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"Protester" Misconduct Catch All Thread

The arrested stormers speak out. And want to be pardoned. Its pure comedy. The guy with the horns is upset he doesn't get organic food in jail.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/16/us-capitol-rioters-donald-trump-pardons

The real comedy lies with the Dems on tv screeching about insurrection, insurgency etc.

So you are saying there wasn't an inserection? How can the storming of the capitol be anything else? Their failure doesn't mean its not real
 
Albert Watkins said his client had no criminal history and was an “active practitioner of yoga”. He also mentioned Chansley’s diet, which has caused him to reject non-organic meals in federal custody.

Vegan, yoga practitioner in fancy dress almost topples US government. Read all about it. 😂
 
The arrested stormers speak out. And want to be pardoned. Its pure comedy. The guy with the horns is upset he doesn't get organic food in jail.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/16/us-capitol-rioters-donald-trump-pardons

The real comedy lies with the Dems on tv screeching about insurrection, insurgency etc.

That's the comedy.

The tragedy is the Republicans instigating anti-American violence and assaulting basic American institutions.
Tom
 
It doesn't have to be state sanction to be objectionable. Why even bring that into it?

Is this really a serious question? Why would you not hold power accountable?

Not holding power accountable does not follow from calling out the vandalism of an official's HOME. It's not contradictory to call out both.

Yes, state powers abusing citizens is way fucking more objectionable than minorities protesting being abused. WTF?

I'm not objecting to protest alone, I am objecting to deplorable acts of violence and noting that THEY DO NOTHING for their alleged cause, in fact they are setbacks to that cause.

I've said this many times, but every time it just floors me that there are people who actually cannot tell the difference between a bully abusing a kid all year and the kid finally fighting back. Literally cannot see a difference. Astounding.

That commissioner is your bully in this scenario? And the mostly young white men who commits these acts are the kids fighting back? "Astounding" does apply.
 
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Albert Watkins said his client had no criminal history and was an “active practitioner of yoga”. He also mentioned Chansley’s diet, which has caused him to reject non-organic meals in federal custody.

Vegan, yoga practitioner in fancy dress almost topples US government. Read all about it. ������

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Wait. There was this little guy once with a funny mustache who wanted to wipe out a whole humungous group of people, and he was a vegetarian? :shrug:
 
Not holding power accountable does not follow from calling out the vandalism of an official's HOME. It's not contradictory to call out both.

Yes, state powers abusing citizens is way fucking more objectionable than minorities protesting being abused. WTF?

I'm not objecting to protest alone, I am objecting to deplorable acts of violence and noting that THEY DO NOTHING for their alleged cause, in fact they are setbacks to that cause.

I've said this many times, but every time it just floors me that there are people who actually cannot tell the difference between a bully abusing a kid all year and the kid finally fighting back. Literally cannot see a difference. Astounding.

That commissioner is your bully in this scenario? And the mostly young white men who commits these acts are the kids fighting back? "Astounding" does apply.

Seconded.

*turns his tail and flees...*
 
The arrested stormers speak out. And want to be pardoned. Its pure comedy. The guy with the horns is upset he doesn't get organic food in jail.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/16/us-capitol-rioters-donald-trump-pardons

The real comedy lies with the Dems on tv screeching about insurrection, insurgency etc.

So you are saying there wasn't an inserection? How can the storming of the capitol be anything else? Their failure doesn't mean its not real

Tswiz is a habitual denier of verifiable reality. He's a global warming truther, a covid truther, and now predictably an insurrection truther.

He probably also thinks Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch was just a harmless night of rowdy drinking.
 
Not holding power accountable does not follow from calling out the vandalism of an official's HOME. It's not contradictory to call out both.

Yes, state powers abusing citizens is way fucking more objectionable than minorities protesting being abused. WTF?

I'm not objecting to protest alone, I am objecting to deplorable acts of violence and noting that THEY DO NOTHING for their alleged cause, in fact they are setbacks to that cause.

I've said this many times, but every time it just floors me that there are people who actually cannot tell the difference between a bully abusing a kid all year and the kid finally fighting back. Literally cannot see a difference. Astounding.

That commissioner is your bully in this scenario? And the mostly young white men who commits these acts are the kids fighting back? "Astounding" does apply.

None of that follows my comments. You asked "why bring that in"? Why bring in the difference between a group that has no state sanctioned power, no army or force of police? Because both sides are not the same. Even if they do have white allies, that doesn't mean they are state sanctioned. Having white allies at your protests doesn't mean the state (president, law enforcement, etc.) suddenly supports and protects you!

Seriously, I have no idea what your objection actually is to me stating the fact that corrupt states abusing citizens is far, far worse, than a minority group fighting back against state powers because of that abuse. You have to really twist things to justify getting defensive when someone points this out.

Both sides are not the same, but maybe you are one of those who feels comfortable in the assumption that you will never be treated unjustly by that "other side."
 
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The arrested stormers speak out. And want to be pardoned. Its pure comedy. The guy with the horns is upset he doesn't get organic food in jail.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/16/us-capitol-rioters-donald-trump-pardons

The real comedy lies with the Dems on tv screeching about insurrection, insurgency etc.

To be precise, the comedy lies in the fact that Republicunts and Trumptards do try an insurrection, had unprecedented support from elements of law enforcement and are still such colossal fuckups their main accomplishment is that they caused more American deaths than Benghazi.
 
More sick comedy: We've been lectured to, for four years now, about how Democrat mayors and governors are allowing a lawless spectacle to be enacted day after day in their towns and states without cracking down on them. Trump's malicious, racist dumbbells actually break in the doors and windows of Congress, beat a policeman to death, and he tells them they're very special and he loves them. How this party of the big lie and the even bigger hypocrisy struts about without losing all of its popular support -- well, that's a measure of America just now.
 
The arrested stormers speak out. And want to be pardoned. Its pure comedy. The guy with the horns is upset he doesn't get organic food in jail.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/16/us-capitol-rioters-donald-trump-pardons

The real comedy lies with the Dems on tv screeching about insurrection, insurgency etc.

To be precise, the comedy lies in the fact that Republicunts and Trumptards do try an insurrection, had unprecedented support from elements of law enforcement and are still such colossal fuckups their main accomplishment is that they caused more American deaths than Benghazi.

These people came within a whisker of toppling a government and destroying democracy!!!11!!11!!!!!!11.
 
To be precise, the comedy lies in the fact that Republicunts and Trumptards do try an insurrection, had unprecedented support from elements of law enforcement and are still such colossal fuckups their main accomplishment is that they caused more American deaths than Benghazi.

These people came within a whisker of toppling a government and destroying democracy!!!11!!11!!!!!!11.

You should be more upset about it than sarcasm.
 
To be precise, the comedy lies in the fact that Republicunts and Trumptards do try an insurrection, had unprecedented support from elements of law enforcement and are still such colossal fuckups their main accomplishment is that they caused more American deaths than Benghazi.

These people came within a whisker of toppling a government and destroying democracy!!!11!!11!!!!!!11.

But this is how all revolutions start. They start as a series of marches and demonstrations, ignoring calls to calm down until one of the marches at a key symbol of power turns violent. The police lose control and after that it all just spirals out of control. Every revolution seemingly comes out of nowhere and when successful it does so in spite of all odds.

Popular unrest can very quickly spiral out of control. Don't you remember the BLM riots and occupied city blocks? Once there's a popular insurrection it is very hard to control. Because there's very little the police can do. If they shoot the rebels it usually leads to the protests gaining in strength. It's a very delicate and hard to manage situation. And in this particular situation the still reigning president is in cahoots with the protesters.

You're foolish to underestimate the danger USA was in. Revolutions don't need a whole country to rise up. It only needs a couple of thousand protesters in the right places. Once it's gone past the point of no return it quickly falls apart.

That said I do think that most Americans think that QAnnon is a joke and would have had a hard time accepting to be ruled by them. But then again it was the same situation in Germany when Hitler took power, or in Italy when Mussolini took power. Mussolini's seizure of power is quite similar to the events on capitol hill. Most Italians ignored the fascists and thought they were nothing but deluded conspiracy theory lunatics.
 
That said I do think that most Americans think that QAnnon is a joke and would have had a hard time accepting to be ruled by them. But then again it was the same situation in Germany when Hitler took power, or in Italy when Mussolini took power. Mussolini's seizure of power is quite similar to the events on capitol hill. Most Italians ignored the fascists and thought they were nothing but deluded conspiracy theory lunatics.

There are a lot of factions, though, not just the Qarens. There's also the Oathkeepers, Three Percenters, Proud Boys, various state militia conservolibertarian groups in the mid-west, north-west, and south-west, and then neo-confederate and outright racist groups from the south, and 80% of Trump supporters believe the election was stolen by Biden. There are a lot of individual Republicans, like veterans, police, or politicians who think it's part of their oath to the constitution to protect against domestic threats and they are told that is the Democrats, i.e. Communist Socialists! Immediately after the insurrection, there was a poll that found 45% of Republicans considered the riots to be justified, but now that their media is telling them it was Antifa, many of them are now not in favor of the insurrection. Obviously, they can quickly change their mind to become violent complicit, though, based on what they are told to think. It's hard to make a direct analogy to Hitler because of all the different factions, all of them together are maybe like the Nazis, and the Qarens are like the secret subset cabal of occultists who were in the Nazi Party.
 
To be precise, the comedy lies in the fact that Republicunts and Trumptards do try an insurrection, had unprecedented support from elements of law enforcement and are still such colossal fuckups their main accomplishment is that they caused more American deaths than Benghazi.

These people came within a whisker of toppling a government and destroying democracy!!!11!!11!!!!!!11.

Being inept doesn't change the intent.
 
To be precise, the comedy lies in the fact that Republicunts and Trumptards do try an insurrection, had unprecedented support from elements of law enforcement and are still such colossal fuckups their main accomplishment is that they caused more American deaths than Benghazi.

These people came within a whisker of toppling a government and destroying democracy!!!11!!11!!!!!!11.

Being inept doesn't change the intent.

Wow. I've been trying to express this concept so succinctly for years: that the intended probabilistic outcome is the arbiter of whether some action is evil, not the result, and that the socially understood probabilistics are the arbiter of whether there ought be explicit laws about the particular act.

If you take some action to overthrow the country and fully expect the action to absolutely lead to the outcome you wish, you have engaged in sedition, even if that act is burning incense in front of a pumpkin carved to Trump's likeness. It makes you a really dumb/idiotic seditionist to do so, but it still makes you one
 
That said I do think that most Americans think that QAnnon is a joke and would have had a hard time accepting to be ruled by them. But then again it was the same situation in Germany when Hitler took power, or in Italy when Mussolini took power. Mussolini's seizure of power is quite similar to the events on capitol hill. Most Italians ignored the fascists and thought they were nothing but deluded conspiracy theory lunatics.

There are a lot of factions, though, not just the Qarens. There's also the Oathkeepers, Three Percenters, Proud Boys, various state militia conservolibertarian groups in the mid-west, north-west, and south-west, and then neo-confederate and outright racist groups from the south, and 80% of Trump supporters believe the election was stolen by Biden. There are a lot of individual Republicans, like veterans, police, or politicians who think it's part of their oath to the constitution to protect against domestic threats and they are told that is the Democrats, i.e. Communist Socialists! Immediately after the insurrection, there was a poll that found 45% of Republicans considered the riots to be justified, but now that their media is telling them it was Antifa, many of them are now not in favor of the insurrection. Obviously, they can quickly change their mind to become violent complicit, though, based on what they are told to think. It's hard to make a direct analogy to Hitler because of all the different factions, all of them together are maybe like the Nazis, and the Qarens are like the secret subset cabal of occultists who were in the Nazi Party.

It's been the same situation in any revolution ever. The opposition who topples a government is always fractured. After a revolution has succeeded in removing the current government things happen quickly and groups can come in from the side lines and take over completely. A good example is the Russian revolution. The Bolsheviks were an irrelevant extremist fringe group. The Mensheviks made a sensible but impopular play in the Duma, and the Bolsheviks exploited that and took over.

The French revolution was started by middle-class moderates. But due to a stupidly weighted voting system in the new parliament, the Jacobins took over, and extremist group on the left. Syrian revolution. Started by Middle-class moderates. Islamists took over. Exact same deal in the Arab spring in Egypt.

Nah, history is not on your side here.
 
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