Protests against Trump in all 50 states

[pood]

I've read that violent protests almost never work but large protests that are non violent and well organized sometimes work.

The people who wrote that were shitting themselves in fear of the power of the people.

Protests of any kind rarely work (if by "work" we mean "lead to significant change"); Those that do work are, more often than not, violent - peaceful protests are more likely to lead to changes that are cosmetic at best, if they lead to any change at all.

Most violent protests start out peaceful; The authorities bring the violence, in opposition to the protest.

Of course, once a violent protest has "worked", we no longer call it a protest - it is a "revolt" or a "revolution" or a "civil war" or an "independence campaign", or a "coup d'etat". That tends to play into the hands of the propagandists who write stuff like what you have read.

I agree that protests rarely bring a lot of change. But, I did read a good bit about the history of them in the US and the non violent ones like the Civil Rights Movement protests were more effective than most. Most of the anti war protests of my youth were non violent and they did influence some changes, based on my experiences. They only became violent on some occasions. The ones I marched in were all peaceful.

For that matter, I participated in a protest when I was attending a liberal arts college demanding that class attendance be optional. It was totally non violent and we won. Again, that was in the 60s when protests were extremely common.

The purpose of the thread is to see, how large and frequent they will be and if they will have any influence on Congress. I'm not expecting them to influence our psychopathic president, but there are already a few Republicans in Congress who seem a bit shaken up by what's going on in the country and if enough people protest etc. it might work. We have very few options to use. I'm not expecting a revolution at this point, just a lot of very angry citizens who are willing to speak their minds.

The Protests today were just a start. We are living in times unheard of since my youth and this is one thing people can do to try and influence their reps.

Peaceful protests absolutely worked with the civil rights movement. The Freedom Riders of the early 60s embarrassed JFK, who wanted them to stop. He didn’t give a shit about civil rights, only about American “prestige,” and thought the Negros, as he and others at the time called him, were eroding said “prestige.” But the protests accelerated, and eventually flipped the script. Kennedy proposed the Civil Rights Act in a nationally televised address in June 1963, and in August of that year when Martin Luther King Jr. gave his “I have a dream speech” before a huge multi-racial crowed of demonstrators, JFK welcomed King and others to the White House. Johnson pushed through the act the next year.

 

[TSwizzle]

You’ll get your chance to protest in the midterms and 2028.

 

[ideologyhunter]

You mean, there's no room for "legitimate political discourse"????????

 

[Patooka]

You’ll get your chance to protest in the midterms and 2028.

Is this your way of saying tit for tat RE J6? Are you and the rest of your obnoxious cult fine with what your Dear Leader views as "legitimate political discourse?

If not, then behave yourself and know your place, son. Stop being a dick.

 

[Elixir]

Protests against a despot who cares only about himself, are futile.
Ask a N Korean protester if you can find one alive.

 

[Axulus]

Looking at hundreds of campaigns over the last century, Chenoweth found that nonviolent campaigns are twice as likely to achieve their goals as violent campaigns. And although the exact dynamics will depend on many factors, she has shown it takes around 3.5% of the population actively participating in the protests to ensure serious political change.

The '3.5% rule': How a small minority can change the world

Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts – and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change.

www.bbc.com

 

[Swammerdami]

there are already mouth noises coming from some GOP members worried about the recent tariffs,

YEs....the brave GOP Congressmen who lower their eyes and glance furtively....looking for for anyone from the EO who might tell Trump that they were saying bad things about his policies. They should be speaking out LOUDLY. But they don't.

Recall that "Darth Vader" and his daughter were the ONLY Republicans of high prominence who endorsed Kamala Harris. (Ex-Representative Adam Kinzinger and ex-Governor Jim Edgar but, out of office, they hardly meet the bar of "high prominence.")
* Senator Mitt Romney? -- He did NOT endorse Kamala Harris.
* ex-Governor John Kasich? -- He said he wasn't voting for Trump, but did NOT endorse Kamala Harris.
* ex-President George W. Bush? -- He did NOT endorse Kamala Harris. (His mother Barbara DID!)

I am absolutely disgusted with the shame -- which I hope is their only legacy -- of EVERY top Republican except the Cheneys.

Was there even a single sitting Republican Representatives who endorsed Harris? (Cheney lost her primary in 2022; Kinzinger withdrew the same year.)

 

[bilby]

Peaceful protests absolutely worked with the civil rights movement. The Freedom Riders of the early 60s embarrassed JFK, who wanted them to stop.

The whole schtick of the MAGA movement is founded in the inability to feel embarrasment or shame.

 

[laughing dog]

In a democracy, large and persistent protests do send a message to attentive or vunerable politicians.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Peaceful protests absolutely worked with the civil rights movement. The Freedom Riders of the early 60s embarrassed JFK, who wanted them to stop.

The whole schtick of the MAGA movement is founded in the inability to feel embarrasment or shame.

Hence the fetish for what America was in the 1950s (basically a caste society) and a horror of teaching any "controversial topics" to America's youth. About 52% of voters aged 60 to 80 vote Republican, which makes them old enough to have a personal, living memory of the Jim Crow Era. But let's all pretend that never happened. They apparently want the generations going forward to have no understanding of our past (except as narrated by the right wing....slaves were undocumented aliens who got job skills from their...employers. Yeah, let's go with that.)

 

[unapologetic]

That tends to play into the hands of the propagandists who write stuff like what you have read.

The histories are written by the victors.

You’ll get your chance to protest in the midterms and 2028.

What, protest votes? If Rump has his way, there will be NO elections.
Fuck that, PROTEST NOW, while we still can.

 

[unapologetic]

Once is not enough.
We need protests every weekend. Or at least every month.
Don't let them think we will go away. Remind them often.
Don't let them think we are just asking. Demand Rump be impeached, and FIRED.

 

[crazyfingers]

In times like this a sense of humor helps. This is a sign at the rally in Kansas City today. Fans of Mary Poppins may like it

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I've got a car magnet of that. I put it on and take it off depending on where I'm going.

 

[TSwizzle]

What, protest votes? If Rump has his way, there will be NO elections.
Fuck that, PROTEST NOW, while we still can.

lol, the Democrats are experiencing their lowest ever approval rating and until that is fixed they will spend years in the wilderness. So you can stamp your little feet and cry all you like but it won't change a darned thing.

 

[unapologetic]

Repug approval rating is dropping fast.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I've read that violent protests almost never work but large protests that are non violent and well organized sometimes work.

The people who wrote that were shitting themselves in fear of the power of the people.

Protests of any kind rarely work (if by "work" we mean "lead to significant change"); Those that do work are, more often than not, violent - peaceful protests are more likely to lead to changes that are cosmetic at best, if they lead to any change at all.

We saw it in Eastern Europe. When everyone's protesting things don't get done.

But the key factor is that there aren't enough loyalists. We still have tons of MAGAs, protests won't work.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Protests against a despot who cares only about himself, are futile.
Ask a N Korean protester if you can find one alive.

Yes. This talk of influencing a POTUS and the other voted-in riffraff via public protests is now a quaint idea. I guess no one else recalls all the large protests and riots in Trump's first term. It didn't change a damn thing then, and it won't change anything now.

As you said, protests are only effective if POTUS cares about the country. Not only does Trump not give the slightest shit about the country, he has SCOTUS to back him up on whatever he feels like doing.

Gas and gun down protesters?

Sure, because Trump can make any decision he wants as long as he calls it an "official act."

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Repug approval rating is dropping fast.

Not as fast nor nearly as far as the inept Dems have.

It's early, but from what I've been able to glean, Democratic leadership is doubling down on what lost them this past election.

I am not rooting for the Dems to fail; quite the contrary, but at this time I just don't see it. There are millions of people who, like me, simply don't feel that the Dems represent them anymore. To a significant degree, I believe that leadership holds too many voters in open contempt.

Trump wouldn't piss on his supporters if they were on fire, but he doesn't say that. He's convinced them that he understands them.

Meanwhile, far leftist idealogues have latched onto the party and are getting its full support. Therefore, I won't cast another vote nor give another dime to them until they right the ship by coming up with a way to counter the Trump*/GOP.

It sucks because I have no one to vote for. There are no legitimate third parties in the U.S.

*HOW THE FUCK DID THEY LOSE TO THIS ROTTEN, REEKING, ORANGE PIECE OF SHIT??? You want a bottom line answer to why Democratic leadership is so fucking awful?

Look no further.

 

[unapologetic]

I won't cast another vote nor give another dime to them until they right the ship by coming up with a way to counter the Trump*/GOP.

That is fucking lazy and shortsighted. Expecting someone else to do all the work.
You need to do your part too.
VOTE. At least vote AGAINST GOP candidates.
RUN for some office. Either party.
Run as a Democrat to get the Repugs out of office.
Run as a Republican to change them from within. And away from the MAGAots.
Or help start a new party.
If several new parties pop up in the next few years, The main parties will know they gotta change.

 

[bilby]

If several new parties pop up in the next few years, The main parties will know they gotta change can safely ignore them, as usual.

FTFY.

It's a two party system. ONE new party, with a wide base of support, might, just might, threaten to replace one of the two entrenched parties. It's unlikely, but just about possible.

Several new parties have zero chance. They will split what meagre third-party support exists, and none will come close to challenging either of the two incumbents.

The most plausible path to an effective opposition to the MAGA GOP is for the Democratic Party to be taken over from inside by an effective opposition group replacing both the leadership and the policy platform.

The Tea Party didn't waste their efforts trying to compete with the Republican Party; They just got inside and consumed it from within, like an ichneumon wasp larva.