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Putin Bombs Biden-Owned Villa in Ukraine while Hammering Biolabs and Pedophile Rings

I'd like to know why he thinks they are really labs at all.

Barbos almost never tries to document his claims, but I've seen a pattern where he spouts some wild claim, seemingly out of nowhere, that happens to be a fairly current propaganda meme in the Russian media. So I've been successful at searching RT, Sputnik, etc., for some of these claims and finding a source. This one seems to have arisen on March 6 from the Russian Defense Ministry. (Those guys can't run a war against an outgunned, undermanned enemy, but they can get very innovative and creative with internet memes.) This one is so recent that it is reported on in the Western media, because it is the latest excuse that attempts to justify their unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.

See this Newsweek story: U.S. Biological Weapons in Ukraine—Separating the Facts From the Fiction

The claim was made by Major General Igor Konashenkov and widely reported in Russian media. Konashenkov alleged that pathogens for deadly diseases such as the plague, anthrax and cholera were being created to be used for biological warfare in Ukrainian laboratories funded by the U.S. Department of Defense.

"Obviously, with the start of a special military operation, the Pentagon had serious concerns about disclosing the conduct of secret biological experiments on the territory of Ukraine," Konashenkov said, as reported by the Russian news agency TASS.

Why would the US even attempt to manufacture biological weapons in Ukraine? They could be manufactured anywhere and simply given to the Ukrainians, if the US behaved the same way Russia does with biological and chemical weapons development. Why develop such weapons inside of Ukraine, except to invite an invasion from Russia? It's easy to see why the Russian Defense Ministry would put out such nonsense. There are a lot of people in Russia who will naively believe just about anything that the government tells them. Barbos may, or may not, buy it, but it is useful as a kind of defense of his indefensible stand here on the Ukraine invasion.
 
Why would the US even attempt to manufacture biological weapons in Ukraine? They could be manufactured anywhere and simply given to the Ukrainians, if the US behaved the same way Russia does with biological and chemical weapons development. Why develop such weapons inside of Ukraine, except to invite an invasion from Russia? It's easy to see why the Russian Defense Ministry would put out such nonsense. There are a lot of people in Russia who will naively believe just about anything that the government tells them. Barbos may, or may not, buy it, but it is useful as a kind of defense of his indefensible stand here on the Ukraine invasion.

This story is starting to take off in Russianpublican channels now with the help of one of Tucker Carlson's most recent shows, published on the web 09 March.

It's kind of fascinating to read how he speaks, it's full of conspiracy and jumping to conclusions. He often asks himself a question and then provides an answer with supporting evidence that doesn't really support exactly what he's saying and then moves on to the next thing. Here's a fictitious example I've created to illustrate how he does this:

Well, if you started talking to me about Democrat pedophile rings operating out of basements of pizza shops, I'd think you were crazy. I mean I'd think you belonged in a padded room with some of these pro-mask TDS liberals. But really, are there any Democrat pedophiles? Yes, there are. Remember Anthony Weiner? And remember how Hillary Clinton helped to cover it up? So why are Democrats covering up their own pedophilia? Someone needs to explain this.
 
Biden can afford it, plus it is a tax write off.
 
Biden can afford it, plus it is a tax write off.

Well hell! Can I say I had a villa in Ukraine that was bombed to smithereens and claim a seven figure loss? What kind of documentation will the IRS accept on that?
 
Biden can afford it, plus it is a tax write off.

Well hell! Can I say I had a villa in Ukraine that was bombed to smithereens and claim a seven figure loss? What kind of documentation will the IRS accept on that?
Just tell them all the documentation was destroyed in the attack. That should work.
 
Come on, I am being serious. I really don't know, I want to know, why US having all these labs in all these weird places like Armenia/Kazakshtan/Ukraine/Uzbekistan.
Why can't you have it in US?
I am not asking why you had NATO base, in Ukraine, because I know why - becasue you wanted Ukraine in NATO. Why these labs?
Tell you what. I'll ask the US in the next Global Imperialist Conspiracy Cabal Against Peaceful Loving People of Russia meeting. But the smart money says Nazis.
Well, no thanks to you but according to published document it seems these labs were pretty much doing the same thing they were doing in China.
I don't understand why Pentagon should even be involved in this stuff. No need for secrecy.
 
Sure hope Pootey doesn’t “hit” one of those “labs” with one of his “special operation” missiles.
But I hoped he wasn’t going to invade Ukraine too.
Looks pretty certain that Pootey’s Ukraine Nazis are going to cause a Nazi missile to land on a Nazi lab and kill a lot of Ukrainian Nazis, doesn’t it?
Why do all these accidents happen whenever Pootey starts with his war crimes again?
 
Well, no thanks to you but according to published document it seems these labs were pretty much doing the same thing they were doing in China.
I don't understand why Pentagon should even be involved in this stuff. No need for secrecy.
It appears that Ukraine does have bio labs, but these are not really a secret. Every developed country has them. Their purpose is to conduct research on threats to public health and explore threats from pathogens, not develop biological weapons. However, they do provide something that the Russian disinformation machine can leverage as a partial truth--just enough there to stir up paranoid rumors without any evidence to justify them. The problem is that these labs do pose a danger, because they contain stores of very dangerous pathogens that can escape into the environment, if the lab is attacked in a war. So they pose a similar danger to that of nuclear facilities. WHO had asked the labs in Ukraine to destroy their stocks of pathogens rather than run the risk of contamination caused by a military strike.

Exclusive: WHO says it advised Ukraine to destroy pathogens in health labs to prevent disease spread

 
Why would the US even attempt to manufacture biological weapons in Ukraine? They could be manufactured anywhere and simply given to the Ukrainians, if the US behaved the same way Russia does with biological and chemical weapons development. Why develop such weapons inside of Ukraine, except to invite an invasion from Russia? It's easy to see why the Russian Defense Ministry would put out such nonsense. There are a lot of people in Russia who will naively believe just about anything that the government tells them. Barbos may, or may not, buy it, but it is useful as a kind of defense of his indefensible stand here on the Ukraine invasion.

This story is starting to take off in Russianpublican channels now with the help of one of Tucker Carlson's most recent shows, published on the web 09 March.

It's kind of fascinating to read how he speaks, it's full of conspiracy and jumping to conclusions. He often asks himself a question and then provides an answer with supporting evidence that doesn't really support exactly what he's saying and then moves on to the next thing. Here's a fictitious example I've created to illustrate how he does this:

Well, if you started talking to me about Democrat pedophile rings operating out of basements of pizza shops, I'd think you were crazy. I mean I'd think you belonged in a padded room with some of these pro-mask TDS liberals. But really, are there any Democrat pedophiles? Yes, there are. Remember Anthony Weiner? And remember how Hillary Clinton helped to cover it up? So why are Democrats covering up their own pedophilia? Someone needs to explain this.


I know it must seem crazy I am responding to myself...but it's for anyone who wants to read more on this propagandized issue of labs. The Russianpublican story still has legs and so a slightly deeper dive is warranted. Here's a particularly tricky paragraph from Tucker Carlson's disinformation:
Carlson said:
Oh, OK. Then the National Pulse dug up 2011 report from the U.S. National Academy of Sciences that also explained that the Odessa based laboratory "is responsible for the identification of especially dangerous biological pathogens." So, what we're doing—this is not the first time you've heard this story—we are funding the creation of deadly pathogens so we can study them and prevent people from getting infected with them. Maybe? There are lots of examples of this. The U.S. Embassy in Ukraine has a handy web page explaining that American and Ukrainian scientists have worked on a whole bunch of different experiments like this.

(1) There are certain things to emphasize here. First, "2011" is the year. The Tucker Carlson narrative contains a number of other years as well, all within Obama's administration. Collaboration, i.e. research grants or sending some funding to work on a project or whatever, actually started in 2005 from the DoD, meaning it was under George W Bush. This was back when we were still worried about anthrax and Russia had been known to have big accidents with it and also have a weapons program for it. While I am sure that anthrax was not the only thing on the minds of the DoD, the work began and continued most likely out of fear of terrorism and bio-weapons programs.
(2) Next thing, "Odessa based laboratory..." Recall that the Russian propaganda is saying these are US labs inside Ukraine. Realize instead that these are Ukrainian labs. It is normal for labs to have collaboration projects with other entities. All labs do this. Given the proximity of Ukraine to Russia and the dangers of possible attacks, accidents or whatever else, it makes sense to come up with strategies to mitigate those problems or to quickly identify them when they do occur.
(3) Which brings me to the next nuance here, "identification." The actual quote that Carlson is using doesn't say anything about the dreaded China research he alludes to. It says "identification of ...pathogens." Here is a kind of minimal example of that: every single one of thousands of labs across the US that can identify covid qualify as a lab responsible for the identification of especially dangerous biological pathogens. While I am sure the lab in Odessa was in fact doing other things than identification, the actual quote is taking a giant leap into something entirely different, 5 levels beyond this. While this is like the example I have above about how Carlson could start talking about Democrat pedophile pizza restaurant basements, try considering what these different levels could be. The quote references mere identification of dangerous pathogens. Next there's a leap a couple of levels more by alluding to gain of function research. Then, that allusion is used to confirm Russian propaganda, but the Russian propaganda didn't say gain of function research--it was even another level beyond that--into bio-weapons.

That last sentence probably belongs with the next paragraph regarding conspiracy stuff:
Carlson said:
...The U.S. Embassy in Ukraine has a handy web page explaining that American and Ukrainian scientists have worked on a whole bunch of different experiments like this.
Some of the projects include work on African swine fever virus, hemorrhagic fever virus, and various respiratory viruses. The interesting thing, the telling thing, is that the U.S. Embassy's website also contains links to fact sheets about America's support for biological research in Ukraine, but all those links are now dead. That's weird. It's our government. We pay for it. Again, they're there in our name, in the name of American citizens, but we can no longer read their web page. How does that work, exactly? They have no right to lie to us.

It is hard to track down exactly what Carlson is ranting about. I went to the wayback machine to try to find the fact sheets of interest and didn't see them in the archive. In any case, let me try to address two points where I have added emphasis.
(4) When a person hears "African swine fever virus," and put it into the context of Russian propaganda that means weaponizing the virus. Carlson in context is probably talking about gain of function research with the implication that it is reckless and somehow substantiates Russian propaganda about bioweapons. Recall these are different levels of thing. Additionally when a person hears "African swine fever," they may be thinking of something remote to Africa with high risk and no relationship to Ukrainian history. However, the fact is that this swine fever is a thing that has outbreaks in European countries' farms, much like we have E coli outbreaks in the US and need to do mass recalls of lettuce or whatever. Back in 2012, there was an outbreak in Ukraine of swine fever on a small farm and there has been detection in wild boars in subsequent years. Having a lab in Ukraine that can identify (remember identification is a different level) this particular swine fever is good for Ukraine and they would want to also integrate this identification process into biosecurity and it would help their economy because then their meat products would become very trustworthy. If they were doing some kind of gain of function work (haven't seen the evidence), in theory it would be in this context, though again it is unknown what Carlson is ranting about and it doesn't overall confirm the Russian narrative of US labs creating bio-weapons.
(5) "but all those links are now dead." Welcome to the Internets! Links go dead. It's normal. Things get archived. It's also possible that someone decided to hide the info from the Russian invasion forces so they'd have no easily accessible info about pathogens in labs. You'd expect former KGB agents to know there's a wayback machine and to already have info on the labs in files anyway and have targets, so one would think that unlikely. All I can say is that in visiting the US embassy website for Ukraine, there's a page with fact sheets and it changes constantly according to the date of the web page version accessed in the archive. They seem to only put recent things there. That's completely normal. It would have been better for Carlson to give more info someone could substantiate, but it doesn't seem worth the energy to look further for now.
 
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Still not sure what Carlson was discussing in regard to alluding to gain of function research...but I tried googling "hemorrhagic fever virus ukraine" and one of the first links resulted in this study.

Here are two paragraphs where you can see there are arms of the DoD that might want to fund research for defense reasons, i.e. if countries are committed to surveillance of their populations and identification of dangerous pathogens, then it decreases odds of global pandemics and other problems that could hurt the US.

Abstract:
In Ukraine, a retrospective review of clinical case reports by public health officials suggest that human cases of febrile illnesses associated with hemorrhage may be due to infections of Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever virus (CCHFV) and Old World hantaviruses. In a serosurvey of 966 healthy individuals in the Lviv Oblast, Ukraine, bordering Poland, we found that 1.6% showed cross-reactivity to hantaviral antigens by an immunofluorescence assay (IFA) and 1.7% of the study participants had antibodies cross-reactive to CCHFV by enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA). Demographic variables and history of exposures obtained through questionnaires were assessed by logistic regression models for association with seroprevalence for both viruses with no significant risk factors found. Analysis of spatial distribution identified two clusters of samples positive for antibodies to both hantaviruses and CCHFV, which, however, were not statistically significant (p > 0.05). In general, the study results suggest that the population of the study area is exposed to hantaviruses and CCHFV. Further surveillance for respective pathogens in Ukraine is warranted and prospective surveillance of febrile patients with unidentified febrile illness.

...

Collection of Human Sera Samples and Demographics​

The study was conducted according to the approved master protocol and in compliance with the regulatory requirements applicable to Ukraine and under all applicable Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulations, International Conference on Harmonization (ICH) guidelines, and the US Department of Defense (DoD) requirements. The US Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) Human Research Oversight Board (HROB) reviewed and approved this research study, which was conducted in compliance with U.S. Army Regulation AR 70-25. The protocol, informed consent document, and US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) Institutional Review Board (IRB) approval complied with 32 CFR 219, DoD 3216.2, DTRA Directive 3216.01, and DTRA Instruction 3216.02. The tracking and study numbers were, CT-2009-07-Other and FY 08-32, respectively. ...
 
So do you agree with Putin about Biden's villa?
I agree with snopes. Web site is a joke.
So do you agree with Putin about these labs?

Putin did not say anything about these labs. Someone noticed that US government removed info about these labs from their website. That's all I saw.

why this thread about obviously joke website?
It’s the comments section to the site that are interesting. People are actually believing it. That’s what’s insane.
You believe a lot of insane stuff too.
I believe Russian is getting their asses kicked in Ukraine. They are dying and they are not finding this easy like they thought they would. Ukrainians are giving them hell. Your army is incompetent. A decent attack would have captured Kiev in less than a week.
no-not kicked, just slapped. SPutim is going to invade and occupy Ukraine; but the occupation will probably be very difficult.
Also, Ass-kicking is less effective/ efficient on a "manly" entity than crotch kicking.
 
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Well, no thanks to you but according to published document it seems these labs were pretty much doing the same thing they were doing in China.
I don't understand why Pentagon should even be involved in this stuff. No need for secrecy.
Labs tend to study local diseases.

Looking at Wikipedia I find a seriously incomplete list of level 3 labs, but what little is on it suggests at least 1 per 2 million people in the US--thus we probably have upwards of 100 such labs. The list of level 4 labs seems more complete--and it shows 10 in the US. Looking around the war zone I find a total of three level 4 labs--one in Belarus and two in Russia. Zero in Ukraine. And you're the guys that seriously fucked up containment at a lab to the tune of 66+ civilians dead.

We tend to help labs around the world as a way of keeping an eye on what might be going to go Oh, Shit!
 
Still not sure what Carlson was discussing in regard to alluding to gain of function research...but I tried googling "hemorrhagic fever virus ukraine" and one of the first links resulted in this study.

Here are two paragraphs where you can see there are arms of the DoD that might want to fund research for defense reasons, i.e. if countries are committed to surveillance of their populations and identification of dangerous pathogens, then it decreases odds of global pandemics and other problems that could hurt the US.
And note that this is just antibody testing, no dangerous agents involved.
 
Well, no thanks to you but according to published document it seems these labs were pretty much doing the same thing they were doing in China.
I don't understand why Pentagon should even be involved in this stuff. No need for secrecy.
Labs tend to study local diseases.

Looking at Wikipedia I find a seriously incomplete list of level 3 labs, but what little is on it suggests at least 1 per 2 million people in the US--thus we probably have upwards of 100 such labs. The list of level 4 labs seems more complete--and it shows 10 in the US. Looking around the war zone I find a total of three level 4 labs--one in Belarus and two in Russia. Zero in Ukraine. And you're the guys that seriously fucked up containment at a lab to the tune of 66+ civilians dead.

We tend to help labs around the world as a way of keeping an eye on what might be going to go Oh, Shit!
I agree, this propaganda noise about these labs was unnecessary.
But there is a war going on. Your propaganda lies to your citizens. Russian lies to russian citizens.
 
Still not sure what Carlson was discussing in regard to alluding to gain of function research...but I tried googling "hemorrhagic fever virus ukraine" and one of the first links resulted in this study.

Here are two paragraphs where you can see there are arms of the DoD that might want to fund research for defense reasons, i.e. if countries are committed to surveillance of their populations and identification of dangerous pathogens, then it decreases odds of global pandemics and other problems that could hurt the US.
And note that this is just antibody testing, no dangerous agents involved.
Right, this in that case, it's part of what earlier was quoted as "identification," but Carlson jumped to gain of function and used that next level to try to confirm another level beyond that--bioweapons:
identification << gain of function << bio-weapons.

There's quite a bit more to this story recently which ought to be stated. It turns out that Carlson keeps parroting and confirming Russian propaganda. And now the Russians are using clips of Carlson doing this in their own internal propaganda aimed at Russian citizens to essentially say, "see look? Even American newsman knows."

Leaked Kremlin Memo to Russian Media: It Is “Essential” to Feature Tucker Carlson


On March 3, as Russian military forces bombed Ukrainian cities as part of Vladimir Putin’s illegal invasion of his neighbor, the Kremlin sent out talking points to state-friendly media outlets with a request: Use more Tucker Carlson.

“It is essential to use as much as possible fragments of broadcasts of the popular Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who sharply criticizes the actions of the United States [and] NATO, their negative role in unleashing the conflict in Ukraine, [and] the defiantly provocative behavior from the leadership of the Western countries and NATO towards the Russian Federation and towards President Putin, personally,” advises the 12-page document written in Russian. It sums up Carlson’s position: “Russia is only protecting its interests and security.” The memo includes a quote from Carlson: “And how would the US behave if such a situation developed in neighboring Mexico or Canada?”

The document—titled “For Media and Commentators (recommendations for coverage of events as of 03.03)”—was produced, according to its metadata, at a Russian government agency called the Department of Information and Telecommunications Support...

...

On Wednesday, Carlson claimed that the “Russian disinformation they’ve been telling us for days is a lie and a conspiracy theory and crazy and immoral to believe is, in fact, totally and completely true.” ...

A March 10 “recommendations for coverage” memo from the same Russian agency highlights this bioweapons allegation as a top talking point for Russian media, noting the message should be that the “activities of military biological laboratories with American participation on the territory of Ukraine carried global threats to Russia and Europe.” The document goes further, encouraging its recipients to allege that the “the United States is working on a ‘biogenocide of the Eastern Slavs.'”

The memo lays out the details of this bizarre conspiracy theory: The United States was conducting “experiments with genetic material collected on the territory of Ukraine,” with the “main objective” being “to create unique strains of various kinds of viruses for targeted destruction of the population in Russia.” The United States even had a plan to transmit pathogens “by wild birds migrating between Ukraine, Russia and other neighboring countries.” This scheme included “studying the possibility of carrying African swine fever and anthrax.” The memo claims “biolaboratories set up and funded in Ukraine have been experimenting with bat coronavirus samples.” It cites Nuland’s testimony and says the United States was involved with “military biological laboratories” in Ukraine that “potentially posed a global threat to all of Europe.”
 
Well, no thanks to you but according to published document it seems these labs were pretty much doing the same thing they were doing in China.
I don't understand why Pentagon should even be involved in this stuff. No need for secrecy.
Labs tend to study local diseases.

Looking at Wikipedia I find a seriously incomplete list of level 3 labs, but what little is on it suggests at least 1 per 2 million people in the US--thus we probably have upwards of 100 such labs. The list of level 4 labs seems more complete--and it shows 10 in the US. Looking around the war zone I find a total of three level 4 labs--one in Belarus and two in Russia. Zero in Ukraine. And you're the guys that seriously fucked up containment at a lab to the tune of 66+ civilians dead.

We tend to help labs around the world as a way of keeping an eye on what might be going to go Oh, Shit!
I agree, this propaganda noise about these labs was unnecessary.
But there is a war going on. Your propaganda lies to your citizens. Russian lies to russian citizens.
Our media is not controlled by the state. Yours is entirely now state controlled. We can get and read foreign papers like BBC, Der Spiegel, as well as critical press like Fox News. Heck, I’ve even looked at Pravda’s articles.
 
Right, this in that case, it's part of what earlier was quoted as "identification," but Carlson jumped to gain of function and used that next level to try to confirm another level beyond that--bioweapons:
identification << gain of function << bio-weapons.

There's quite a bit more to this story recently which ought to be stated. It turns out that Carlson keeps parroting and confirming Russian propaganda. And now the Russians are using clips of Carlson doing this in their own internal propaganda aimed at Russian citizens to essentially say, "see look? Even American newsman knows."

Leaked Kremlin Memo to Russian Media: It Is “Essential” to Feature Tucker Carlson


I saw this story today, and I debated with myself whether to post it here. So I'm glad that you did. My only hesitation was that it is anonymously sourced, which means that it could simply be a plant from anywhere at all. Mother Jones is a known source for liberal memes, so that would be a good place to plant a story like this. The MJ article even has screen shots of the alleged Russian memo, but any reasonably competent government spy agency could have constructed it.

That said, it is no surprise that such a memo might exist, since Tucker Carlson has already been featured all over Russian officially sanctioned media. He is their poster boy for journalistic genius in the US, and he knows it. I doubt that Russia is paying the guy directly to put out this pro-Kremlin claptrap, but they might as well be. The more people talk about Tucker Carlson, the more his ratings go up. He is a super money-maker for Fox News now, so his job is very secure. He just has to keep the outrage going in the liberal-progressive blogosphere.
 
Why don’t you ask this Russian General how it’s going?
Don't need to, to It's going as I expected. I did not expect it to be as perfect as western campaigns.
I’m curious. We hear that Russia has blocked western news sources in Russia. I’m not sure exactly how that works. Obviously he hasn’t blocked IIDB. Alternatively you might be an exception if you work for the government security forces in some capacities. If so, here’s a link to several articles about your failures:





There are many other articles. But if you cant access them, I can cut and paste them for you. you don’t have to agree. You may fear being monitored. But if you are so inclined you can share them with others.

In the end, You can stick your head in the sand all you want. This is not going well for your forces. They should’ve taken Kiev and Odessa in three or four days. Instead they are stalled with reports of basically desertion by Russian forces of their vehicles. They didn’t expect this kind of resistance. They’ve been used to fighting in Aleppo against a relatively small insurgency and with support of the host nation. Instead, millions of ordinary Ukrainians are taking up arms and will fight your forces heavily. I thought for sure Putin was bluffing because he didn’t have enough troops. Now I see he’s just an idiot as are all the commanders.
You are judging Russian campaign through experience of your campaigns.
In particular, Russians choose not to bomb civilian airports and infrastructure in general. And Ukrainians moved all their remaining planes to civilian airports after russians destroyed military runways. And they fly it very low now which prevents long range radar detection.
Also Russian are not trying to storm cities, because that's going to look very bad no matter who does that.

It's not going as bad as Pentagon/Media says. You just need to be more critical to propaganda you being fed.

Russia is in fact shelling and bombing civilians in Ukraine. Ukrainians are posting numerous videos of the damage on Youtube. Meanwhile, in retaliation, the Ukrainian special forces have vowed if they take any Russian artillery batteries, they will summarily execute all personal, taking no prisoners.

Russian shelling is meant to cow Ukrainians into stopping their resistance. It is not working.
 
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