Elixir
Made in America
Are you black?your pro slaving nonsense
Best be checking people’s posting histories before you start cramming them into your pre-fab pigeonholes, calling them racist and whatnot.
Are you black?your pro slaving nonsense
I did not mean to disagree with your point. The fucking Confederacy certainly deserves no credit for Southern and Caribbean cuisine, which flourished in blended, not segregated, communities.I'm fine with embracing and honor cultural fusions, but it's also important to address historical elements that don't deserve celebration. Specifically, the Confederacy that represents a painful and divisive chapter in American history, rooted in the defense of slavery and racial oppression. Instead of celebrating it, we should critically examine and learn from it, ensuring that we do not glorify a past that sought to divide and subjugate.The truth is that both are examples of the benefits of cultural fusion, arising from communities where indigenous and immigrant communities were living side by side for decades. There's a little bit of Anahuac/Turtle Island, a little bit of Europe, and a little bit of West Africa in every marinade. We would be better off if we could learn to respect and celebrate that plurality instead of hiding it.Southern "culture", while subscribing to an ideology that justified slavery, goes beyond that, bring us priceless benefits like cornbread and barbeque.
I wager that both cornbread and barbecue originated from Native Americans who were tragically genocided. Southern culture does not solely belong to ignorant individuals stuck in a 19th-century time capsule.
They're using the guise of historical significance to justify their statues, much like they used the Bible to justify the slavery upon which their statues were built.
That’s more than understandable.Sorry, I got caught up in my emotions about the topic. I wasn't trying to accuse anyone of holding any particular position. I just wanted to share my perspective.
Woah. I had no idea you were pro slaving. Dang, that's rough, man. I got called a white supremecist here. Two peas in a pod. I wonder if we'll get ostracized from this forum.Are you black?your pro slaving nonsense
Best be checking people’s posting histories before you start cramming them into your pre-fab pigeonholes, calling them racist and whatnot.
More than fair. What you're being asked to accept is qrotesque.Sorry, I got caught up in my emotions about the topic. I wasn't trying to accuse anyone of holding any particular position. I just wanted to share my perspective.
You have slaves too??Woah. I had no idea you were pro slaving. Dang, that's rough, man. I got called a white supremecist here. Two peas in a pod. I wonder if we'll get ostracized from this forum.Are you black?your pro slaving nonsense
Best be checking people’s posting histories before you start cramming them into your pre-fab pigeonholes, calling them racist and whatnot.![]()
You seemed sorta accepting of the idea of putting them in a museum earlier this morning in post #28, and now you seem not in favor of it, just a few hours later. I'm not sure what happened between then and now. Or did I miss something?Be careful what you wish for!they are more than welcome to build their own cotton picking museums.
I didn't wish for a damn thing. Starting your own business is a significant part of American culture. Entrepreneurship has long been celebrated as a key aspect of the American Dream, giving importance to the values of individualism, innovation, and economic opportunity. I presume the reason why such a place doesn't already exist is because there isn't a market for it.
Nah...they all ran away. Ya turn your back for a second and whooooosh....You have slaves too??Woah. I had no idea you were pro slaving. Dang, that's rough, man. I got called a white supremecist here. Two peas in a pod. I wonder if we'll get ostracized from this forum.Are you black?your pro slaving nonsense
Best be checking people’s posting histories before you start cramming them into your pre-fab pigeonholes, calling them racist and whatnot.![]()
Actually people here treat me pretty good in general. ‘Specially considering that they’re all commie lib’ruls taking shit from a pro-slaver. They’re runnin’ down us hardworking skeet shootin’ “pro slavers”.
Fortunately we gots some people defending me, pointiing out how both sides are the same.![]()
Why I don’t have Huskies!Nah...they all ran away. Ya turn your back for a second and whooooosh....You have slaves too??Woah. I had no idea you were pro slaving. Dang, that's rough, man. I got called a white supremecist here. Two peas in a pod. I wonder if we'll get ostracized from this forum.Are you black?your pro slaving nonsense
Best be checking people’s posting histories before you start cramming them into your pre-fab pigeonholes, calling them racist and whatnot.![]()
Actually people here treat me pretty good in general. ‘Specially considering that they’re all commie lib’ruls taking shit from a pro-slaver. They’re runnin’ down us hardworking skeet shootin’ “pro slavers”.
Fortunately we gots some people defending me, pointiing out how both sides are the same.![]()
Since you are new here, I suggest you get to know people first before throwing around such accusations. Elixir is far from a confederate supporter. Rereading what you are responding to might be helpful too.Southern culture that created southern cornbread and bbq is black culture who invented and perfected both. How many confed flags do you see blacks proudly flying in the south? The confed existed for 4 years. The south since the war existed for 160 years. The confed and all its symbols have no reference to southern culture other than pro slavery. That you equate the two is strong evidence that you are either a pro slaver or dangerously ignorant of history.Southern "culture", while subscribing to an ideology that justified slavery, goes beyond that, bring us priceless benefits like cornbread and barbeque.while social control is part of that ideology and the religion has been used to justify atrocities, religion goes beyond that
Sheesh.
Let me excuse religion (while recognizing the robust collectors' market for Templar artifacts) for a moment, since you seem to be an apologist for it.
The act of creating, commemorating and idolizing confederate traitors should not be forgotten. Let's put a stop to it, and not forget what a robust effort that has been since the slave states lost their war. Take all those statues out of public view, and place them where documentation of their evil can be placed beside them. Or even just document the history of those monuments - who made them, who commissioned them, where they stood and why - with photos, models, whatever, and THEN destroy them if you must.
@Gospel is afaik the only black person participating in this discussion, and I gotta defer to his inclinations. But it seems to me that documentation would be most powerful using the actual artifacts.
Stanley would figure that out pretty quickly, I think.Elixir is far from a confederate supporter.
Since you are new here, I suggest you get to know people first before throwing around such accusations. Elixir is far from a confederate supporter. Rereading what you are responding to might be helpful too.Southern culture that created southern cornbread and bbq is black culture who invented and perfected both. How many confed flags do you see blacks proudly flying in the south? The confed existed for 4 years. The south since the war existed for 160 years. The confed and all its symbols have no reference to southern culture other than pro slavery. That you equate the two is strong evidence that you are either a pro slaver or dangerously ignorant of history.Southern "culture", while subscribing to an ideology that justified slavery, goes beyond that, bring us priceless benefits like cornbread and barbeque.while social control is part of that ideology and the religion has been used to justify atrocities, religion goes beyond that
Sheesh.
Let me excuse religion (while recognizing the robust collectors' market for Templar artifacts) for a moment, since you seem to be an apologist for it.
The act of creating, commemorating and idolizing confederate traitors should not be forgotten. Let's put a stop to it, and not forget what a robust effort that has been since the slave states lost their war. Take all those statues out of public view, and place them where documentation of their evil can be placed beside them. Or even just document the history of those monuments - who made them, who commissioned them, where they stood and why - with photos, models, whatever, and THEN destroy them if you must.
@Gospel is afaik the only black person participating in this discussion, and I gotta defer to his inclinations. But it seems to me that documentation would be most powerful using the actual artifacts.
BTW, welcome to the forum.
Which statues? Ones put up in the late 19th century or the ones put up as a direct response to the Civil Rights movement?You seemed to have checked out of the actual conversation. Nobody here is saying the museum is to glorify the people behind the statues.But the statue of Lee is design precisely to promote racism and the spilling of blood to preserve slavery. The monuments were a political act. So, if politics cannot be art, then the monuments cannot be art.…and a god that looks like an old bearded man was what Michaelangelo was hired to depict. On behalf of an outfit that has spilled more blood than Robert E Lee could ever have dreamed of.that was the type of monument they were hired to make.
Art is art, politics is politics and religion is religion.
No it isn't. The ceiling was not painted to promote those things and the religion is not inherently about that. But the Confederacy was inherently created to and was almost entirely about preserving slavery and killing US soldiers to do so. That is why attempts to glorify and praise it have no place except in a holocaust style museum about the white supremacy that continued to grip the south and terrorize black people well into the late 20th century (and still does) .Yes, and if preserved in a museum, that fact can be illuminated along with the statue.But the statue of Lee is design precisely to promote racism and the spilling of blood to preserve slavery.
But you’ll never see the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel presented as a promotional symbol of a genocidal organization reft with child abuse.
WHICH IT IS.
While there is always more that can be learned in history, are you seriously expecting us to believe you don't know shit about the Civil War or 40 or so year run up to it?I for one, don't know all THAT much about the civil war or the confederacy, but I would pay money to go to a museum and see who these people were, what they did, and what they believed.
A few? You truly are isolated over there in California.I'd certainly not go to praise them, though maybe a few knuckleheads a year would.
Bigoted? Why should they? The museum is about the dudes that pushed for insurrection in the first place.And with a little luck, maybe some of them would walk out rethinking their bigotted positions.
Oh, we have our own confederate loonies. You should have seen how many of them came out of the woodworks when we started taking statues down here.A few? You truly are isolated over there in California.
I don't agree. In the first place, the civil war was not really a civil war it was a war against succession from the union for economic tariff reasons. Lincoln was ambivalent about slavery other than the sympathy that it helped his cause. If George Bush would have been president at that time, he would have told us "we were spreading democracy!" But Lincoln used the slavery card instead to spread his cause. Since he knew black slavery was going out of style anyway. This is more than obvious when you consider every other country (at the time) having slavery got rid of the practice even though they had no war of succession like the US did. Furthermore Lincoln wanted to ship all the black southern slaves back to Africa after the civil war and would have done so had he not been assassinated. That does not sound like someone coddling black people to me. Should we tear down or put Lincolns statue in a museum as well?But the Confederacy was inherently created to and was almost entirely about preserving slavery and killing US soldiers to do so.