Ramos attacked by other journalists... for doing journalism

[Juma]

It didn't hurt anybody but Trump and that is okay with me.

The point is the reporter isn't supposed to be making the news, simply reporting on what happened. This guy was making and there was no reason for it--Trump's actions had already given him the story.

A journalist is supposed to get the facts.

 

[ronburgundy]

It didn't hurt anybody but Trump and that is okay with me.

The point is the reporter isn't supposed to be making the news, simply reporting on what happened. This guy was making and there was no reason for it--Trump's actions had already given him the story.

Good journalism means doing things to reveal truths and facts, not merely parroting the propaganda of those who hold press conferences. When surrounded by corporate gutless corporate lackies who participate in such a ruse of pseudo-journalism, any effort to force the talking heads to reveal meaningful information will be "newsworthy" itself. Thus, a competent reporter would actually make the news quite often. Ramos actions got Trump to further expose his racism at the core of his anti-immigrant stances. Granted, to any minimally intelligent person, Trumps dangerous bigotry and that of his fanbase is already established beyond reasonable doubt, but that still leaves most "undecided" and "independent" voters who might have needed more evidence.

When dealing with professionally dishonest and evasive people seeking to do harm to billions, simply asking them questions when they choose to call on you and sitting down when they refuse to give an honest answer if not enough. Any legal actions that prompt them to react in ways that reveal truths about them are called for and legit.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

It didn't hurt anybody but Trump and that is okay with me.

The point is the reporter isn't supposed to be making the news, simply reporting on what happened. This guy was making and there was no reason for it--Trump's actions had already given him the story.

No, Trump made news

1) He refused to answer questions at a PRESS CONFERENCE, the purpose of which is to answer questions. Even you said that was news worthy.
2) Trump then issue forth with yet another memorable quote. Headline bait no reporter is going to pass up.
3) Trump then has Ramos forcibly removed from the venue. Calling security on someone always garners all the attention in the room.

Trump is the one running for president, he is Caesar's wife, not Ramos

 

[maxparrish]

As this incident highlights, one will never confuse Ramos with a prior generation of liberal or ethnic journalists of class. Face it, he's no Walter Cronkite...he's not even David Brinkley, or Dick Cavett. And he certainly is no Ignacio E. Lozano Sr., the iconic Mexican exile, journalist and publisher in early 20th century America.

Ramos is the personification of the no border, import lots more Mexican poor movement. That special sense of entitlement, the brazen jumping the line and demand to be recognized. And then, after being tossed out for crass and low brow behavior, the expectation of an "amnesty" so as to be let back in so that he can seize the floor again.

What a putz.

 

[maxparrish]

The point is the reporter isn't supposed to be making the news, simply reporting on what happened. This guy was making and there was no reason for it--Trump's actions had already given him the story.

No, Trump made news

1) He refused to answer questions at a PRESS CONFERENCE, the purpose of which is to answer questions. Even you said that was news worthy.

Perhaps quite a bit less newsworthy than Hillary Clinton's previous and long-lasting embargo on answering ANY press questions from ANY reporters for a month? Or are you thinking of her more recent constant dodging at her very brief and rare Q&A's?

2) Trump then issue forth with yet another memorable quote. Headline bait no reporter is going to pass up.

Hmmm, you mean a memorable quote like Clinton's, after going 28 days refusing to allow a single question from the media, and then when asked by a reporter if she would take questions from journalists, mocked:

"I might. I'll have to ponder it. I will put it on my list for due consideration."?

3) Trump then has Ramos forcibly removed from the venue. Calling security on someone always garners all the attention in the room.

Trump is the one running for president, he is Caesar's wife, not Ramos

Actually Ramos was the one who garnered attention by seizing the floor after another reporter had been recognized, and his continued talking and refusal to yield the floor after he was asked several times. He should have been tossed, and he should not have been given a second chance. And then Trump did deal with his questions and, unlike almost every other candidate, was willing to engage in an exchange (Cruz being the only other to have also done so.)

Perhaps you indignity might be a bit more convincing if it were directed at Clinton's total embargo, and now her more recent scant willingness to answer questions.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

No, Trump made news

1) He refused to answer questions at a PRESS CONFERENCE, the purpose of which is to answer questions. Even you said that was news worthy.

Perhaps quite a bit less newsworthy than Hillary Clinton's previous and long-lasting embargo on answering ANY press questions from ANY reporters for a month? Or are you thinking of her more recent constant dodging at her very brief and rare Q&A's?

2) Trump then issue forth with yet another memorable quote. Headline bait no reporter is going to pass up.

Hmmm, you mean a memorable quote like Clinton's, after going 28 days refusing to allow a single question from the media, and then when asked by a reporter if she would take questions from journalists, mocked:

"I might. I'll have to ponder it. I will put it on my list for due consideration."?

3) Trump then has Ramos forcibly removed from the venue. Calling security on someone always garners all the attention in the room.

Trump is the one running for president, he is Caesar's wife, not Ramos

Actually Ramos was the one who garnered attention by seizing the floor after another reporter had been recognized, and his continued talking and refusal to yield the floor after he was asked several times. He should have been tossed, and he should not have been given a second chance. And then Trump did deal with his questions and, unlike almost every other candidate, was willing to engage in an exchange (Cruz being the only other to have also done so.)

Perhaps you indignity might be a bit more convincing if it were directed at Clinton's total embargo, and now her more recent scant willingness to answer questions.

What have I said that leads you to think I am indignant? I simply stated a fact. Most people learning about this won't know who Ramos is, but they all will know who Trump is. Trump was the star of the event and his actions and reactions are what were going to be covered at HIS press conference. Trump is what is news, not Ramos.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The point is the reporter isn't supposed to be making the news, simply reporting on what happened. This guy was making and there was no reason for it--Trump's actions had already given him the story.

A journalist is supposed to get the facts.

He already had all he needed: Trump refused to answer those hard questions.

Being confrontational and getting himself thrown out added nothing more.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The point is the reporter isn't supposed to be making the news, simply reporting on what happened. This guy was making and there was no reason for it--Trump's actions had already given him the story.

No, Trump made news

1) He refused to answer questions at a PRESS CONFERENCE, the purpose of which is to answer questions. Even you said that was news worthy.
2) Trump then issue forth with yet another memorable quote. Headline bait no reporter is going to pass up.
3) Trump then has Ramos forcibly removed from the venue. Calling security on someone always garners all the attention in the room.

Trump is the one running for president, he is Caesar's wife, not Ramos

The refusal to answer the question was newsworthy and should have been the story. Getting thrown out should not have been the story.

 

[crispy]

What you are missing is that his confrontation added nothing to the story. He already had enough to make Trump look bad and he should have gone to press with that.

He wasn't trying to make Trump look bad.

He was pressing Trump for answers which Trump was not providing. He would have stopped if Trump had answered the very important questions.

The major problem with the press is that they do not press government officials for answers.

The problem is that journalists mistake what the politicians say as answers to their question, as long as they blabber something out they can quote.

 

[crispy]

No, Trump made news

1) He refused to answer questions at a PRESS CONFERENCE, the purpose of which is to answer questions. Even you said that was news worthy.
2) Trump then issue forth with yet another memorable quote. Headline bait no reporter is going to pass up.
3) Trump then has Ramos forcibly removed from the venue. Calling security on someone always garners all the attention in the room.

Trump is the one running for president, he is Caesar's wife, not Ramos

The refusal to answer the question was newsworthy and should have been the story. Getting thrown out should not have been the story.

How did Trump refuse to answer the question? I only saw the video where he was kicked out. Did Trump give a non-answer or did he say, I will not answer that? In case of a non-answer, I am on the reporters side 100 %. Never accept bullshit statements, or non-answers from politicians as a journalist. In case Trump said he will not answer the question, that is a story in itself, worth a fine article, so other journalists can bring it up every single time they meep Trump.

 

[arkirk]

As this incident highlights, one will never confuse Ramos with a prior generation of liberal or ethnic journalists of class. Face it, he's no Walter Cronkite...he's not even David Brinkley, or Dick Cavett. And he certainly is no Ignacio E. Lozano Sr., the iconic Mexican exile, journalist and publisher in early 20th century America.

Ramos is the personification of the no border, import lots more Mexican poor movement. That special sense of entitlement, the brazen jumping the line and demand to be recognized. And then, after being tossed out for crass and low brow behavior, the expectation of an "amnesty" so as to be let back in so that he can seize the floor again.

What a putz.

And you get your news from the mouth of a narcissistic racist comb-over jackass. You are just slurring Ramos, not discrediting him. Frankly every journalist owes his readership asking the kind of questions Ramos was asking. Those who stayed and played softball with Trump...they are the real putzes.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Just watched the video in the OP. The "journalist" Ramos was awfully rude and no, that is not journalism. Did the person whose turn it was actually get to ask a question?

I don't see a whole lot of difference between what this "journalist" was trying to do and what the Black Lives Matter people did to Bernie Sanders. Both were trying to get attention for their agendas.

 

[maxparrish]

Just watched the video in the OP. The "journalist" Ramos was awfully rude and no, that is not journalism. Did the person whose turn it was actually get to ask a question?

I don't see a whole lot of difference between what this "journalist" was trying to do and what the Black Lives Matter people did to Bernie Sanders. Both were trying to get attention for their agendas.

Good point. Perhaps the BLM people should have called themselves journalists.

 

[untermensche]

Just watched the video in the OP. The "journalist" Ramos was awfully rude and no, that is not journalism. Did the person whose turn it was actually get to ask a question?

I don't see a whole lot of difference between what this "journalist" was trying to do and what the Black Lives Matter people did to Bernie Sanders. Both were trying to get attention for their agendas.

Yes, this reporters agenda was trying to get Trump to explain himself.

But since so many reporters have very little interest in doing this he stands out.

His behavior should be the behavior of every reporter.

The press should be highly adversarial towards candidates and government officials.

 

[maxparrish]

As this incident highlights, one will never confuse Ramos with a prior generation of liberal or ethnic journalists of class. Face it, he's no Walter Cronkite...he's not even David Brinkley, or Dick Cavett. And he certainly is no Ignacio E. Lozano Sr., the iconic Mexican exile, journalist and publisher in early 20th century America.

Ramos is the personification of the no border, import lots more Mexican poor movement. That special sense of entitlement, the brazen jumping the line and demand to be recognized. And then, after being tossed out for crass and low brow behavior, the expectation of an "amnesty" so as to be let back in so that he can seize the floor again.

What a putz.

And you get your news from the mouth of a narcissistic racist comb-over jackass. You are just slurring Ramos, not discrediting him. Frankly every journalist owes his readership asking the kind of questions Ramos was asking. Those who stayed and played softball with Trump...they are the real putzes.

A headline that summed it perfectly: "Jorge Ramos: My “right” to talk over other reporters and ask Trump grandstanding questions was trampled"

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Sorry, but he went too far here.

He already had enough--the story should have been that Trump refuses to answer the question about the implications of his plan. Getting confrontational beyond that is activism, not journalism.

Journalists are supposed to be activists for THE TRUTH, and more than that, for its dissemination to the public at large.

There's a difference between truth and accuracy. When Batman hog-ties the Joker and hangs him from a flag pole along with a box of evidence that proves he is the one who robbed First National Bank and tattooed smiley faces on all the tellers (like you really NEED evidence at that point), a journalist has a lot of information to report. He has the evidence, he has the resulting indictment, he has Batman's history and he has the Joker's history. If he cares about reporting the truth, he's going to report that Batman caught a deranged and twisted criminal and is made Gotham a little bit safer in doing so.

The fact that the Joker ALSO issued a statement through his lawyer saying "Batman is a faggot and a cross dresser and he's only picking on me because I fucked his mom" could ALSO be included in the report, if only for the sake of accuracy, but it definitely shouldn't be reported as if it were the truth.

 

[Turambar]

Ramos had all the right to ask questions to Trump. Yes, at the end he was a bit rude, but what do you expect when interviewing a man who openly despises your entire ethnic group? Would you expect a jewish reporter to be kind to Hitler?
Besides, he is one of us:
Although born Roman Catholic, Ramos is an atheist,and criticized Pope Francis for presiding over the canonization of Pope John Paul II, who he believes willingly covered up abuses committed by Catholic priests.

 

[RavenSky]

Trump Supporter To Jorge Ramos: 'Get Out Of My Country!'

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhZEPmchxCU[/YOUTUBE]

While Ramos was waiting to be let back inside, a man wearing a Donald Trump sticker approached Ramos in the area outside the press conference to tell him, “This is not about you. Get out of my country.”

In the video above, it looks like the man approaches Ramos, who is a United States citizen, completely unprovoked. Ramos turns around to listen to what the man is saying, and then replies, “I am a U.S. citizen.”

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/08/trump-supporter-jorge-ramos-get-out-my

 

[untermensche]

Trump and his Brownshirts.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

A headline that summed it perfectly: "Jorge Ramos: My “right” to talk over other reporters and ask Trump grandstanding questions was trampled"

Exactly.

Ramos had all the right to ask questions to Trump.

He has a right ask. Trump ins't obligated to answer. And Ramos doesn't have the right to disrupt Trump's event and talk over other reporters.

Ramos had his story when he was shut down and could have rightly reported that Trump refused to answer the question he'd asked and explain himself. Trump is not obligated to explain himself. The public has every right to take his refusal to into consideration when deciding whether to vote for Trump.

Ramos should have written a scathing article on Trump. That would be journalism. Disrupting an event isn't.