Cheerful Charlie
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God is a communist. See Acts 4 and Acts 2.
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T.G.G. Moogly
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And all the Nazis were baptized christians.
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Eventually if one is serious they will be forced to choose God or communism. You cannot have both. Communism at its benign says God is unnecessary but actually does not exist. Christianity says that God exists and is absolutely necessary. Chalk and cheese
I have sympathy for the view that Marx started an heretic off-shoot from Christianity but it went off the rails.
So socialism is a Johnny-come-lately then? So why not stick with the original (and the best)?
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Why use such terminology? Just call them followers of Christ
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Matthew 7 (By their fruit you will know them).
I do not care if they were baptised Christians. It is their actions that speak far more. They were baptised as infants and had no say in it.
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Why? Because it has been a habit of far right Christian Nationalists for years now to howl that Democrats are socialists and communists. Lush Limpbrain loved doing that. Throwing around the word communist with great relish. It is now a common epithat from the Q infected MAGA idiots. These self proclaimed Christians do not sem to like Acts 4.
T.G.G. Moogly
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Amen, brother.
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But it's nevertheless quite possible to have neither.
Both are simply wrong. For very similar reasons too - they demand that people believe things that ain't true, and that they impose those false beliefs on others, for the protection of the community.
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Animism?
I disagree. the belief in something more (whatever that is to one) is more reliable than the reverse. Then we apply reason to see what "something more" seem to match what we see better.
deity
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I don't have to say anything
I can only speak to abrahams deity does not match what we see around us. , Nothing more just has no observational support either. In fact they both counter observation to me. "I don't have to say anything" is fine, to start. But hundreds to thousands of post just telling others they are wrong becomes a little "forcing a belief" looking.
Kind of like dark matter or dark energy if you ask me. I lack belief in inflation but it does match observation so I go with it until we find a better explanation.
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I'm wondering if our friend means the prisons are filled with Christians and Muslims instead?
Agreed, and we should also use the term non-believers or godless or something similar, because it seems the "communism is not atheism "angle, is strangely developing into a full (though different) debate, which neither you or I were 'for or against' the notion.
T.G.G. Moogly
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"Something more" for lots of folks is a "higher power." Maybe to them that simply means a deeper understanding of the world around them. However, as you say that does not match observation. The Dover trial demonstrated that people were just pushing their fundamentalist agenda as science. Face it, some folks don't get science and are not curious that way. They want to control what people can learn because they themselves are afraid of knowledge because it threatens their security and power.
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Very few Christian follows Christ. Protestants have a tendency for worshipping Paul and Catholics worshipping dogma.
Cheerful Charlie
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Many Catholics have a Virgin Mary fetish. Ripping of Isis worshippers of old.
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I'm not sure what your point is. All I was saying is that the original Christian message is similar to communism and that not all communists are atheists. To me, these ideologies are well meaning but extremely idealistic. Every time they've been tried, they become corrupted. People didn't evolve to want to share everything equally with everyone else.
Marx probably meant well, but I've always wondered what he would think if. he saw what happened when his ideology was adopted. Like I said, I didn't want to derail the thread. I just don't see many Christians who follow the teachings of the Christian gospel. Having said that, I do admire those Christians who organize and do charitable works for their own communities. I've found this is more common among moderate or liberal Christian groups, not so much among fundamentalists. For example, the huge Methodist church on the corner of my street does a lot of charitable works. One year, my atheist husband did a charity walk with them. I agree that if we must judge, we should judge character, not beliefs.
T.G.G. Moogly
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Are there any? I've never met one. Some people do lots of charitable work, spend hours volunteering and then you find out that their favorite movie is Death Wish with Charles Bronson, or that they hate Muslims, or blacks or Jews or pray for the conversion of Russia. That doesn't seem to square. I'll have to reread those four gospel stories, maybe I missed something in there about acceptance.