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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-legal-defense-fund-make-ends-meet/391766002/

article said:
A cash-strapped Roy Moore urged supporters Thursday to pour more donations into a legal defense fund formed to fight a defamation lawsuit by a woman who said he molested her when she was 14.

Now that Roy Moore narrowly missed getting elected to the Senate, can we finally give up the notion that pedophilia is exclusively a Catholic phenomenon?

Just like the Catholics once did, he's blaming "the gays" for his troubles with the law. The problem can't be that he was diddling underage girls, no it must be a sinister conspiracy by "the sodomites."

I still can't believe that the Republican party ran a pedophile for the fucking Senate. He even received the endorsement of the president.

Anyway, for the conservolibertarians of this forum, patriot Moore needs your money! Send him money so that he can defend himself from "the sodomites." If he gets convicted, then no one will be allowed to grope teenagers. Do you really want to live in such a world?
 
Unfortunately, it is only a defamation lawsuit. When he loses, he will owe his victim money (which he claims to not have) rather than go to prison where he belongs.
 
Underseer, I think spamming the board to raise money for your favorite candidate might be in violation of forum rules.

Underseer's point in calling him respected is that the President and 49% of Alabama voters endorsed that creepy jerk. Instead of dealing with that you use ad homs against Underseer. You should be ashamed.
 
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The Dawning Of ‘Roy Moore Libertarianism’
Published on October 10, 2017 in Politics by Shane Trejo

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Roy Moore’s particular brand of libertarianism is an easy sell to the public too. It’s uniquely American, and taps directly into the DNA of the nation. Libertarians need to learn a thing or two about branding, and realize that coaching their message in populist anti-establishment terms is how to proceed. Americans just don’t want soft, weak, whiny, bowtie-clad nancy boys prancing around fancifully as their political leaders. Reciting tedious dogma about rejecting leaders and hierarchies and the force of government has not moved the libertarian movement forward one inch. Activists need to realize that this cause isn’t about satisfying their personal subjective desires, but rather about appealing to the public and drawing them into the message of liberty. ‘Roy Moore Libertarianism’ is a big winner that has already been proven to overcome the many advantages of the political establishment, and every libertarian activist would be wise to take notes.


https://www.thelibertyconservative.com/the-dawning-of-roy-moore-libertarianism/
 
Interesting site. The name is "The Liberty Conservative", not "The Libertarian Conservative." Obviously, exactly like Underseer, they are Republicans trying to recruit libertarians. I know a lot of people in the libertarian movement, and am familiar with those who are movers and shakers within the movement. Oddly enough, all the names of editors and contributors are not included in that. I also found articles harshly criticizing Jeffrey Tucker, while praising Unite the Right. Actually this looks less like a Republican run site to pretend they are friendly to libertarians, but a Democrat run site pretending to be a Republican run site pretending to be friendly to libertarians.

I suppose anyone can put up a website that aggregates news. I should go ahead and put up a site called "The Libertarian Democrat" or some such, you'll believe it just as equally. It was nice of Underseer to recommend that you show me that page, do you wonder how he found it?

Just for shits and grins, I looked at their Facebook page and YouTube page. Their YT channel was a disappointment, they actually have no videos of their own. On their FB page they actually criticize libertarians.

No, you've inspired me. I'm going to create a website called "The Libertarian Democrat", in your honor and to undercut Underseer's attempts to bring libertarians into his Republican fold.

One final thing. If you want libertarian content, there are a few places so well known even you might know about them. Cato, Reason, LewRockwell, etc. Try the big names first before finding something this obscure as proof of ... whatever it is you think you were trying to prove.
 
Good try. Just like Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell is also a libertarian conservative. In fact, we've gone over this before. Ron Paul is a prime example of a libertarian conservative who got great ratings from the American Conservative Union every year. More relevant to this thread, there is also support for Roy Moore on LewRockwell.com site:

Five opinions written by Moore stand out as reasons libertarians could support him in the Alabama primary to fill the U.S. Senate seat once held by Jeff Sessions.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/10...sons-liberations-can-support-judge-roy-moore/

Why would Christian conservatives in good conscience go to the polls Dec. 12 and vote for Judge Roy Moore, despite the charges of sexual misconduct with teenagers leveled against him?

Answer: That Alabama Senate race could determine whether Roe v. Wade is overturned. The lives of millions of unborn may be the stakes.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/11/patrick-j-buchanan/why-roy-moore-matters/

I don’t know whether Judge Roy Moore cruised around malls 40 years ago looking for teenage girls. He might be a pedophile, or the women stepping forward decades after the alleged incidents might be lying. To quote a famous scandal ridden establishment politician, “At this point what difference does it make”. He will win the run-off election for Jeff Sessions’ vacant Senate seat on December 12. He will win because we are in the midst of a Fourth Turning, where the mood of the populace has shifted strongly against the status quo/establishment.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/11/jim-quinn/why-roy-moore-will-be-the-next-senator-from-alabama/

On this last one, there's even a link to buy gold coins because you know, Ron Paul and his crazy gold beliefs.
 
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Underseer, I think spamming the board to raise money for your favorite candidate might be in violation of forum rules.

Underseer's point in calling him respected is that the President and 49% of Alabama voters endorsed that creepy jerk. Instead of dealing with that you use ad homs against Underseer. You should be ashamed.

Golly, it's almost as if he's using the same rhetorical tactics as conservatives (who are totally different from libertarians, honest!).

Notice how he got deeply offended and defensive when a conservative pedophile got criticized?
 
Underseer, I think spamming the board to raise money for your favorite candidate might be in violation of forum rules.

Underseer's point in calling him respected is that the President and 49% of Alabama voters endorsed that creepy jerk. Instead of dealing with that you use ad homs against Underseer. You should be ashamed.

Golly, it's almost as if he's using the same rhetorical tactics as conservatives (who are totally different from libertarians, honest!).

Notice how he got deeply offended and defensive when a conservative pedophile got criticized?
Are there people who say they are libertarian minded that support Moore? Sure probably, humans come in just about every flavor under the sun. Supposedly, there were Bernie supporters who switched over to FFvC. I find that just as bizarre, but it seems valid even if I can't comprehend it.

Anyway, I learned something the other day Koyaanisqatsi:

Well, let’s break that down. As you pointed out, the LP typically gets about 1% every election cycle, so we can set that aside as a baseline. So we’d be looking at the outlier that seemed to be unique to 2016, or about 2.27% of his numbers up for grabs in regard to any swing toward Johnson. Do we have any indication as to the breakdown of his support? There is this from November 26 from CNN:

It's impossible to know how an election could have gone under hypothetical scenarios, but the Johnson campaign regularly said they thought they were pulling support equally from would-be Trump supporters and would-be Clinton voters. Stein's campaign, meanwhile, made a constant, explicit appeal to disenchanted Democrats and former supporters of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

If Johnson and Stein weren't in the race, it's also possible many of their supporters may have stayed home. But if about half of Johnson's supporters would have voted for Clinton over Trump, and if most of Stein's supporters broke for the Democrats, the electoral map would have been decidedly different.

And there was this from FiveThirtyEight back in July of 2016 (i.e., long before the election, but still relevant to this question):

The majority of pollsters (12) have Clinton’s margin over Trump shrinking when at least one third-party candidate is included. The difference in margins, however, varies among pollsters, and a few, such as Ipsos, have Clinton’s lead rising by the tiniest of bits when at least Johnson is included. Overall, including third-party candidates takes about 1 percentage point away from Clinton’s margin, on average.

We can argue about the significance of a single percentage point. It’s not a very big deal when Clinton is leading by 5.5 percentage points in the FiveThirtyEight national polling average and is projected to win the national vote by 6.3 percentage points in the FiveThirtyEight polls-only model. (Note that our model prefers the versions of polls that include Johnson. Otherwise, Clinton’s advantage would be slightly larger.1) The discrepancy could, however, become an issue if the race becomes tighter.
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Johnson looks especially likely to peel votes from Clinton and Trump because he will probably achieve ballot access in all 50 states, which is unusual for a non-major-party candidate.

And then there was this from CNN in August of 2016:

Way down in the crosstabs of CNN's latest presidential poll, we learn how voters who preferred Bernie Sanders to Hillary Clinton say they're most likely to vote in November. A clear majority, 69 percent, favor Clinton. Jill Stein of the Green Party is in second place, with 13 percent. Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party is third, at 10 percent. Donald Trump brings up the rear, with just three percent of the total—the same as "other."

If we use the numbers from the primaries as an indication of how many Sanders supporters there were, then we’re talking about 10% of 13 million or 1.3 million Sanders’ supporters potentially throwing their votes away on a third party as a protest against Clinton, and about half that would go to Johnson, or around 650,000 votes. That’s just from the Sanders’ supporters. Harder to discern would be among “independents” or other undecided Dems that got swayed by the Comey effect (or racism/sexism).

So, iow, yes, there is definitively evidence indicating that votes that would have otherwise gone to Clinton went instead to Johnson (and not necessarily at Trump’s expense).
 
Underseer, I think spamming the board to raise money for your favorite candidate might be in violation of forum rules.

Underseer's point in calling him respected is that the President and 49% of Alabama voters endorsed that creepy jerk. Instead of dealing with that you use ad homs against Underseer. You should be ashamed.

Golly, it's almost as if he's using the same rhetorical tactics as conservatives (who are totally different from libertarians, honest!).

Notice how he got deeply offended and defensive when a conservative pedophile got criticized?

The offense was that you tried to claim that libertarians supported your favorite candidate. You can support your pedophile all you want, don't lump us in with you while you do so.
 
Golly, it's almost as if he's using the same rhetorical tactics as conservatives (who are totally different from libertarians, honest!).

Notice how he got deeply offended and defensive when a conservative pedophile got criticized?

The offense was that you tried to claim that libertarians supported your favorite candidate. You can support your pedophile all you want, don't lump us in with you while you do so.

Isn't one of the central tenets of libertarians that nobody can speak for libertarians as a group? Your attempt to set yourself up as some kind of libertarian spokesman and pass yourself off as an expert about which pedophiles they do or do not support is a very anti-libertarian action.

I will speak for libertarians as a group and say that they are all shocked and outraged by your undercutting of their philosophy in this manner. :mad:
 
Golly, it's almost as if he's using the same rhetorical tactics as conservatives (who are totally different from libertarians, honest!).

Notice how he got deeply offended and defensive when a conservative pedophile got criticized?

The offense was that you tried to claim that libertarians supported your favorite candidate. You can support your pedophile all you want, don't lump us in with you while you do so.

Isn't one of the central tenets of libertarians that nobody can speak for libertarians as a group?
As an Official Libertarian Spokesman, I can confirm that this is true :D
 
Golly, it's almost as if he's using the same rhetorical tactics as conservatives (who are totally different from libertarians, honest!).

Notice how he got deeply offended and defensive when a conservative pedophile got criticized?

The offense was that you tried to claim that libertarians supported your favorite candidate. You can support your pedophile all you want, don't lump us in with you while you do so.

Isn't one of the central tenets of libertarians that nobody can speak for libertarians as a group?

No.
 
Golly, it's almost as if he's using the same rhetorical tactics as conservatives (who are totally different from libertarians, honest!).

Notice how he got deeply offended and defensive when a conservative pedophile got criticized?

The offense was that you tried to claim that libertarians supported your favorite candidate.
That is obviously incorrect. The OP did not mention libertarians. The OP mentioned conservolibertarians. Clearly that is different from libertarians.
You can support your pedophile all you want, don't lump us in with you while you do so.
You have no basis to claim that Don2 would support a pedophile. Whether you like it or not, it is more likely that libertarians would support a pedophile than either Don or Underseer.
 
Try finding out what the idea set called libertarianism contains. Hint - the Republican Underseer isn't a reliable source.
Tom Sawyer reasoned that libertarians would agree that no one spoke for them as a group. No one quoted Underseer as a source for information about libertarians. So what on earth are you babbling about?
This thread is nothing more than him spamming the forum to raise money for his favorite candidate.
That is simply more babble. This thread is about Roy Moore embarrassing himself further in pursuing a libel suit and begging for dollars to do so.
 
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