peacegirl
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I don't see where delayed seeing is part of how NASA calculates trajectories. The only thing that Lessans needed to demonstrate were his observations and whether they held weight. There is a definite conflict here, and it will not be solved in this thread. I also don't think that stellar aberration conflicts with seeing in real time. This one phenomenon doesn't mess up all of astronomy, cosmology, and physics, which you seem to believe.Yes, we would see the source (i.e., matter) because the light is there for us to see it. You are thinking that the source is long gone and all we see are images in the brain. WRONG. I can say the same thing: This is such elementary reasoning I find it shocking you cannot grasp it. The only thing I can figure is that you REFUSE to grasp it. See?This does not in any way disprove that we see in real time. This is not magic. Light travels, and there is a finite speed that has been measured definitively.It really doesn't. It looks like there is no other explanation possible for light to take longer to get here at certain times of the year other than distance and time, but this is circumstantial. I will never be able to convince anyone here or anywhere on the internet that the author's observations are just as possible as the present version of sight.Roemer’s hypothesis: sight is not instantaneous!
This is so easy to understand, peacegirl, and it means your author’s instantaneous seeing hypothesis is simply untrue.
The distance of the moon is regularly measured using laser beams reflected from an instrument left on the moon for that purpose.
Yes. And it is measured because of the delay in getting to our eye when the source is farther away, which disproves real-time seeing, because if real-time seeing were true, we would see the source instantly, no matter how far away it was. This is such elementary reasoning I find it shocking you cannot grasp it. The only thing I can figure is that you REFUSE to grasp it.
Grasp what??? We already SHOWED you how NASA calculates trajectories to Mars and other celestial bodies! They do it based on DELAYED SEEING. When you see Mars in the sky at night, that is NOT where it actually is!
Stellar aberration is the phenomenon whereby the observed angular position of a star depends on the relative motion between the star and Earth. Specifically, a telescope must be tilted slightly into the direction of motion of Earth relative to the star. There are in fact three different angular positions of interest: the observed position of the star from Earth, the actual position of the star (at the instant of observation) as measured using Earth’s clocks and rulers, and the actual position of the star (relative to Earth) as measured using the star’s clocks and rulers. Clear diagrams show that none of these three angular positions are in general equal to each other, and help explain why the effect in practice depends only on Earth’s motion and not on the star’s motion, in apparent violation of the relativity of motion.
Aberration (astronomy) - Wikipedia
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