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“Revolution in Thought: A new look at determinism and free will"

Sorry, I can't make sense of it. Words/language is related to our experience of the world, which includes what we see, hear, feel or smell, an experience that is not radically altered by realizing that will is not free, where we still face the same challenges and basically respond according to our life experiences, our acquired understanding of the world.

Nobody thinks about free will when they act. We are presented with options or challenges in life and we respond, be it rationally or irrationally,
according to our genetic makeup and life experiences..... where change, for better or worse, is inevitable.

To transform human behaviour for the better would take a monumental event to unite us, rather than divide us, an event to inspire working together for the common good.

Or perhaps its just a Pipe Dream.
 
Sorry, I can't make sense of it. Words/language is related to our experience of the world, which includes what we see, hear, feel or smell, an experience that is not radically altered by realizing that will is not free, where we still face the same challenges and basically respond according to our life experiences, our acquired understanding of the world.
DBT, how would you know that the corollary to determinism would not have a major impact on human conduct if you haven't followed his reasoning?
Nobody thinks about free will when they act.
That is true. They just react to their environment. Part of their actions are based on what society tells them will occur if they act wrongly. The change in the environment based on no free will alters behavior in such a way that the desire to hurt others will no longer be (you need to read Chapter Two to understand why), given the fact that the hurt to them will be eliminated. This is the change that is inevitable once these principles are put into practice.
We are presented with options or challenges in life and we respond, be it rationally or irrationally,
according to our genetic makeup and life experiences..... where change, for better or worse, is inevitable.
Everything we do is inevitable, but with this knowledge, we are able to veer in a new direction.

By discovering this well-concealed law and demonstrating its power, a catalyst, so to speak, is introduced into human relations that compels a fantastic change in the direction our nature has been traveling, performing what will be called miracles, though they do not transcend the laws of nature. The same nature that permits the most heinous crimes and all the other evils of human relation is going to veer so sharply in a different direction that all nations on this planet, once the leaders and their subordinates understand the principles involved, will unite in such a way that no more wars will ever again be possible.

To transform human behaviour for the better would take a monumental event to unite us, rather than divide us, an event to inspire working together for the common good.

Or perhaps its just a Pipe Dream.
It's not a Pipe Dream. It can happen.
 
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You need to clearly and concisely describe the knowledge that you say can transform human behaviour.
I’m asking you to please read the link I gave you. Then I can discuss all of the ramifications. This is the only way you’ll get a full picture of how this change in environment increases responsibility. In fact, the mere thought of hurting someone, under the changed conditions, becomes difficult to even contemplate, thereby preventing any action that could lead to what is not desired.
 
Peacegirl said: "I’m asking you to please read the link I gave you."

Aup.: Most people will not do that even if you pay them to read. You need to give us an outline of your or the author's plan to change human behavior. If that is interesting, people will perhaps read it.
 
Peacegirl said: "I’m asking you to please read the link I gave you."

Aup.: Most people will not do that even if you pay them to read. You need to give us an outline of your or the author's plan to change human behavior. If that is interesting, people will perhaps read it.
If they have no curiosity after everything I’ve explained thus far, they probably never will read it. I’ve given more than I can possibly give without there being more questions due to the difficulty in reducing this work to a synopsis that would never do it justice. If they refuse to read, it’s their loss. I’m not invested in what they do.
 
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You need to clearly and concisely describe the knowledge that you say can transform human behaviour.
I’m asking you to please read the link I gave you. Then I can discuss all of the ramifications. This is the only way you’ll get a full picture of how this change in environment increases responsibility. In fact, the mere thought of hurting someone, under the changed conditions, becomes difficult to even contemplate, thereby preventing any action that could lead to what is not desired.

I asked a specific question. 'Read the link doesn't address the question.' I have read some of what the authors has said, but haven't seen anything that addresses the question I asked.

I thought that having a deep understanding of his work, you could explain it clearly and concisely.

Please explain, don't just say 'read the link.'
 
You need to clearly and concisely describe the knowledge that you say can transform human behaviour.
I’m asking you to please read the link I gave you. Then I can discuss all of the ramifications. This is the only way you’ll get a full picture of how this change in environment increases responsibility. In fact, the mere thought of hurting someone, under the changed conditions, becomes difficult to even contemplate, thereby preventing any action that could lead to what is not desired.

I asked a specific question. 'Read the link doesn't address the question.' I have read some of what the authors has said, but haven't seen anything that addresses the question I asked.

I thought that having a deep understanding of his work, you could explain it clearly and concisely.

Please explain, don't just say 'read the link.
 
You need to clearly and concisely describe the knowledge that you say can transform human behaviour.
I’m asking you to please read the link I gave you. Then I can discuss all of the ramifications. This is the only way you’ll get a full picture of how this change in environment increases responsibility. In fact, the mere thought of hurting someone, under the changed conditions, becomes difficult to even contemplate, thereby preventing any action that could lead to what is not desired.

I asked a specific question. 'Read the link doesn't address the question.' I have read some of what the authors has said, but haven't seen anything that addresses the question I asked.

I thought that having a deep understanding of his work, you could explain it clearly and concisely.

Please explain, don't just say 'read the link.
What specific question did you have that you are demanding an answer to? I will refer you to the book for a deep understanding that cannot be reduced to a few sentences. If you think this means that this is all talk, then don’t read it. I’m not going to be put on trial for not answering your questions in a way that will be imprecise because an equation cannot be half-baked. A complete understanding requires you to see how everything comes together like a jigsaw puzzle. Hearing me give you the answers you want in a few words will lead to more questions and on and on. I know you want to make sure this discovery is real and not a pipe dream. All I can do is reassure you it is as real as it gets.
 
p. 6 The reasoning in this work is not a form of logic, nor is it my opinion of the answer; it is mathematical, scientific, and undeniable, and it is not necessary to deal with what has been termed the ‘exact sciences’ in order to be exact and scientific. Consequently, it is imperative to know that this demonstration will be like a game of chess in which every one of your moves will be forced and checkmate inevitable, but only if you don’t make up your own rules as to what is true and false, which will only delay the very life you want for yourself. The laws of this universe, which include those of our nature, are the rules of the game, and the only thing required to win, to bring about this Golden Age that will benefit everyone... is to stick to the rules. But if you decide to move the king like the queen because it does not satisfy you to see a pet belief slipping away or because it irritates your pride to be proven wrong or checkmated, then it is obvious that you are not sincerely concerned with learning the truth but only with retaining your doctrines at all costs. However, when it is scientifically revealed that the very things religion, government, education and all others want, which include the means as well as the end, are prevented from becoming a reality only because we have not penetrated deeply enough into a thorough understanding of our ultimate nature, are we given a choice as to the direction we are compelled to travel even though this means the relinquishing of ideas that have been part of our thinking since time immemorial? This discovery will be presented in a step-by-step fashion that brooks no opposition, and your awareness of this matter will preclude the possibility of someone adducing his rank, title, affiliation, or the long tenure of an accepted belief as a standard from which he thinks he qualifies to disagree with knowledge that contains within itself undeniable proof of its veracity.
 
p. 6 The reasoning in this work is not a form of logic, nor is it my opinion of the answer;
OK.
it is mathematical, scientific, and undeniable,
Wait, what?

Mathematics and science are forms of logic, advised by opinions of the answer(s). And undeniability is only achieved by logic. Without logic, anything is deniable.
and it is not necessary to deal with what has been termed the ‘exact sciences’ in order to be exact and scientific
By definition, yes, it is. The term "exact sciences" is a description, not an accolade granted by the whim of some authority. If one is being exact and scientific, then one is dealing with the 'exact aciences', whether one likes it or not.
Consequently, it is imperative to know that this demonstration will be like a game of chess in which every one of your moves will be forced and checkmate inevitable, but only if you don’t make up your own rules as to what is true and false,
So, only through the use of logic, then. Chess is a logical system.
which will only delay the very life you want for yourself.
Argument from consequences is a fallacy.
The laws of this universe, which include those of our nature, are the rules of the game, and the only thing required to win, to bring about this Golden Age that will benefit everyone... is to stick to the rules.
Then stick to them. One of the rules is that two statements that contradict each other cannot both be true:

"The reasoning in this work is not a form of logic"
"it is mathematical, scientific, and undeniable"
Pick one. You cannot have both; Unless you "make up your own rules as to what is true and false".
But if you decide to move the king like the queen because it does not satisfy you to see a pet belief slipping away or because it irritates your pride to be proven wrong or checkmated, then it is obvious that you are not sincerely concerned with learning the truth but only with retaining your doctrines at all costs.
That's true. So, why did you start this entire line of argument by doing exactly that? It appears to be a demand that your audience suspend the rules of logic, in favour of pursuing a desire - a combined argument from consequences and well-poisoning, whereby you impose rules arbitrarily based on their ephemeral desirability in support of each point you wish to believe.
However, when it is scientifically revealed that the very things religion, government, education and all others want, which include the means as well as the end, are prevented from becoming a reality only because we have not penetrated deeply enough into a thorough understanding of our ultimate nature, are we given a choice as to the direction we are compelled to travel even though this means the relinquishing of ideas that have been part of our thinking since time immemorial?
When it is, no, we aren't. But that's not an argument; It's an advertisement for a future argument, not yet made.

"When it is scientifically proven that the Moon is made of cheese, are we given a choice as to whether to accept that fact?"

Well, no, we aren't; in the hypothetical scenario where this has been scientifically proven. But where is that proof? Without it, the acceptance of the claim as fact is absurd.
This discovery will be presented in a step-by-step fashion that brooks no opposition,
More advertising. But where are the purported goods? If the argument is compelling, you don't need to tell us in advance. That's what "compelling" means - that it will persuade us on its own merits.

So why the P T Barnum preamble to hype up the rubes for some magnificent revelation?
and your awareness of this matter will preclude the possibility of someone adducing his rank, title, affiliation, or the long tenure of an accepted belief as a standard from which he thinks he qualifies to disagree with knowledge that contains within itself undeniable proof of its veracity.
Sure. If it would, you would just do it. That you need to talk about it just sets of the skepticism alarm in any intelligent mind.

This isn't a "mathematical, scientific, and undeniable" argument; Rather, it's a spectacular theatrical trailer for an upcoming argument that, for some reason, we need to be told in advance will be "mathematical, scientific, and undeniable".

The only reason to tell people in advance about these attributes of your argument is that it lacks them, but you hope they won't realise that fact if you have bamboozled them into expecting something "mathematical, scientific, and undeniable".
 
My God that butchery of chess though...

Let's imagine "block chess" for a moment, since chess is in the discussion now.

In "flat chess" imagine a board at the starting position. You will need to imagine it very vastly.

Now, in each of those squares, inside a thing white or black border, is an image, and *in that image*, there are a number of chess boards which operate the same way: each board depicts a move, starting with the move towards A1 and advancing towards A8 and then to H8 in order of preference, of each of the moves that piece "can" make: in the initial board, at E2, for instance, are two chess boards, the first containing an image with the pawn at E1 and the second at E2.

Like the bigger board, each square of these smaller boards has an image under each of the pieces. This continues in every board in every square recursively and exhaustively, such that the biggest chess board in fact contains an image of *all of chess* rendered in a perfectly deterministic way, through the "50 layers" of the "50 move rule" just so that we aren't treading on an infinite depth problem!

My point here, though, is that we can answer questions about what always happens or never happens on the board. We can say "no pinned knight has any moves at all". This is an absolute fact about the whole universe of flat chess. You can look at the board and see that it is true. You can perfectly correlate the contexts that brings this about to some leverage of one piece against another.

You can *see* the principle of alternate possibilities in action even in this deterministic system
 
p. 6 The reasoning in this work is not a form of logic, nor is it my opinion of the answer;
OK.
it is mathematical, scientific, and undeniable,
Wait, what?

Mathematics and science are forms of logic, advised by opinions of the answer(s). And undeniability is only achieved by logic. Without logic, anything is deniable.
I assume it depends on definition. He was trying to differentiate between logical systems that can be valid but not sound, and mathematics that effect solid conclusions independent of theoretical constructs.
and it is not necessary to deal with what has been termed the ‘exact sciences’ in order to be exact and scientific
By definition, yes, it is. The term "exact sciences" is a description, not an accolade granted by the whim of some authority. If one is being exact and scientific, then one is dealing with the 'exact aciences', whether one likes it or not.
Again, he was only differentiating between the fields that comprise the exact sciences and his findings which, although they don’t fall into those fields, are exact and scientific.
Consequently, it is imperative to know that this demonstration will be like a game of chess in which every one of your moves will be forced and checkmate inevitable, but only if you don’t make up your own rules as to what is true and false,
So, only through the use of logic, then. Chess is a logical system.
I think you are splitting hairs since chess can be considered both logical and based on math. But you don’t seem to separate the two as being distinct. So much confusion comes from starting off with different definitions that it then becomes difficult to communicate effectively.
which will only delay the very life you want for yourself.
Argument from consequences is a fallacy.
That’s not what he did.
The laws of this universe, which include those of our nature, are the rules of the game, and the only thing required to win, to bring about this Golden Age that will benefit everyone... is to stick to the rules.
Then stick to them. One of the rules is that two statements that contradict each other cannot both be true:

"The reasoning in this work is not a form of logic"
"it is mathematical, scientific, and undeniable"
Pick one. You cannot have both; Unless you "make up your own rules as to what is true and false".
He was trying to make sure the words being used in the context he was using them would not be misunderstood, so please, for the sake of moving beyond page 6 (Geeze!) don’t purposely misconstrue what he clearly tried to clarify.
But if you decide to move the king like the queen because it does not satisfy you to see a pet belief slipping away or because it irritates your pride to be proven wrong or checkmated, then it is obvious that you are not sincerely concerned with learning the truth but only with retaining your doctrines at all costs.
That's true. So, why did you start this entire line of argument by doing exactly that? It appears to be a demand that your audience suspend the rules of logic, in favour of pursuing a desire - a combined argument from consequences and well-poisoning, whereby you impose rules arbitrarily based on their ephemeral desirability in support of each point you wish to believe.
This has nothing to do with poisoning the well and this is not an argument from consequences just because the desired consequences result from his observations. You are assuming that this discovery is false, so who is poisoning the well?
However, when it is scientifically revealed that the very things religion, government, education and all others want, which include the means as well as the end, are prevented from becoming a reality only because we have not penetrated deeply enough into a thorough understanding of our ultimate nature, are we given a choice as to the direction we are compelled to travel even though this means the relinquishing of ideas that have been part of our thinking since time immemorial?
When it is, no, we aren't. But that's not an argument; It's an advertisement for a future argument, not yet made.
This was not an argument. It was an introduction. He said that we have not delved deeply into an understanding of our ultimate nature (which is true) and by doing so, we can achieve what we all want (world peace) but… he goes onto say that it will require giving up a belief (namely free will) that the majority of mankind believes we have.
"When it is scientifically proven that the Moon is made of cheese, are we given a choice as to whether to accept that fact?"
No, because it is not a fact and it has not been scientifically proven. Are you telling me that you believe this knowledge is comparable to the belief that the moon is made of cheese? 🫤 How presumptive can you be considering that you have no idea what his first discovery entails.
Well, no, we aren't; in the hypothetical scenario where this has been scientifically proven. But where is that proof? Without it, the acceptance of the claim as fact is absurd.
What do you think I’ve been trying to do bilby? I’m not asking anyone to accept a claim without proof that the claim is sound.
This discovery will be presented in a step-by-step fashion that brooks no opposition,
More advertising. But where are the purported goods? If the argument is compelling, you don't need to tell us in advance. That's what "compelling" means - that it will persuade us on its own merits.
There was nothing wrong with his introduction. You can tear it apart as everyone seems to desire doing, but the goods are delivered. As I said early on, the first three chapters must be read in a step-by-step fashion so that gaps are not inadvertently created. This requires careful examination, not perusing or glossing over the fundamental concepts, or worse, demanding a quick synopsis that would never give this work justice.
So why the P T Barnum preamble to hype up the rubes for some magnificent revelation?
Ironically, your response is the very reason he felt the need to preface the book the way he did.
and your awareness of this matter will preclude the possibility of someone adducing his rank, title, affiliation, or the long tenure of an accepted belief as a standard from which he thinks he qualifies to disagree with knowledge that contains within itself undeniable proof of its veracity.
Sure. If it would, you would just do it. That you need to talk about it just sets of the skepticism alarm in any intelligent mind.
Skepticism would be there regardless of either “just do it” (as you put it), or “create an introduction” due to the nature of the claims.
This isn't a "mathematical, scientific, and undeniable" argument; Rather, it's a spectacular theatrical trailer for an upcoming argument that, for some reason, we need to be told in advance will be "mathematical, scientific, and undeniable".
He felt the need to tell people in advance that this discovery is what he says it is because most claims are none of these, which is why he belabored this point.
The only reason to tell people in advance about these attributes of your argument is that it lacks them,
Maybe in some instances but not in this one, so your theory doesn’t hold.
but you hope they won't realise that fact if you have bamboozled them into expecting something "mathematical, scientific, and undeniable".
I am not bamboozling anyone to expect anything other than what it claims to be. So please stop jumping to premature conclusions before you even open the front cover.
 
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My God that butchery of chess though...

Let's imagine "block chess" for a moment, since chess is in the discussion now.

In "flat chess" imagine a board at the starting position. You will need to imagine it very vastly.

Now, in each of those squares, inside a thing white or black border, is an image, and *in that image*, there are a number of chess boards which operate the same way: each board depicts a move, starting with the move towards A1 and advancing towards A8 and then to H8 in order of preference, of each of the moves that piece "can" make: in the initial board, at E2, for instance, are two chess boards, the first containing an image with the pawn at E1 and the second at E2.

Like the bigger board, each square of these smaller boards has an image under each of the pieces. This continues in every board in every square recursively and exhaustively, such that the biggest chess board in fact contains an image of *all of chess* rendered in a perfectly deterministic way, through the "50 layers" of the "50 move rule" just so that we aren't treading on an infinite depth problem!

My point here, though, is that we can answer questions about what always happens or never happens on the board. We can say "no pinned knight has any moves at all". This is an absolute fact about the whole universe of flat chess. You can look at the board and see that it is true. You can perfectly correlate the contexts that brings this about to some leverage of one piece against another.

You can *see* the principle of alternate possibilities in action even in this deterministic system
You are assuming that Lessans is saying there are no alternate possibilities. We make choices by weighing possible options. This is what contemplation is all about; otherwise, we wouldn't have this attribute, but there is only one choice that can be made at any given moment in time. This is why it is so important to define terms so that everyone is on the same page. BTW, this author was a chess champ! :LOL:
 
My God that butchery of chess though...

Let's imagine "block chess" for a moment, since chess is in the discussion now.

In "flat chess" imagine a board at the starting position. You will need to imagine it very vastly.

Now, in each of those squares, inside a thing white or black border, is an image, and *in that image*, there are a number of chess boards which operate the same way: each board depicts a move, starting with the move towards A1 and advancing towards A8 and then to H8 in order of preference, of each of the moves that piece "can" make: in the initial board, at E2, for instance, are two chess boards, the first containing an image with the pawn at E1 and the second at E2.

Like the bigger board, each square of these smaller boards has an image under each of the pieces. This continues in every board in every square recursively and exhaustively, such that the biggest chess board in fact contains an image of *all of chess* rendered in a perfectly deterministic way, through the "50 layers" of the "50 move rule" just so that we aren't treading on an infinite depth problem!

My point here, though, is that we can answer questions about what always happens or never happens on the board. We can say "no pinned knight has any moves at all". This is an absolute fact about the whole universe of flat chess. You can look at the board and see that it is true. You can perfectly correlate the contexts that brings this about to some leverage of one piece against another.

You can *see* the principle of alternate possibilities in action even in this deterministic system
You are assuming that Lessans is saying there are no alternate possibilities. We make choices by weighing possible options. This is what contemplation is all about; otherwise, we wouldn't have this attribute, but there is only one choice that can be made at any given moment in time. This is why it is so important to define terms so that everyone is on the same page. BTW, this author was a chess champ! :LOL:
Your cult leader thinks that there is no free will.
one choice that can be made at any given moment in time
And this in particular? This is a modal violation. Only one choice WILL be made at a given moment and *place* in spacetime, but "can" doesn't handle specific points in space and time, it handles "general" cases, which means sets of disconnected points in space and time.

The very sentence is as invalid as a circular reference. It looks like you are saying something here but it has no more *meaning* to it than the sentence "this sentence is false".

This is difficulty in understanding why valid-seeming constructions of words are sometimes nonsensical is exactly what drives all the confusion around myriad topics: fallacies are easy mistakes caused by *common* logical errors.
 
My God that butchery of chess though...

Let's imagine "block chess" for a moment, since chess is in the discussion now.

In "flat chess" imagine a board at the starting position. You will need to imagine it very vastly.

Now, in each of those squares, inside a thing white or black border, is an image, and *in that image*, there are a number of chess boards which operate the same way: each board depicts a move, starting with the move towards A1 and advancing towards A8 and then to H8 in order of preference, of each of the moves that piece "can" make: in the initial board, at E2, for instance, are two chess boards, the first containing an image with the pawn at E1 and the second at E2.

Like the bigger board, each square of these smaller boards has an image under each of the pieces. This continues in every board in every square recursively and exhaustively, such that the biggest chess board in fact contains an image of *all of chess* rendered in a perfectly deterministic way, through the "50 layers" of the "50 move rule" just so that we aren't treading on an infinite depth problem!

My point here, though, is that we can answer questions about what always happens or never happens on the board. We can say "no pinned knight has any moves at all". This is an absolute fact about the whole universe of flat chess. You can look at the board and see that it is true. You can perfectly correlate the contexts that brings this about to some leverage of one piece against another.

You can *see* the principle of alternate possibilities in action even in this deterministic system
You are assuming that Lessans is saying there are no alternate possibilities. We make choices by weighing possible options. This is what contemplation is all about; otherwise, we wouldn't have this attribute, but there is only one choice that can be made at any given moment in time. This is why it is so important to define terms so that everyone is on the same page. BTW, this author was a chess champ! :LOL:
Your cult leader thinks that there is no free will.
There isn't.
one choice that can be made at any given moment in time
And this in particular? This is a modal violation.
You can make two choices in a given moment? Show me where you can do this and also show me where this is a modal fallacy. Only one choice WILL be made at a given moment and *place* in spacetime,
but "can" doesn't handle specific points in space and time, it handles "general" cases, which means sets of disconnected points in space and tim
Only one choice CAN be made, sorry. We don't know which one but there is only one choice possible.
Can handles the subject who is making the choice in space and time. There are no disconnected points.
The very sentence is as invalid as a circular reference. It looks like you are saying something here but it has no more *meaning* to it than the sentence "this sentence is false".
It really isn't that difficult to understand what the author meant.
This is difficulty in understanding why valid-seeming constructions of words are sometimes nonsensical is exactly what drives all the confusion around myriad topics: fallacies are easy mistakes caused by *common* logical errors.

My God that butchery of chess though...

Let's imagine "block chess" for a moment, since chess is in the discussion now.

In "flat chess" imagine a board at the starting position. You will need to imagine it very vastly.

Now, in each of those squares, inside a thing white or black border, is an image, and *in that image*, there are a number of chess boards which operate the same way: each board depicts a move, starting with the move towards A1 and advancing towards A8 and then to H8 in order of preference, of each of the moves that piece "can" make: in the initial board, at E2, for instance, are two chess boards, the first containing an image with the pawn at E1 and the second at E2.

Like the bigger board, each square of these smaller boards has an image under each of the pieces. This continues in every board in every square recursively and exhaustively, such that the biggest chess board in fact contains an image of *all of chess* rendered in a perfectly deterministic way, through the "50 layers" of the "50 move rule" just so that we aren't treading on an infinite depth problem!

My point here, though, is that we can answer questions about what always happens or never happens on the board. We can say "no pinned knight has any moves at all". This is an absolute fact about the whole universe of flat chess. You can look at the board and see that it is true. You can perfectly correlate the contexts that brings this about to some leverage of one piece against another.

You can *see* the principle of alternate possibilities in action even in this deterministic system
You are assuming that Lessans is saying there are no alternate possibilities. We make choices by weighing possible options. This is what contemplation is all about; otherwise, we wouldn't have this attribute, but there is only one choice that can be made at any given moment in time. This is why it is so important to define terms so that everyone is on the same page. BTW, this author was a chess champ! :LOL:
Your cult leader thinks that there is no free will.
There isn't. And please stop the name-calling. Let's be civil, okay?
one choice that can be made at any given moment in time
And this in particular? This is a modal violation. Only one choice WILL be made at a given moment and *place* in spacetime, but "can" doesn't handle specific points in space and time, it handles "general" cases, which means sets of disconnected points in space and time.
First of all, it's not a modal violation. There is only one choice that CAN, not WILL be made. We cannot make more than one choice at a time. The choice that CAN be made WILL BE MADE. But it holds that there is only one choice that we can make if we are, in fact, deciding between alternatives. We cannot make more than one choice at any given point in time, and, more importantly, the choice we make is not a free one.
The very sentence is as invalid as a circular reference. It looks like you are saying something here but it has no more *meaning* to it than the sentence "this sentence is false".

This is difficulty in understanding why valid-seeming constructions of words are sometimes nonsensical is exactly what drives all the confusion around myriad topics: fallacies are easy mistakes caused by *common* logical errors.
Where is my logical error, and where is my construction nonsensical? I've hardly said anything yet. :shock:
 
My God that butchery of chess though...

Let's imagine "block chess" for a moment, since chess is in the discussion now.

In "flat chess" imagine a board at the starting position. You will need to imagine it very vastly.

Now, in each of those squares, inside a thing white or black border, is an image, and *in that image*, there are a number of chess boards which operate the same way: each board depicts a move, starting with the move towards A1 and advancing towards A8 and then to H8 in order of preference, of each of the moves that piece "can" make: in the initial board, at E2, for instance, are two chess boards, the first containing an image with the pawn at E1 and the second at E2.

Like the bigger board, each square of these smaller boards has an image under each of the pieces. This continues in every board in every square recursively and exhaustively, such that the biggest chess board in fact contains an image of *all of chess* rendered in a perfectly deterministic way, through the "50 layers" of the "50 move rule" just so that we aren't treading on an infinite depth problem!

My point here, though, is that we can answer questions about what always happens or never happens on the board. We can say "no pinned knight has any moves at all". This is an absolute fact about the whole universe of flat chess. You can look at the board and see that it is true. You can perfectly correlate the contexts that brings this about to some leverage of one piece against another.

You can *see* the principle of alternate possibilities in action even in this deterministic system
You are assuming that Lessans is saying there are no alternate possibilities. We make choices by weighing possible options. This is what contemplation is all about; otherwise, we wouldn't have this attribute, but there is only one choice that can be made at any given moment in time. This is why it is so important to define terms so that everyone is on the same page. BTW, this author was a chess champ! :LOL:
Your cult leader thinks that there is no free will.
Please stop with the name-calling. Don't you want a productive discussion?
one choice that can be made at any given moment in time
And this in particular? This is a modal violation. Only one choice WILL be made at a given moment and *place* in spacetime, but "can" doesn't handle specific points in space and time, it handles "general" cases, which means sets of disconnected points in space and time.
No, only one choice CAN be made, general or not. We cannot make more than one choice at any given moment in time, and that choice is not a free one.
The very sentence is as invalid as a circular reference. It looks like you are saying something here but it has no more *meaning* to it than the sentence "this sentence is false".
Where is it circular?
This is difficulty in understanding why valid-seeming constructions of words are sometimes nonsensical is exactly what drives all the confusion around myriad topics: fallacies are easy mistakes caused by *common* logical errors.
I'm not sure where there is a logical error in what I just said.
 
You can make two choices in a given moment
And again a modal violation.

"You can" deals with something that explicitly cannot be limited to "in a given moment". This is a valid-seeming but invalid construction of language.
 
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