“Revolution in Thought: A new look at determinism and free will"

[DBT]

Sorry, I can't make sense of it. Words/language is related to our experience of the world, which includes what we see, hear, feel or smell, an experience that is not radically altered by realizing that will is not free, where we still face the same challenges and basically respond according to our life experiences, our acquired understanding of the world.

Nobody thinks about free will when they act. We are presented with options or challenges in life and we respond, be it rationally or irrationally,
according to our genetic makeup and life experiences..... where change, for better or worse, is inevitable.

To transform human behaviour for the better would take a monumental event to unite us, rather than divide us, an event to inspire working together for the common good.

Or perhaps its just a Pipe Dream.

 

[peacegirl]

Sorry, I can't make sense of it. Words/language is related to our experience of the world, which includes what we see, hear, feel or smell, an experience that is not radically altered by realizing that will is not free, where we still face the same challenges and basically respond according to our life experiences, our acquired understanding of the world.

DBT, how would you know that the corollary to determinism would not have a major impact on human conduct if you haven't followed his reasoning?

Nobody thinks about free will when they act.

That is true. They just react to their environment. Part of their actions are based on what society tells them will occur if they act wrongly. The change in the environment based on no free will alters behavior in such a way that the desire to hurt others will no longer be (you need to read Chapter Two to understand why), given the fact that the hurt to them will be eliminated. This is the change that is inevitable once these principles are put into practice.

We are presented with options or challenges in life and we respond, be it rationally or irrationally,
according to our genetic makeup and life experiences..... where change, for better or worse, is inevitable.

Everything we do is inevitable, but with this knowledge, we are able to veer in a new direction.

By discovering this well-concealed law and demonstrating its power, a catalyst, so to speak, is introduced into human relations that compels a fantastic change in the direction our nature has been traveling, performing what will be called miracles, though they do not transcend the laws of nature. The same nature that permits the most heinous crimes and all the other evils of human relation is going to veer so sharply in a different direction that all nations on this planet, once the leaders and their subordinates understand the principles involved, will unite in such a way that no more wars will ever again be possible.

To transform human behaviour for the better would take a monumental event to unite us, rather than divide us, an event to inspire working together for the common good.

Or perhaps its just a Pipe Dream.

It's not a Pipe Dream. It can happen.

 

[DBT]

You need to clearly and concisely describe the knowledge that you say can transform human behaviour.

 

[peacegirl]

You need to clearly and concisely describe the knowledge that you say can transform human behaviour.

I’m asking you to please read the link I gave you. Then I can discuss all of the ramifications. This is the only way you’ll get a full picture of how this change in environment increases responsibility. In fact, the mere thought of hurting someone, under the changed conditions, becomes difficult to even contemplate, thereby preventing any action that could lead to what is not desired.

 

[aupmanyav]

Peacegirl said: "I’m asking you to please read the link I gave you."

Aup.: Most people will not do that even if you pay them to read. You need to give us an outline of your or the author's plan to change human behavior. If that is interesting, people will perhaps read it.

 

[peacegirl]

Peacegirl said: "I’m asking you to please read the link I gave you."

Aup.: Most people will not do that even if you pay them to read. You need to give us an outline of your or the author's plan to change human behavior. If that is interesting, people will perhaps read it.

If they have no curiosity after everything I’ve explained thus far, they probably never will read it. I’ve given more than I can possibly give without there being more questions due to the difficulty in reducing this work to a synopsis that would never do it justice. If they refuse to read, it’s their loss. I’m not invested in what they do.

 

[DBT]

You need to clearly and concisely describe the knowledge that you say can transform human behaviour.

I’m asking you to please read the link I gave you. Then I can discuss all of the ramifications. This is the only way you’ll get a full picture of how this change in environment increases responsibility. In fact, the mere thought of hurting someone, under the changed conditions, becomes difficult to even contemplate, thereby preventing any action that could lead to what is not desired.

I asked a specific question. 'Read the link doesn't address the question.' I have read some of what the authors has said, but haven't seen anything that addresses the question I asked.

I thought that having a deep understanding of his work, you could explain it clearly and concisely.

Please explain, don't just say 'read the link.'