Rise of White Supremacists stems from Trump or from Identity Politics?

[RavenSky]

No, this is not it. If anything, groups like BLM started as a reaction to white supremacists. Violent police in black communities, knuckleheads like George Zimmerman running around and shooting black people, etc.

Why is my post replying to this pro-#BLM post by Mumbles getting censored? Are only pro-#BLM posts allowed in PD any more, and anything critical of #BLM is now considered a "derail"?

This is BS Mumbles. Defend your opinions, do not censor people who disagree with you.

/courtesy notice from mod

 

[ZiprHead]

Hundreds of armed white people marching (without a permit, BTW) carrying semi-automatic weapons and torches, and not being bothered by the police is the height of white privilege.

I guess it would be if say, at least the majority of whites were truly supportive of such a blatant spectacle.

What has the amount of support got to do with it?

Do you think a group of black people doing the same would be handled in the same kid-glove manner?

[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/E6jzzh-FZgs[/YOUTUBE]

 

[sharon45]

The core of it is the mistreatment of us because we are different, and everybody should be able to empathize with that no matter who they are, white people included.

Yes, but also a purely imagined grand principle to that difference.

 

[sharon45]

"Identity politics" is a bullshit right-wing claim to begin with. It is like the "War on Christmas".

Oh? Then explain this to us. Why did your last election feature reporters never shutting up about the "black vote" and the "latino vote" and the "woman vote"?

Right, and not only that, but first it was considered that the election would be about the women vote, then later Latinos, and finally ending with whites, when the election tally is actually about the vote from all races taking part.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

"Identity politics" is a bullshit right-wing claim to begin with. It is like the "War on Christmas".

Oh? Then explain this to us. Why did your last election feature reporters never shutting up about the "black vote" and the "latino vote" and the "woman vote"?

Like why did they talk so much about Ohio, Iowa, and New Hampshire?

Why were actual issues and ideas so rarely discussed.

By Trump you mean?

 

[sharon45]

I guess it would be if say, at least the majority of whites were truly supportive of such a blatant spectacle.

What has the amount of support got to do with it?

Unless I misunderstand the term "privilege".

Do you think a group of black people doing the same would be handled in the same kid-glove manner?

I don't think that it would.

 

[ZiprHead]

Do you think a group of black people doing the same would be handled in the same kid-glove manner?

I don't think that it would.

Then I guess I don't understand your objection.

 

[NMN]

Yes, all was indeed nirvanah when white males only ruled and black people stayed in their places down on the plantation.

There are more blacks in prison for crimes today than there were enslaved blacks during the 1800s.

More black babies are killed today than ever died when blacks were enslaved.

If the "black community" (which liberals in this thread says doesn't exist... until Democrats need votes) keeps blaming whites for their own problems, the lives of blacks will never get better.

Conservatives want blacks to have better lives, liberals want blacks to live in filth so they always vote for Democrats.

 

[laughing dog]

Yes, all was indeed nirvanah when white males only ruled and black people stayed in their places down on the plantation.

There are more blacks in prison for crimes today than there were enslaved blacks during the 1800s.

So?

More black babies are killed today than ever died when blacks were enslaved.

So?

If the "black community" (which liberals in this thread says doesn't exist... until Democrats need votes) keeps blaming whites for their own problems, the lives of blacks will never get better.

What problems within the black community do you feel are exclusively "their own"?

Conservatives want blacks to have better lives, liberals want blacks to live in filth so they always vote for Democrats.

Your basis for this observation is...?

 

[Toni]

Yes, all was indeed nirvanah when white males only ruled and black people stayed in their places down on the plantation.

There are more blacks in prison for crimes today than there were enslaved blacks during the 1800s.

More black babies are killed today than ever died when blacks were enslaved.

If the "black community" (which liberals in this thread says doesn't exist... until Democrats need votes) keeps blaming whites for their own problems, the lives of blacks will never get better.

Conservatives want blacks to have better lives, liberals want blacks to live in filth so they always vote for Democrats.

You truly are just making shit up.

More than 10 Million blacks survived their abduction and trip to the Americas, less than 400,000 of whom initially ended up in the United States.

By 1808, the importation of additional black slaves was banned, at which point there were about 400,000 black slaves in the United States. By the 1860's, that population had boomed to 3.9 Million.

Hard to support that more black slave babies died then.

Oh, as of July 29, 2017, just over 70,000 of the inmates in federal prison are black.

 

[OLDMAN]

"I am proud to be black " said the black man.
"I am proud to be Asian" said the Chinese women.
"I am proud to be white" said the racist.

If the only people saying they are proud to be white is skinheads, then I guess this is true.

Yet there is no real reason to be proud of what race you merely happen to be from, but you certainly should not be ashamed of it either.

I just assumed they were proud of their race's accomplishments, and not their actual skin colour.

"I am proud to be a white who tans dark in the summer", said oldman.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Some of it, and I think a lot of it, may stem from the recent upsurge of minority identity politics that we have seen so much of with the rise of the regressive left, with groups like PRIDE and Black Lives Matter (usually created with the best of intentions; sometimes engaging in questionable tactics),

Disagree---I do not think BLM was created with good intentions. Rather, it was created by agitators who get their power from maintaining the conflict. The rank and file joined with good intentions, though.

with media focus during elections always on the "black vote", "latino vote", "woman vote", etc, as if we are supposed to vote by race or gender instead of ideology. It shouldn't be a huge surprise that white pride rises with white identity politics, and it it shouldn't be a huge surprise that white identity politics rise when people keep pointing at white identity (everything from "white privilege" accusations, to the silly videos online like "dear white people").

I'm sure some of it is backlash. How much I don't even want to try to guess.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Nothing ignorant about trying to help black people out of poverty.

And no whites need be offended.

But it is incredibly ignorant to think you are superior because your skin burns more easily.

Helping people out of poverty is a laudable goal. However, at present there is basically none of that happening. Virtually all the benefits of affirmative action are going to those who aren't in poverty in the first place.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I guess it would be if say, at least the majority of whites were truly supportive of such a blatant spectacle.

What has the amount of support got to do with it?

Do you think a group of black people doing the same would be handled in the same kid-glove manner?

[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/E6jzzh-FZgs[/YOUTUBE]

I pointed out the problem with this piece of crap when it was first posted. It has lost none of it's resemblance to fertilizer since then. The author of this piece of excrement was not interested in the truth, he was interested in portraying the police as picking on blacks.

Note the white guy is carrying the gun on his back, the black guy is carrying it close to his hand. The former is a common way to transport a gun, the latter is a position of someone expecting they might actually need the gun on very short notice (say, a soldier on patrol.) Of course the cops had a very different reaction!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There are more blacks in prison for crimes today than there were enslaved blacks during the 1800s.

More black babies are killed today than ever died when blacks were enslaved.

If the "black community" (which liberals in this thread says doesn't exist... until Democrats need votes) keeps blaming whites for their own problems, the lives of blacks will never get better.

Conservatives want blacks to have better lives, liberals want blacks to live in filth so they always vote for Democrats.

You truly are just making shit up.

More than 10 Million blacks survived their abduction and trip to the Americas, less than 400,000 of whom initially ended up in the United States.

By 1808, the importation of additional black slaves was banned, at which point there were about 400,000 black slaves in the United States. By the 1860's, that population had boomed to 3.9 Million.

Hard to support that more black slave babies died then.

Oh, as of July 29, 2017, just over 70,000 of the inmates in federal prison are black.

I'm going to grant him one assumption: that by "killed" he's counting abortion.

There are 660k/yr abortions in the US (2013, from Wikipedia). 41% of these are to black women (2012, KFF) That means 270k black abortions. Counting twins brings this up to 274k.

I find it very unlikely that 274k/yr black babies were killed in the era of slavery.

 

[Mumbles]

There are more blacks in prison for crimes today than there were enslaved blacks during the 1800s.

More black babies are killed today than ever died when blacks were enslaved.

If the "black community" (which liberals in this thread says doesn't exist... until Democrats need votes) keeps blaming whites for their own problems, the lives of blacks will never get better.

The "black community" has been working on this for centuries now. And yes, some white people are part of the problem. The Ferguson PD, and many other PDs, act like a white supremacist industry that act to drain wealth and make it harder for black people to obtain employment, and we know this, and a lot of y'all call any attempt to change this "coddling crime" or "terrorism". The data strongly suggests that it's lead that leads to violent crime, and a lot of y'all don't want help pay to clean it up to clean it up.

Conservatives want blacks to have better lives, liberals want blacks to live in filth so they always vote for Democrats.

"conservatives" want nothing of the sort. If you did, you wouldn't have put a white nationalist in the White House, now would you? You wouldn't call our economic and health issues "identity politics", now would you?

 

[Mumbles]

Now, here's the real reason for the rise of white supremacists, in one photo:

 

[Harry Bosch]

There are more blacks in prison for crimes today than there were enslaved blacks during the 1800s.

More black babies are killed today than ever died when blacks were enslaved.

If the "black community" (which liberals in this thread says doesn't exist... until Democrats need votes) keeps blaming whites for their own problems, the lives of blacks will never get better.

Conservatives want blacks to have better lives, liberals want blacks to live in filth so they always vote for Democrats.

You truly are just making shit up.

More than 10 Million blacks survived their abduction and trip to the Americas, less than 400,000 of whom initially ended up in the United States.

By 1808, the importation of additional black slaves was banned, at which point there were about 400,000 black slaves in the United States. By the 1860's, that population had boomed to 3.9 Million.

Hard to support that more black slave babies died then.

Oh, as of July 29, 2017, just over 70,000 of the inmates in federal prison are black.

I think that NMN just got schooled a little!

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Now, here's the real reason for the rise of white supremacists, in one photo:

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A great President.

 

[Toni]

You truly are just making shit up.

More than 10 Million blacks survived their abduction and trip to the Americas, less than 400,000 of whom initially ended up in the United States.

By 1808, the importation of additional black slaves was banned, at which point there were about 400,000 black slaves in the United States. By the 1860's, that population had boomed to 3.9 Million.

Hard to support that more black slave babies died then.

Oh, as of July 29, 2017, just over 70,000 of the inmates in federal prison are black.

I'm going to grant him one assumption: that by "killed" he's counting abortion.

There are 660k/yr abortions in the US (2013, from Wikipedia). 41% of these are to black women (2012, KFF) That means 270k black abortions. Counting twins brings this up to 274k.

I find it very unlikely that 274k/yr black babies were killed in the era of slavery.

You have got Tobe fucking kidding.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

The core of it is the mistreatment of us because we are different, and everybody should be able to empathize with that no matter who they are, white people included.

Yes, but also a purely imagined grand principle to that difference.

What does "Imagined grand principle to that difference" mean? You've lost me.

Right, and not only that, but first it was considered that the election would be about the women vote, then later Latinos, and finally ending with whites, when the election tally is actually about the vote from all races taking part.

And people of all ideologies, worldviews, ideas, walks of life, and perspectives. We need to stop thinking everybody can be put in a box because of how they look or who they are attracted to or what genitals they have.