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Rod Rosenstein Suggested Recording Trump And Invoking 25th Amendment: Report

https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...record-his-conversations-with-trump/23535404/

To my point of view, Rod Rosenstein is obviously a member of the deep state, somehow able to out lie Trump (and that takes some doing).

I have never had any relationship with Russia in my life. Never known any Russians, nor ever had any conversations with any of them. Yet I would honestly say, that if I was POTUS and Rod Rosenstein was working for me and/or in charge of a Russia panel to remove myself from office; I would be attempting to get rid of him in any manner I could. The guy obviously has no honor what so ever. He is a proven lair as well.

So my question for Loren (and others who are Trump haters). Why is it so unreasonable for Trump to want to put down this fake Russia probe? It is obviously simply a ploy to illegally remove him as president. And why would you believe it is so irrational for any sitting president to want such an investigation brought down? To me, it is simply rational behavior for anyone including Trump. Because even if you hate Trump, this investigation is simply there for a soft coup of the president.

If this isn't the definition of tyranny, I don't know what is.

At worse, he just made a joke about this. I think that your side is blowing this out of proportion to fire all those who favor the law over loyalty to Trump. I'm sorry but government officials swear oaths to the constitution and the country; not to Trumpshit.
 
I don't do twitter, but for anyone who does and tweets about Mr. Marmalade, may I suggest using the hashtag #TFA which, according to Omarosa, is commonly used among WH staff (meaning 25th Amendment).
 
https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...record-his-conversations-with-trump/23535404/

To my point of view, Rod Rosenstein is obviously a member of the deep state, somehow able to out lie Trump (and that takes some doing).

I have never had any relationship with Russia in my life. Never known any Russians, nor ever had any conversations with any of them. Yet I would honestly say, that if I was POTUS and Rod Rosenstein was working for me and/or in charge of a Russia panel to remove myself from office; I would be attempting to get rid of him in any manner I could. The guy obviously has no honor what so ever. He is a proven lair as well.

So my question for Loren (and others who are Trump haters). Why is it so unreasonable for Trump to want to put down this fake Russia probe? It is obviously simply a ploy to illegally remove him as president. And why would you believe it is so irrational for any sitting president to want such an investigation brought down? To me, it is simply rational behavior for anyone including Trump. Because even if you hate Trump, this investigation is simply there for a soft coup of the president.

If this isn't the definition of tyranny, I don't know what is.

I honestly have trouble keeping your logic straight. If it's all "fake news" and Rosenstein denies the allegations (which he is doing), then why would the president need to do anything to his Deputy AG? And if it's all "fake news" that there was any collusion with Russia, why wouldn't the president be willing to testify and allow the probe to come to the same conclusion? Are we sure that the only guy telling the truth in this scenario is the one individual who, to date, has the greatest propensity for lying?

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To my point of view, Rod Rosenstein is obviously a member of the deep state

There is no such thing as the "deep state." One is rapidly being formed, of course, in response to Trumputin and due almost exclusively to all of the deliberately self-fulfilling bullshit about a "deep state" that has been carefully crafted over the years and triggered now for precisely this kind of situation, but that's a different matter.

Let me qualify this. There has ALWAYS been a "deep state" shadow government in a disorganized, lazy sense of that term, meaning the men behind the throne; those in various positions of power and in various delusions of power. But it's ludicrous to call that a thing like it's in any way effective in the sense you mean. It's never been focused or unified; always a crapshoot of corruption that leans one way (toward the rich), but on par it's a fevered boogeyman.

Republicans (aka, the sociopathic rich) are the only state that exists and everyone else is trying to stop them from skullfucking the world. That is the only state there has ever existed for thousands of years. Petty little limpdicked powermongers and their pathetic amoral sycophants and then everyone else trying to stop them from fucking us all in the ass.

What's going on now is that Trump came in a criminal thinking he's a mob boss and not understanding that he's got tiny tiny hands in a land of huge fucking hands. He's being served his just dessert and if he doesn't OD on whatever the fuck barbiturates he's clearly power-chugging every morning, he'll resign the second he can't weasel his way any further.

He is a massive coward who has just never had to actually take responsibility for anything he's ever done. Until now. And he can't believe--but is being forced to believe--that he finally got caught and Daddy isn't around to bail him out.

There is certainly a deep state in the sense that there is a bureaucracy that exists that doesn't and isn't cycled out every election. Of course, this isn't sinister, but merely a normal functioning government.
 
I'm sure you would, especially if you were a corrupt, kompromatted, money-grubbing, self-dealing conman who got elected by accepting help from a despot who was intent on destroying American democracy. Like Trump is.

Other than the fact that Rosenstein is trying to get at the truth about Trump and his foreign "supporters", what makes you think he's a "member" of some Deep State? I don't think you'd be singing that tune if it was say, Obama who was evidently conspiring with Russians to seize and maintain power over the US that he was investigating.



...which makes you almost as well qualified as Cheato to declare that an investigation (which has already indicted, convicted and jailed people involved) into Russian activities, is a witch hunt. Lotta witches all around President Fuckface, wouldn't you say?

FWIW, I'd say that tyranny would be better defined by action such as kidnapping thousands of children, neglecting thousands of citizens, leaving them to die in the aftermath of natural disaster, militarizing every aspect of society from demonstrations to classrooms, persecuting people for their ethnicity etc..
Investigating a traitor for treason is hardly tyrannical. But that was a real good troll, Vonse.

1. I voted for both Obama and Trump. And very glad that they both won.

2. I get that Trump haters think Trump is the worse thing that could have ever happened to this country. I know because I sort of felt that way when Bush 2 got elected. But do you really want a shadow lying government who's purpose is to decide who is worthy to serve as president? Because if that is the case, why do we even bother to pretend to vote if people like Rosenstein are there to decide who is to be our president?

3. Can you guys possibly separate the people involved by what the structure of government that is supposed to be in place? Small things like rule of law for example. Is this really how a representative republic is supposed to function? Because to me it looks more like a shadow government that secretly runs everything.

The 25th amendment is the law of the land, RVonse. Talking about invoking it, if the circumstances are appropriate, is upholding the constitution and therefore the law. Those in government take an oath to uphold the constitution. They do not swear loyalty to a person.
 
I honestly have trouble keeping your logic straight. If it's all "fake news" and Rosenstein denies the allegations (which he is doing), then why would the president need to do anything to his Deputy AG? And if it's all "fake news" that there was any collusion with Russia, why wouldn't the president be willing to testify and allow the probe to come to the same conclusion? Are we sure that the only guy telling the truth in this scenario is the one individual who, to date, has the greatest propensity for lying?

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Lets leave Trump out of this for a moment. After all, Trump will eventually come and go one way or the other.

The NYT is saying Rosenstein was against the president from the beginning. More than enough grounds to fire someone IMO. Your subordinates don't have to be giving you blow jobs everyday, but you should at least expect them to not be stabbing you in the back at every opportunity. And yes, in politics loyalty is everything.
 
In regards to the OP, the first thing I have to ask is, do you understand that our president isn't supposed to be a dictator, and that we have always had what is supposed to be checks and balances on the Executive Branch?

Do you ever read actual, respected sources of news? Trump loves to denigrate the NYTimes, but it's one of the few news sources that is widely respected by all Western Democracies and it's journalists win a lot of awards for their outstanding investigative journalism. Sure, it's not perfect, but it's far more accurate than most news sources. If you only watch Fox or listen to far right pundits, I can see how you would come to your conclusions. But, as some have already mentioned, many of those close to Trump have already confessed to wrong doing or have had charges brought against them. Do you honestly think this was some type of plot?

I don't even hate Trump, but I think he's obviously unfit to be president, and to me, it's obvious that he has no moral compass. I think he suffers from mental illness, and he is virtually ignorant of how government works, in regards to both domestic and foreign policy. I grew up in the NY City area and still have family there. We were well aware of all the sleazy deals, frequent bankruptcies and constant lying that this man has been guilty of since he started his career. He is known to cheat people. He's basically like a used car salesman that lies about the vehicles he sells.

Please explain to us how it is that you can look at all the evidence that points to his guilt and incompetency and still think he's a competent, honest president. Is it simply because you may have personally benefitted, at least for now, from one of his policies and that has clouded your mind? I don't mean that as an insult. I am honestly trying to figure out how someone can view all the evidence regarding his dishonesty and incompetency and still think he's a good president.
 
I honestly have trouble keeping your logic straight. If it's all "fake news" and Rosenstein denies the allegations (which he is doing), then why would the president need to do anything to his Deputy AG? And if it's all "fake news" that there was any collusion with Russia, why wouldn't the president be willing to testify and allow the probe to come to the same conclusion? Are we sure that the only guy telling the truth in this scenario is the one individual who, to date, has the greatest propensity for lying?

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Lets leave Trump out of this for a moment. After all, Trump will eventually come and go one way or the other.

The NYT is saying Rosenstein was against the president from the beginning. More than enough grounds to fire someone IMO. Your subordinates don't have to be giving you blow jobs everyday, but you should at least expect them to not be stabbing you in the back at every opportunity. And yes, in politics loyalty is everything.

Is or is not the NYT 'fake news'? If they are, why would this be grounds to fire anyone? If they are not, why wouldn't past reporting on several Trump abominations also be true? I don't get it. How badly do we have to twist reality to in order to truthfully deliver the message that the NYT is not to be trusted to report on reality - except in this one instance where Trump might find justification in firing the one person in charge of the investigation against him?

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The NYT is saying Rosenstein was against the president from the beginning. More than enough grounds to fire someone IMO. Your subordinates don't have to be giving you blow jobs everyday, but you should at least expect them to not be stabbing you in the back at every opportunity. And yes, in politics loyalty is everything.

Apart from the minor detail the article says nothing of the sort, you would be right. Also, I would fucking well expect as a bare minimum from an appointed official that their first obligation is to perform the role they were instructed to do than to any one person. The expectation should be different between elected officials and appointed ones.

Also, why aren't you criticizing the person who put Rosenstein in such a role in the first place? Clearly that shows, by your logic, that person is either a) incompetent at making decisions, or b) part of this deep state you keep mentioning.
 
https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...record-his-conversations-with-trump/23535404/

To my point of view, Rod Rosenstein is obviously a member of the deep state, somehow able to out lie Trump (and that takes some doing).

I have never had any relationship with Russia in my life. Never known any Russians, nor ever had any conversations with any of them. Yet I would honestly say, that if I was POTUS and Rod Rosenstein was working for me and/or in charge of a Russia panel to remove myself from office; I would be attempting to get rid of him in any manner I could. The guy obviously has no honor what so ever. He is a proven lair as well.

So my question for Loren (and others who are Trump haters). Why is it so unreasonable for Trump to want to put down this fake Russia probe? It is obviously simply a ploy to illegally remove him as president. And why would you believe it is so irrational for any sitting president to want such an investigation brought down? To me, it is simply rational behavior for anyone including Trump. Because even if you hate Trump, this investigation is simply there for a soft coup of the president.

If this isn't the definition of tyranny, I don't know what is.

The problem with this is we see no fake Russia probe.

Russia is real.

The probe is real.

What they are investigating is almost certainly real.

At a minimum, Russia meddled. It's very possible we elected a Manchurian candidate.
 
2. I get that Trump haters think Trump is the worse thing that could have ever happened to this country. I know because I sort of felt that way when Bush 2 got elected. But do you really want a shadow lying government who's purpose is to decide who is worthy to serve as president? Because if that is the case, why do we even bother to pretend to vote if people like Rosenstein are there to decide who is to be our president?

I want Congress to do it's job and remove him from office. Barring that, I prefer the current situation to the nuclear war that would have already happened otherwise.

3. Can you guys possibly separate the people involved by what the structure of government that is supposed to be in place? Small things like rule of law for example. Is this really how a representative republic is supposed to function? Because to me it looks more like a shadow government that secretly runs everything.

No. Use the 25th!
 
Edit: not to mention the fact that Washington leaks like a rusty canoe. If there was a "shadow government" we would already know because humans suck ass at maintaining conspiracy, especially in an oppositional environment like Washington (or any government for that matter). Whenever a truest large, well-heeled conspiracy has ever been turned up, it has been something like Operation Snow White, where an outside actor was trying to attack, rather than any of the standard players; and let's not forget OSW was perpetrated by a cult that openly brainwashes and blackmails their members to maintain compliance--and even that operation was compromised.

If you see conspiracies in the world like new world orders or shadow governments as a citizen not even involved in said government, you need to find a reliable psychiatrist and get some anti-psychotics, end of story.

In a sense we do have a shadow government now--the people who are stopping the worst of His Flatulence's insanity.
 
Edit: not to mention the fact that Washington leaks like a rusty canoe. If there was a "shadow government" we would already know because humans suck ass at maintaining conspiracy, especially in an oppositional environment like Washington (or any government for that matter). Whenever a truest large, well-heeled conspiracy has ever been turned up, it has been something like Operation Snow White, where an outside actor was trying to attack, rather than any of the standard players; and let's not forget OSW was perpetrated by a cult that openly brainwashes and blackmails their members to maintain compliance--and even that operation was compromised.

If you see conspiracies in the world like new world orders or shadow governments as a citizen not even involved in said government, you need to find a reliable psychiatrist and get some anti-psychotics, end of story.

In a sense we do have a shadow government now--the people who are stopping the worst of His Flatulence's insanity.

Except there is nothing "shadowy" about that. Everyone is being pretty above board on what they are about.
 
And now Rosenstein has offered to resign. Motherfuckers.

No he has not. This story was broken by someone in the White House (read: one of trump's kronies) to distract from the ford testimony and muddy waters before Trump attempted to fire him. RR has already said this is false. There is a meeting scheduled for Thursday, which is a further attempt to distract from the ford testimony. RR has stated emphatically that he is NOT going to resign.

This is a clear attempt at political distraction to the effect of enabling the Kavanaugh nomination to proceed. DO NOT LET THIS DISTRACT YOU.
 
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