Roe v Wade is on deck

[southernhybrid]

MSNBC just showed several of the current justices on the Right being asked about their position on Roe v Wade, prior to be approved for SCOTUS. Even Thomas said that he had no opinion on RvW, as it was a long settled. Some in Congress are suggesting that these assholes lied under oath. Not that it's going anywhere, but it does appear as if we have a bunch of liars on the court. Barrett was the only one who almost admitted that she might agree to overturn RvW.

How did we allow the Evilangelicals to have so much influence? Complacency? What about all the young people who are celebrating the decision, calling themselves the "pro life generation". Wow. Those of us who were young adults prior to Roe v Wade have a better understanding of how this impacts the freedom of women.

 

[ZiprHead]

The chief prosecutor in Flint said he is not going to use his limited resources to prosecute women and doctors for their healthcare choices.

 

[ZiprHead]

Don't pregnant women concealed carry for the first few months?

 

[lpetrich]

Supreme Court overturns constitutional right to abortion - SCOTUSblog

The vote to overturn Roe was 5-4. Justices Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett joined Alito’s opinion. Chief Justice John Roberts did not join the opinion. He agreed with the majority that the Mississippi abortion restriction at issue in the case should be upheld, but in a separate opinion, he argued that the court should not have overturned Roe.

The court’s three liberals, Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan, filed a joint dissent.

Still no comparison to the leaked draft of the decision.

Roberts agreed with the decision to uphold the Mississippi law, but he would have done so without formally overruling Roe and Casey. Echoing a position that he took at the oral argument (which then, as now, did not seem to attract any other supporters), Roberts would have allowed states to continue to regulate abortion without regard to whether the fetus has become viable – that is, the point at which it can survive outside the womb. In Casey, the court ruled that states may not ban abortions after the point of viability, which is typically considered to be at 22 to 24 weeks of pregnancy.

The right to terminate a pregnancy, Roberts reasoned, should “extend far enough to ensure a reasonable opportunity to choose, but need not extend any further.” But the court could and should, Roberts wrote, “leave for another day whether to reject any right to an abortion at all.”

So he thought that RvW was a separate issue from that Mississippi case.

In a rare joint dissent, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan pushed back against the majority’s characterization of the decision as leaving the issue of abortion to the states. Friday’s ruling, they cautioned, is likely to have a “geographically expansive” effect, as states may pass laws that include restrictions on traveling out of state to obtain abortions. “Most threatening of all,” they added, nothing in the majority’s decision “stops the Federal Government from prohibiting abortions nationwide, once again from the moment of conception and without exceptions for rape and incest.”

“Whatever the scope of the coming laws,” they concluded, “one result of today’s decision is certain: the curtailment of women’s rights, and of their status as free and equal citizens.”

 

[lpetrich]

Louisiana Attorney General Jeff Landry "... Louisiana’s trigger law banning abortion is now in effect."

Gov. Noem and Legislative Leaders Announce Plans for Special Session to Save Lives, Help Mothers - of the legislature

On the other side,
Governor JB Pritzker on Twitter: "(pix link)" / Twitter - will call a special session of the legislature for reproductive health rights

In Illinois, we've planned for this terrible day, an enormous step backward and a shattering loss of rights. We passed the Reproductive Health Act, enshrining choice as the law of the land in Illinois. We removed the trigger law that would have prohibited abortion in Illinois with the overturning of Roe V Wade. We expanded health care so that finances are not a barrier to receiving reproductive care.

President Joe Biden in an address from the White House:

“The court has done what it has never done done before: expressly take away a constitutional right that is so fundamental to so many Americans,” Biden said in a speech from the White House. “It’s a sad day for the court and for the country.”

“Now with Roe gone, let’s be very clear, the health and life of women in this nation are now at risk.”

"Voters need to make their voices heard. This fall, they must elect more senators and representatives who codify woman’s right to choose in the federal law once again, elect more state leaders to protect this right at the local level. We need to restore the protections of Roe as law of the land. We need to elect officials who will do that. This fall, Roe is on the ballot. Personal freedoms are on the ballot. The right to privacy, liberty equality. They’re all on the ballot."

"I will do all in my power to protect a woman’s right in states where they will face the consequences of today’s decision. Now, the court’s decision casts a dark shadow over large swaths of the land, many states in this country still recognize a woman’s right to choose. So a woman lives in a state that restricts abortion, the supreme court’s decision does not prevent her from traveling from her home state to the state that allows it, does not prevent a doctor in that state from treating her."

Biden warned that, “Any state or local official, high or low, tries to interfere with a woman’s exercising their basic right to travel, I will do everything in my power to fight that deeply unamerican attack.”

He also said he was directing the health and human services department to ensure abortion pills “are available to the fullest extent possible.”

"The conservative majority of the supreme court shows how extreme it is, how far removed they are from the majority of this country. It made the United States an outlier among developed nations in the world. But this decision must not be the final word. My administration will use all of its appropriate lawful powers. Congress must act. But with your vote, you can act. You can have the final word. This is not over."

From Roe v Wade overturned as supreme court strikes down federal right to abortion – live

 

[lpetrich]

Trump Privately Called a Roe v. Wade Reversal ‘Bad’ for His Party - The New York Times - "Publicly, former President Donald J. Trump had been remarkably tight-lipped. But privately, he worried the decision could lead to a backlash in the midterms."

The decision, Mr. Trump has told friends and advisers, will anger suburban women, a group who helped tilt the 2020 presidential race to Joseph R. Biden Jr., and will lead to a backlash against Republicans in the November midterm elections.

His advisers had encouraged Mr. Trump to keep quiet about the issue until a ruling was issued, in part to ensure he was not accused of trying to influence the decision. Still, the contrast between Mr. Trump and conservatives who have heralded the decision and who worked in his administration, such as former Vice President Mike Pence, has been striking. On Friday morning, Mr. Pence issued a statement saying, “Life won,” as he called for abortion opponents to keep fighting “in every state in the land.”

"As 150 or so Democratic lawmakers joined angry protesters in front of the Supreme Court in Washington, plans emerged for scores of marches in towns and cities across the country."

Mike Bloomberg on Twitter: "The Supreme Court’s ruling is the worst attack on the rights of American women in generations – but it will not be the final word. We must make our voices heard at the ballot box." / Twitter
and from The Guardian,

Yelp’s cofounder Jeremey Stoppelman said the ruling puts “health in jeopardy, denies them their human rights, and threatens to dismantle the progress we’ve made toward gender equality in the workplace since Roe. Business leaders must speak out now and call on Congress to codify Roe into law.”

Many large US companies including Citigroup, Amazon, Apple and Tesla have pledged to provide travel assistance to employees who are in states that restrict abortions. The reaction from Republicans has been fierce with some threatening to cancel government contracts if they follow through with the plans.

The Walt Disney said it would cover employee travel expenses for abortions in light of the Supreme Court’s decision.

Which poses a dilemma for the Republican Party.

 

[Derec]

WTF is that supposed to mean?

It means that elections have consequences.
Hillary "Vote For Me Because I Am a Woman" Clinton lost an election because she was a horrible candidate and had too big an ego to recognize that and not seek the presidency.

DNC deserves their share of blame for deciding to make the 2016 primaries a coronation for Hillary "It's My Turn" Clinton which caused possible mainstream candidates to not throw their hat in the ring.

If the Hillary haters had rubbed two sticks together to get a spark of insight and voted for Hillary over Phony Soprano none of this shit would be happening.

She was an unpopular candidate with high negatives. That is not the fault of voters. Do you really think she was the best candidate Dems could have put forward in 2016?

Or do you like what is happening?

I definitely do not in terms of the outcome. I think abortion should be generally legal. However, I do understand that the legal reasoning behind Roe (i.e. "emanations from the penumbrae") was always iffy and contrived.

 

[lpetrich]

"Medical experts have also decried the Dobbs opinion as threatening the health and autonomy of patients nationwide."

Kevin McCarthy, leader of the Republicans in the House of Representatives, has cheered the supreme court’s ruling, calling it “the most important pro-life ruling in American history”.

Gavin Newsom on Twitter: "The Supreme Court has stripped women of their liberty and let red states replace it with mandated birth.
This is an attack on American freedom.
CA, OR and WA are creating the West Coast offensive. A road map for other states to stand up for women.
Time to fight like hell.
(vid link)" / Twitter
Showing CA Gov Gavin Newsom, OR Gov Kate Brown, and WA Gov Jay Inslee making statements about their plans, like make their states available to people from out of state, and protect that access from out-of-state prosecutors, law enforcement, and vigilantes.

From The Guardian:

Where are abortions now banned?

In nine states, bans on abortion took effect today, following the ruling. These states include: Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Utah and Wisconsin.

In other states, bans on abortions in most cases will take effect in 30 days. And in some others, legislatures and legal bodies will determine how to proceed – convening to legislate new restrictions, or provide guidance on previously unenforceable abortion restrictions.

 

[Artemus]

Sounds like gay rights, right to contraception and other such rights will also come under threat:

After Roe reversal, gay rights and contraception could be next, says Justice Thomas

“In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court's substantive due process precedents,” conservative Justice Clarence Thomas's concurring opinion reads.

fortune.com

You'd better also reconsider interracial marriage while you're at it, Clarence. Otherwise people will think you're a hypocrite.

 

[Derec]

It just means that any time Derec can invent a way to dig at a woman who is strong, intelligent, well educated and accomplished, he’ll give it a try.

Hillary is the most overrated politician of her generation, if not ever. People keep exaggerating her accomplishments (like calling her the most qualified presidential candidate ever even though that is not even remotely true) or her intellect (I have not seen much evidence she is smarter than those around her). I wonder why so much defensiveness over her.

Face it, she was a horrible candidate with a bad strategy. She would have been heads and shoulders a better president than the Orange Menace, but that is not saying much.

In motorsports they have a saying: "in order to finish first, first you must finish". In politics it's: "in order to have a chance to govern, first you must win your election".

And fail, of course.

Not even close.

 

[Artemus]

Hard to believe a multi-term US senator could be so naive and trusting.

Interesting, she doesn't say it is inconsistent with what Justices Alito,r Roberts or Barrett said in their testimony and meetings with her. Which means she really should explain how the fuck she decides to confirm SCOTUS nominees.

She also said "Donald Trump learned his lesson" to justify not voting to convict him in the first impeachment trial. She's a fucking idiot.

 

[Derec]

Last time I checked, she didn't appoint any SCOTUS justices.

That's the point.

Also, she didn't support the Trump presidency.

She also failed to beat him, Trump. To make a F1 metaphor, she was leading the Monaco Grand Prix and went straight on in St. Devote starting the last lap.

It'd be thanks, if anything, in part to Nadar voters in Florida and those that didn't turnout to vote in Florida in 2000 and people that didn't turn out to vote in 2016.

More like Jill Stein than Nader, who contributed to Hillary's loss. Also Dems' strategy to not focus enough on Midwestern states until the very end is probably the biggest contributing factor, after Hillary being a generally weak candidate. Major unrests that had started in 2014 and continued through 2016 played a role for sure.

I suppose the good news is that we don't have to listen to people bitching about why the woman should be able to choose an abortion without the sperm donator's say.

Abortion will still be legal in many states.

 

[lpetrich]

Sam Levin on Twitter: "@fjp_org DAs pledging not to prosecute abortion in states with trigger laws + bans include officials in St Louis, MO; Jefferson Co in Alabama; Dallas, Travis, Bexar, Nueces, Fort Bend counties in Texas; Genesee, Hinds, Washtenaw, Ingham, Marquette counties in Mich; and Hinds County, Miss (pic link)" / Twitter
AL, MI, MO, MS, TX

Senator Lisa Murkowski, R-AK: "I am continuing to work with a broader group to restore women’s freedom to control their own health decisions wherever they live. Legislation to accomplish that must be a priority."

She's got her work cut out for her - she must get at least 10 Senate Republicans on her side, along with every Senate Democrat.

During a press conference held this afternoon, California governor Gavin Newsom signed new legislation codifying the state’s commitment to ensure safe access to abortion care for those outside its borders."

...
California’s new law quashes civil judgements from states hostile to abortion that have sought to bar their residents from traveling to places where reproductive care is legal. Signaling that this is just the first of a dozen pieces of legislation that will cross the governor’s desk in the coming weeks, Newsom emphasized that the state will do all it can to serve as a safe-haven while protecting its own residents from what he cast as profound hypocrisy from the highest court in the nation.

“This is not just about women. This is not just about choice” Newsom said, nodding to the erosion of rights outlined for by Justice Clarence Thomas in his concurring opinion, calling for reevaluation of precedents upholding same-sex marriage and contraception. “This is a serious moment in American history,” Newsom continued. “This moment punctuates what is really going on this country and they are just winding up.”

Kim “FIGHT LIKE HELLOut Now!” Kelly on Twitter: "Big ol crowd of protestors out here in front of Philadelphia’s City Hall (and a lot of cute dogs) (vid link)" / Twitter

 

[Toni]

It just means that any time Derec can invent a way to dig at a woman who is strong, intelligent, well educated and accomplished, he’ll give it a try.

Hillary is the most overrated politician of her generation. People keep exaggerating her accomplishments (like calling her the most qualified presidential candidate ever even though that is not even remotely true) or her intellect (I have not seen much evidence she is smarter than those around her). I wonder why so much defensiveness over her.

Face it, she was a horrible candidate with a bad strategy. She would have been heads and shoulders a better president than the Orange Menace, but that is not saying much.

In motorsports they have a saying: "in order to finish first, first you must finish". In politics it's: "in order to have a chance to govern, first you must win your election".

And fail, of course.

Not even close.

This doesn't explain why you decided to insert your personal opinion about Clinton into this thread.

 

[Derec]

This doesn't explain why you decided to insert your personal opinion about Clinton into this thread.

Because, as I said, elections have consequences. And Dems deciding to coronate Hillary cost them 2016 and three SCOTUS appointments.

There is a causal chain.
Hillary loses to Trump --> Trump nominates three justices --> RvW overturned

 

[Derec]

Bernie convinced enough voters that Clinton was too conservative, wooden, and warhawkish to vote for. Trump won.

But it is his right to challenge a heiress apparent to the nomination, and challenge her on her record and her views. If she can't handle Bernie, how could anybody expect her to handle Trump?

Iron sharpens iron, but dulls a softer metal.

 

[Politesse]

Abortion will still be legal in many states.

Say the very same people who swore over their mother's graves that Roe would not be overturned in our lifetimes.

You'd have to be a true idiot to imagine that the legislators won't at least be trying to institute a national ban on abortions, or at least national harassment of abortion providers, as soon as possible and as often as possible. And this Court has signaled that it is willing to overturn almost any precedent on moral grounds.

I do hope these conservative fuckers remember, the next time we have a left-leaning Court, that they were the ones to destroy judicial precedent. They never stop to think whether the anti-democratic policies they promote could be turned against them at some future date...

 

[TomC]

Hillary is the most overrated politician of her generation.

What generation were you referring to, certainly not one that includes Donald J Trump!

Trump has never won a popular election.
Not ever!

He is the first one term president to get in office since 1988.

I'm not sure what you mean by "overrated". Hillary won a Senate seat representing Trump in 2000. She got the most votes in the presidential election in 2016.

Seriously, if you think she's the most overrated politician in a generation, where does that put Donald J Trump?
Biggest Loser in U.S. politics in a generation? Never won an election when the American voters could express their opinions? Most corrupt politician, best at cadging support from our enemies like Vladimir Putin? Least inclined to support U.S. interests?

Exactly what makes Clinton overrated, compared to other politicians like Trump?
Tom

 

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[Toni]

Bernie convinced enough voters that Clinton was too conservative, wooden, and warhawkish to vote for. Trump won.

But it is his right to challenge a heiress apparent to the nomination, and challenge her on her record and her views. If she can't handle Bernie, how could anybody expect her to handle Trump?

Iron sharpens iron, but dulls a softer metal.

Hillary beat Sanders. Easily.