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Irrelevant. The Supreme Court justices are nominated by a President and confirmed by a Senate. If that means the court is 'illegitimate' then the Congress that AOC sits in is illegitimate.
What is this statement based on? Where has AOC shown that Justices made:
* counterfactual statements
* that were intended to deceive
* in order to secure their appointments?
Even if the first were proved, what would make that counterfactual statement a lie and not a broken promise or merely an indication that they changed their mind?
An interesting question. What does AOC mean? If she means 'make a federal law forbidding States from forbidding abortion' - I don't think that can be done Constitutionally speaking. But if it could, the first Congress that did not agree could change that law.
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It's not irrelevant. It means that those justices were nominated by presidents the people didn't want to be in position to make those nominations.Metaphor said:
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By Meta’s “logic” Trump should still be president. His right to overthrow the 2020 electoral results was conferred upon him by elected senators and representatives.
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Well, I don't think I'd go that far on Meta but it does show how fucked up our system of government is.
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Instagram: “Roe Overturned: Action items & where we go from here”
She did some fundraising for some abortion activists. She said that a lot of things that some political leaders are saying are messages that can make one feel helpless. She says that it's important to go out and vote, but that it is necessary but not sufficient. One should also become an activist. One also should not quit when one fails - one should try again with different methods.
Donating to abortion funds is good, even if not enough. If you have the money, then do that. One shouldn't donate if one is scrapped for cash. If one has a couch or a spare room, one can lend it out to some abortion refugee from a red state. But if you don't have that, then one shouldn't do it.
What talents do you have? What can one offer on a consistent basis? Like being an artist or writer or having digital skills. She says "consistent basis" because activists have to be in it on a long term, and that was the problem with the Black Lives Matter demonstrations of 2020 - those activists didn't stay active for long enough. That was also a problem for the Occupy Wall Street activists. Despite the original Zuccotti Park campers getting a lot of imitators, their camps lasted only a few months before being closed down by the local authorities, and the campers did not find new campsites.
With the overturning of RvW, the women that are worst off are poor and minority women. The overturning also effects what to do about ectopic pregnancy, something that even the richest women can suffer from. She suggests doing lots of small actions instead of wondering what big ones that one can do. That is much like the anti-abortion strategy of many red states, essentially trying to regulate it out of existence with TRAP laws and the like.
She says that her colleagues ought to donate some of their campaign funds to abortion funds, or else to frontline colleagues, those in vulnerable seats, to keep out the Republicans. Like Ohio and Georgia. For the latter state, she made a mistake, describing both its two Senators as vulnerable. It's Sen. Raphael Warnock who is up for re-election, and he's vulnerable. Sen. Jon Ossoff is safe in his seat until 2026. She think that Iowa may have a chance for a Democratic pickup, unseating long-time Republican incumbent Chuck Grassley. He's 88 years old and he's been in office for 42 years, 7 Senate terms.
She has tips for people in both blue and red areas. In a blue area, one should adopt a swing seat to help campaign in, and one should vote in the primaries -- and be sure to assess the candidates. Democrats aren't all alike, she says. Who is serving communities vs. who is coasting. Like some long-time incumbent who seems more preoccupied with DC power politics than their constituents. Like the one that AOC unseated.
She says that one should be concerned about local and state as well as about Congress, and she offers her endorsements for local and state elections.
She then gets into policy issues. What do our leaders plan to do? Other than wring their hands about how little they can do. She proposes opening abortion clinics on Federal lands in red states - national parks, military bases, etc. Then the Hyde Amendment. She then praises Ayanna Pressley for leading on repealing that amendment. Some people were cowardly on it, however. She recalls the Trump years, where Trump would go ahead with something even if others disapproved. Even getting something for a few months until a court strikes it down would be better than nothing.
Another thing is educating people about abortion pills. Then about Supreme Court Justice candidates lying about not overturning RvW. She says that letting that happen means the erosion of the confirmation process. She then talks about how unrepresentative the Court has become. Also the selectivity of the Court in its recent gun rulings.
She then noted Abraham Lincoln disregarding the Supreme Court to issue the Emancipation Proclamation, overriding the court's Dred Scott ruling. Then FDR threatening to pack the court to protect the New Deal. He failed, but the Court backed off.
She then recapped what she said earlier, noting that a lot of activists have been activists for a long time. Also about politicians, some have served too long while doing too little, some have taken money from the wrong places, etc. Does a candidate have an online presence? Like a website or a social-media page, something that makes that candidate easily researchable. Also, requesting funds is not enough. What will that money be for? What seats to try to pick up?
She grumbled about leaders who don't do much, saying that those who prefer supposed norms to action may end up not having their norms. Like Democrats who cherish the Senate filibuster losing it to the Republicans. She also described getting $3M for a local hospital's maternal-health wing.
She did some fundraising for some abortion activists. She said that a lot of things that some political leaders are saying are messages that can make one feel helpless. She says that it's important to go out and vote, but that it is necessary but not sufficient. One should also become an activist. One also should not quit when one fails - one should try again with different methods.
Donating to abortion funds is good, even if not enough. If you have the money, then do that. One shouldn't donate if one is scrapped for cash. If one has a couch or a spare room, one can lend it out to some abortion refugee from a red state. But if you don't have that, then one shouldn't do it.
What talents do you have? What can one offer on a consistent basis? Like being an artist or writer or having digital skills. She says "consistent basis" because activists have to be in it on a long term, and that was the problem with the Black Lives Matter demonstrations of 2020 - those activists didn't stay active for long enough. That was also a problem for the Occupy Wall Street activists. Despite the original Zuccotti Park campers getting a lot of imitators, their camps lasted only a few months before being closed down by the local authorities, and the campers did not find new campsites.
With the overturning of RvW, the women that are worst off are poor and minority women. The overturning also effects what to do about ectopic pregnancy, something that even the richest women can suffer from. She suggests doing lots of small actions instead of wondering what big ones that one can do. That is much like the anti-abortion strategy of many red states, essentially trying to regulate it out of existence with TRAP laws and the like.
She says that her colleagues ought to donate some of their campaign funds to abortion funds, or else to frontline colleagues, those in vulnerable seats, to keep out the Republicans. Like Ohio and Georgia. For the latter state, she made a mistake, describing both its two Senators as vulnerable. It's Sen. Raphael Warnock who is up for re-election, and he's vulnerable. Sen. Jon Ossoff is safe in his seat until 2026. She think that Iowa may have a chance for a Democratic pickup, unseating long-time Republican incumbent Chuck Grassley. He's 88 years old and he's been in office for 42 years, 7 Senate terms.
She has tips for people in both blue and red areas. In a blue area, one should adopt a swing seat to help campaign in, and one should vote in the primaries -- and be sure to assess the candidates. Democrats aren't all alike, she says. Who is serving communities vs. who is coasting. Like some long-time incumbent who seems more preoccupied with DC power politics than their constituents. Like the one that AOC unseated.
She says that one should be concerned about local and state as well as about Congress, and she offers her endorsements for local and state elections.
She then gets into policy issues. What do our leaders plan to do? Other than wring their hands about how little they can do. She proposes opening abortion clinics on Federal lands in red states - national parks, military bases, etc. Then the Hyde Amendment. She then praises Ayanna Pressley for leading on repealing that amendment. Some people were cowardly on it, however. She recalls the Trump years, where Trump would go ahead with something even if others disapproved. Even getting something for a few months until a court strikes it down would be better than nothing.
Another thing is educating people about abortion pills. Then about Supreme Court Justice candidates lying about not overturning RvW. She says that letting that happen means the erosion of the confirmation process. She then talks about how unrepresentative the Court has become. Also the selectivity of the Court in its recent gun rulings.
She then noted Abraham Lincoln disregarding the Supreme Court to issue the Emancipation Proclamation, overriding the court's Dred Scott ruling. Then FDR threatening to pack the court to protect the New Deal. He failed, but the Court backed off.
She then recapped what she said earlier, noting that a lot of activists have been activists for a long time. Also about politicians, some have served too long while doing too little, some have taken money from the wrong places, etc. Does a candidate have an online presence? Like a website or a social-media page, something that makes that candidate easily researchable. Also, requesting funds is not enough. What will that money be for? What seats to try to pick up?
She grumbled about leaders who don't do much, saying that those who prefer supposed norms to action may end up not having their norms. Like Democrats who cherish the Senate filibuster losing it to the Republicans. She also described getting $3M for a local hospital's maternal-health wing.
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Amanda Guinzburg on Twitter: "As usual, @AOC is over on Instagram live telling people exactly how to understand this moment and what specifically they can do. And she's raised about 30k for abortion funds in less than 10 minutes. Hope in action." / Twitter
She fundraised for abortion funds rather than for her campaign, so she practiced what she preached about donations.
Ulysses on Twitter: "@Guinz @AOC If President Biden fought 1/200th as hard as @AOC fights for Americans, that would be at least 200 times harder than what he's [not] doing now. AOC does give us "hope in action." Biden gives us despair from inaction." / Twitter
All he does and Dem party leaders do is wring their hands about how helpless they are. They show more forcefulness when trying to re-elect conservative Democrats like Henry Cuellar and Kurt Schrader.
She fundraised for abortion funds rather than for her campaign, so she practiced what she preached about donations.
Ulysses on Twitter: "@Guinz @AOC If President Biden fought 1/200th as hard as @AOC fights for Americans, that would be at least 200 times harder than what he's [not] doing now. AOC does give us "hope in action." Biden gives us despair from inaction." / Twitter
All he does and Dem party leaders do is wring their hands about how helpless they are. They show more forcefulness when trying to re-elect conservative Democrats like Henry Cuellar and Kurt Schrader.
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Just a few months ago I literally had to explain to Republican members of Congress how periods work. Their complete and utter incompetence is now killing women and pregnant people across the US. There remains no legitimate grounding or basis to force birth in the United States." / Twitter
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NowThis on Twitter: "‘6 weeks pregnant means 2 weeks late for your period’ — Watch @AOC school Gov. Greg Abbott on the problems with Texas' new abortion law (vid link)" / Twitter
Josh Hawley says Roe v Wade will give the GOP an advantage | The Kansas City Star
How California Is Turning The Rest Of The West Blue : It's All Politics : NPR - from 2013
American Migration Patterns Should Terrify the GOP - The Atlantic - from 2019
Turning Colorado and Nevada blue.
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NowThis on Twitter: "‘6 weeks pregnant means 2 weeks late for your period’ — Watch @AOC school Gov. Greg Abbott on the problems with Texas' new abortion law (vid link)" / Twitter
Josh Hawley says Roe v Wade will give the GOP an advantage | The Kansas City Star
These red-state refugees may move to purple states instead, making them bluer. That's what's happened with blue-state refugees from big cities in those states. Relatively conservative ones may leave, but they end up relatively liberal in their new homes. People who don't like paying taxes, but who want marijuana legal, abortion accessible, and guns regulated.
How California Is Turning The Rest Of The West Blue : It's All Politics : NPR - from 2013
American Migration Patterns Should Terrify the GOP - The Atlantic - from 2019
Turning Colorado and Nevada blue.
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AOC mentioned this in a recent Instagram story:
Electronic Frontier Foundation on Instagram: “The law around abortion access is shifting: …”
Eva's hair was dyed light purple (lavender), and she was wearing a low-cut top. EFF seems like a rather informal workplace, at least for some employees.
Mentioning "finsta" - fake Instagram account
Where one parks one's car at night
Separate e-mail, phone #, browser
One's smartphone: when to lock, turn off, leave at home. When to turn off location services
Ad ID can give away one's identity and location
Ask for consent before sharing data, pictures. Request that others do the same for you
Pictures can include landmarks, and in their EXIF data, location data
Seems rather cloak-and-dagger, I must concede.
Electronic Frontier Foundation on Instagram: “The law around abortion access is shifting: …”
by Daly and Eva of the Electronic Freedom Foundation, talking about OPSEC: operational security
Eva's hair was dyed light purple (lavender), and she was wearing a low-cut top. EFF seems like a rather informal workplace, at least for some employees.
Mentioning "finsta" - fake Instagram account
Where one parks one's car at night
Separate e-mail, phone #, browser
One's smartphone: when to lock, turn off, leave at home. When to turn off location services
Ad ID can give away one's identity and location
Ask for consent before sharing data, pictures. Request that others do the same for you
Pictures can include landmarks, and in their EXIF data, location data
Seems rather cloak-and-dagger, I must concede.
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That is the inevitable result of dismantling democratic institutions, yes. Give us a true vote, or get ready to duck.
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That's part of what happened to California actually; we used to be a Republican stronghold, but one that by cultural convention allowed for considerable diversity of opinion and generally respected the civil rights of the citizens to a much greater degree than the rest of the country was capable of, which along with our general economic prosperity encouraged internal migration from other states as well as mass immigration from abroad. As the new GOP began to embrace ever more conservative ideologies at the national level, they lost touch with much of our populace, many of whom had come here in part to flee the oppressive policies of other states and countries; they did far more than the Democrats themselves to turn this state into the sea of blue (albeit with brackish red shorelines) that it is today.
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Reproductive Justice | Electronic Frontier Foundation
What Companies Can Do Now to Protect Digital Rights In A Post-Roe World | Electronic Frontier Foundation
That article had a lot to say about content moderation policies.
What Companies Can Do Now to Protect Digital Rights In A Post-Roe World | Electronic Frontier Foundation
That article had a lot to say about content moderation policies.
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Pass the "My Body, My Data" Act | Electronic Frontier Foundation
Congresswoman Jacobs Announces My Body, My Data Act to Protect Reproductive Health Data | Congresswoman Sara Jacobs
H.R.8111 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): My Body, My Data Act of 2022 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress by Rep. Jacobs, Sara [D-CA-53] (Introduced 06/16/2022)
"To protect the privacy of personal reproductive or sexual health information, and for other purposes."
The bill now has 43 cosponsors, 36 original.
Congresswoman Jacobs Announces My Body, My Data Act to Protect Reproductive Health Data | Congresswoman Sara Jacobs
H.R.8111 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): My Body, My Data Act of 2022 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress by Rep. Jacobs, Sara [D-CA-53] (Introduced 06/16/2022)
"To protect the privacy of personal reproductive or sexual health information, and for other purposes."
The bill now has 43 cosponsors, 36 original.
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Security and Privacy Tips for People Seeking An Abortion | Electronic Frontier Foundation
Then about using a burner phone.
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The death of Roe, and the three prongs that killed her - June 24 - "Dobbs decision day", discussing the leaked version of Alito's decision document
"Alito proceeds to gaslight us further. He said that if pregnable persons wanted to change this, they could do so at the state level."
Then his very selective respect of precedent.
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Then
If we handle the Second Amendment in the same way, we find that it only covers muzzleloader guns, guns loaded down their barrels from their front ends. Breechloader guns, guns loaded from the back ends of their barrels, were rare when the Founders composed the Constitution, though most present-day guns are breechloaders. Also rare were guns that hold more than one bullet, like revolvers, though such guns are also nowadays common. The only ones back then were multibarrel guns, while revolvers were invented in the mid 19th cy. Semiautomatic and fully automatic guns did not exist, as far as I can tell, and they also were invented in the mid 19th cy. A semiautomatic gun gets the next bullet in place after firing a bullet, while an automatic gun does that and fires it, repeating with the next bullet after that one.
Decisions supporting birth control, same-sex marriage, same-sex sexual relations, and interracial marriage. I mention the latter because Clarence Thomas has such a marriage.
"Farcically, Alito argues that pregnable persons don’t need abortion for equality."
"Alito proceeds to gaslight us further. He said that if pregnable persons wanted to change this, they could do so at the state level."
Then his very selective respect of precedent.
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Legal clashes await U.S. companies covering workers' abortion costs
This oughta be interesting. What influence large corporations might play in this. Two thirds of US workers work for companies that are self-insured, covered under ERISA and figure themselves to be protected.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/companies-offering-abortion-travel-benefits-us-workers-2022-06-24/
This oughta be interesting. What influence large corporations might play in this. Two thirds of US workers work for companies that are self-insured, covered under ERISA and figure themselves to be protected.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/companies-offering-abortion-travel-benefits-us-workers-2022-06-24/
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I am pleased that someone posted that.
As I look around the political landscape I see some giving negative reactions because of a belief that this will outlaw all abortion, and others giving positive reactions because of a belief that this will outlaw all abortion. It actually just makes it a state matter.
I suppose congress could actually try to do something on the issue. Unlikely. Part of the problem with RvW was that it was done entirely by the SCOTUS and congress had no part.