Roe v Wade is on deck

[Loren Pechtel]

(Might be meterwalled)

The Anti-Abortion Endgame That Erin Hawley Admitted to the Supreme Court

Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson zeroed in on this admission.

slate.com

They're arguing that the exemption from having to perform an abortion (which makes no sense in an ER context--you work the ER, you don't get to choose the problems that walk in the door) should include not having to deal with patient that had had an abortion.

 

[Derec]

Yeah. If you don't want to what comes with the job, choose another one. Many EDs are understaffed as is, and medical staff refusing certain patients should not be allowed.

 

[Shadowy Man]

(Might be meterwalled)

The Anti-Abortion Endgame That Erin Hawley Admitted to the Supreme Court

Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson zeroed in on this admission.

slate.com

They're arguing that the exemption from having to perform an abortion (which makes no sense in an ER context--you work the ER, you don't get to choose the problems that walk in the door) should include not having to deal with patient that had had an abortion.

Here’s and interesting part of that article.

Any participation in an abortion, even through the indirect treatment of a patient without a “live” fetus, violated the doctors’ conscience. So, wait. What about “handing them a water bottle?” Jackson asked. Hawley dodged the question, declining to say whether helping a patient hydrate would constitute impermissible complicity in sin.

 

[blastula]

Florida Supreme Court upholds state’s 15-week abortion ban, but voters will soon have a say

The Florida Supreme Court has cleared the way for a ban on abortions after six weeks of pregnancy, before many women know they are pregnant.

apnews.com

The Florida Supreme Court on Monday cleared the way for the state to ban abortions after six weeks of pregnancy, before many women know they are pregnant, while also giving voters a chance to remove restrictions in November.

The court, which was reshaped by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, ruled 6-1 to uphold the state’s ban on most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy, meaning a ban on six weeks could soon take effect. But under a separate 4-3 ruling, the court allowed a ballot measure to go to voters that would enshrine abortion rights in Florida’s constitution.

 

[ZiprHead]

LEAKED VIDEO: Texas Republicans Attended Meeting with Group That Suggested Violence and Jail For Women who Have Abortions and Use IVF — Texas Democratic Party

AUSTIN, Texas – Leaked video shows Hood County Constable Scott London, Hood County GOP Chair Steve Biggers and Hood County GOP Chair candidate Greg Harrell attending a meeting held by Abolish Abortion Texas (AATX) where they supported the death penalty for women who seek abortions or use IVF, i

www.texasdemocrats.org

AUSTIN, Texas – Leaked video shows Hood County Constable Scott London, Hood County GOP Chair Steve Biggers and Hood County GOP Chair candidate Greg Harrell attending a meeting held by Abolish Abortion Texas (AATX) where they supported the death penalty for women who seek abortions or use IVF, including pregnant minors. London and Harrel have also signed onto a pledge from the same group vowing to abolish all circumstances of abortion care in Texas.

The video was obtained by Hood County Democrats Chair Adrienne Quinn Martin and took place at a True Texas Project chapter’s meeting in Granbury, Texas. The event was hosted by Monica Brown–who is known for her attempts to ban books she deems inappropriate–and originally streamed from her Facebook page in January.

Paul Brown, who is the Director of Policy for Abolish Abortion Texas (AATX) said that IVF is a form of abortion and that when a fertilized egg is destroyed it should be considered murder, saying “Their lives [women] don’t matter any more than the babies’ they are killing.”

Brown also said how the group is against basic contraception pointing to the emergency contraception pill Plan B, saying that it “terminates or kills a baby prior to implantation – which is an abortion”

 

[Shadowy Man]

Florida Supreme Court upholds state’s 15-week abortion ban, but voters will soon have a say

The Florida Supreme Court has cleared the way for a ban on abortions after six weeks of pregnancy, before many women know they are pregnant.

apnews.com

The Florida Supreme Court on Monday cleared the way for the state to ban abortions after six weeks of pregnancy, before many women know they are pregnant...

Maybe they get a kickback from the companies that make pregnancy tests, which women will now need to take weekly.

 

[ZiprHead]

LEAKED VIDEO: Texas Republicans Attended Meeting with Group That Suggested Violence and Jail For Women who Have Abortions and Use IVF — Texas Democratic Party

AUSTIN, Texas – Leaked video shows Hood County Constable Scott London, Hood County GOP Chair Steve Biggers and Hood County GOP Chair candidate Greg Harrell attending a meeting held by Abolish Abortion Texas (AATX) where they supported the death penalty for women who seek abortions or use IVF, i

www.texasdemocrats.org

AUSTIN, Texas – Leaked video shows Hood County Constable Scott London, Hood County GOP Chair Steve Biggers and Hood County GOP Chair candidate Greg Harrell attending a meeting held by Abolish Abortion Texas (AATX) where they supported the death penalty for women who seek abortions or use IVF, including pregnant minors. London and Harrel have also signed onto a pledge from the same group vowing to abolish all circumstances of abortion care in Texas.

The video was obtained by Hood County Democrats Chair Adrienne Quinn Martin and took place at a True Texas Project chapter’s meeting in Granbury, Texas. The event was hosted by Monica Brown–who is known for her attempts to ban books she deems inappropriate–and originally streamed from her Facebook page in January.

Paul Brown, who is the Director of Policy for Abolish Abortion Texas (AATX) said that IVF is a form of abortion and that when a fertilized egg is destroyed it should be considered murder, saying “Their lives [women] don’t matter any more than the babies’ they are killing.”

Brown also said how the group is against basic contraception pointing to the emergency contraception pill Plan B, saying that it “terminates or kills a baby prior to implantation – which is an abortion”

The Pro Life people.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Arizona bans abortion for most cases.

Arizona’s conservative Supreme Court on Tuesday revived a near-total ban of abortion, invoking a 1864 law that forbids the procedure except to save a mother’s life and punishes providers with prison time.

The decision supersedes the previous rule, which guarded the right to end a pregnancy by the 15-week mark, resetting policy to the pre-Roe v. Wade era and adding Arizona to the roster of 16 other states where abortion is virtually outlawed.

The ruling cannot be enforced for 14 days, the judges wrote.

Under the 1864 law, anyone who administers an abortion could face a mandatory prison sentence of two to five years. That ban could compel Arizona’s licensed abortion clinics to ramp down dramatically or shutter — though it’s unclear how the decision will be enforced.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Steven Levitt and John Donohue defend a finding made famous by “Freakonomics”

Links between abortion and falling crime discomfit many but are clear, say the economists

www.economist.com

Just figured this was relevant. I hadn't realized that the data leaned far more towards abortion dropping the crime rate than lead. That means the Republicans are trying to double the crime rate.

 

[ZiprHead]

Trump has changed his mind and now say abortion should be up to the states instead of a federal ban.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Trump has changed his mind and now say abortion should be up to the states instead of a federal ban.

I’m sorry but when did we decide we should start believing what pathological liars say?

 

[Toni]

In an interesting bit of news, Indiana has just provided a religious exemption FROM the abortion ban:

You’ll Never Guess Which State Court Just Approved Religious Exemptions From Abortion Bans

Some ideas will not be repressed, and in Indiana, the idea that abortion is a matter of religious freedom has broken through in the lower courts.

slate.com

Unfortunately behind a paywall but sometimes there are ways around such things…

On Thursday afternoon, in an important lawsuit seeking to clarify which religious objectors will be taken seriously when they seek legal exemptions, a group of plaintiffs in Indiana scored a notable win: A three-judge panel on the Indiana Court of Appeals agreed to enjoin Indiana’s near-total abortion ban, as applied against a class of religious plaintiffs who had argued that the ban violates a state law protecting religious freedom. In its unanimous 76-page opinion, authored by Judge Leanna K. Weissmann, the panel determined that a preliminary injunction granted to a group of plaintiffs who had alleged that Indiana’s abortion law violated their rights under the state’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act could remain in place. The case now proceeds to trial, or more likely to a direct appeal to the state Supreme Court.

 

[Toni]

In an interesting bit of news, Indiana has just provided a religious exemption FROM the abortion ban:

You’ll Never Guess Which State Court Just Approved Religious Exemptions From Abortion Bans

Some ideas will not be repressed, and in Indiana, the idea that abortion is a matter of religious freedom has broken through in the lower courts.

slate.com

Unfortunately behind a paywall but sometimes there are ways around such things…

On Thursday afternoon, in an important lawsuit seeking to clarify which religious objectors will be taken seriously when they seek legal exemptions, a group of plaintiffs in Indiana scored a notable win: A three-judge panel on the Indiana Court of Appeals agreed to enjoin Indiana’s near-total abortion ban, as applied against a class of religious plaintiffs who had argued that the ban violates a state law protecting religious freedom. In its unanimous 76-page opinion, authored by Judge Leanna K. Weissmann, the panel determined that a preliminary injunction granted to a group of plaintiffs who had alleged that Indiana’s abortion law violated their rights under the state’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act could remain in place. The case now proceeds to trial, or more likely to a direct appeal to the state Supreme Court.

To tell the truth, I have been wondering when such a suit would be brought….somewhere. Abortion bans are all, on the surface, about religious beliefs, rather than anything remotely concerned with medical practice or science.

 

[ZiprHead]

To tell the truth, I have been wondering when such a suit would be brought….somewhere. Abortion bans are all, on the surface, about religious beliefs, rather than anything remotely concerned with medical practice or science.

Biblically, god sure does a helluva lot of abortions.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And now the GOP is on the defensive in the most cowardly way possible.

Despite having supported abortion restrictions in the past, two Arizona House Republicans representing districts Biden won, Reps. David Schweikert and Juan Ciscomani, each said they opposed Tuesday’s ruling. And Kari Lake — the staunch ally of Trump running in one of the most closely watched Senate races this cycle — called Tuesday’s ruling “out of step with Arizonans.”

Lake had previously celebrated the overturning of Roe and once expressed support for the 1864 bill. But on Tuesday, she called on the Arizona state legislature and Hobbs, to whom she lost a gubernatorial race last year, to “come up with an immediate common sense solution that Arizonans can support.”

So we are getting exactly what they advertised, but it turns out America didn't want this. Which reminds me.

FUCK YOU AMERICA! WE FUCKING SAID THIS WOULD HAPPEN AND YOU DIDN'T FUCKING VOTE! You didn't come out in 2000, not enough in 2004, you let that shit stain get elected in 2016.

So now we need to reverse all of this stuff, and in some places it is harder than others. In Florida? You need 60% to pass this upcoming referendum. The GOP is scared because in order for that to happen, one would imagine that'll twist the votes to the blue by several points down ballot. But that is only if they can reach that threshold.

All the while the GOP is running scared because the exact things they wanted to happen and ran on since the late 80s in coming to pass.

 

[Toni]

To tell the truth, I have been wondering when such a suit would be brought….somewhere. Abortion bans are all, on the surface, about religious beliefs, rather than anything remotely concerned with medical practice or science.

Biblically, god sure does a helluva lot of abortions.

Don’t blame that on God! She should have kept her knees together…

Seriously, the people I know who are most anti-abortion are either male or are childless women—or women who adopted due to infertility problems.

 

[Elixir]

And now the GOP is on the defensive in the most cowardly Republican way possible.

FIFY.
Cowardice seems to be the Republicans’ SOP this time around.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Man, with the re-adoption of the Howell Code in Arizona, life could get interesting.

Every person of the age of fourteen years and upwards, who shall have carnal knowledge of any female child under the age of ten years either with or without her consent, shall be adjudged to be guilty of the crime of rape.

No black or mulatto, or Indian, Mongolian, or Asiatic, shall be permitted to give evidence in favor of or against any white person. Every person who shall have one-fourth part or more of negro blood shall be deemed a mulatto, and every person who shall have one-half of Indian blood shall be deemed an Indian.

Well, thank goodness we got that figured out!

And what about if you accidentally kill someone?

Excusable homicide by misadventure is when a person is a doing a lawful act, without any intention of killing, yet unfortunately kills another; as where a man is at work with an axe, and the head flies off and kills a bystander; or where a parent is moderately correcting his child, or a master his servant or scholar, or an officer punishing a criminal, and happens to occasion death, it is only a misadventure, for the act of correction is lawful;

 

[TomC]

"Third Division Sec. 14 said:
No black or mulatto, or Indian, Mongolian, or Asiatic, shall be permitted to give evidence in favor of or against any white person. Every person who shall have one-fourth part or more of negro blood shall be deemed a mulatto, and every person who shall have one-half of Indian blood shall be deemed an Indian."

Well, thank goodness we got that figured out!

That was one of the first things that popped into my head. I'm sure there's a ton of stuff in that old legislation that will make Arizonans...

Uncomfortable.
Tom

 

[ideologyhunter]

Now Trump and that Arizona Gorgon, Kari Lake, are trying to back-pedal and find a "moderate" stance. The party has realized how badly this hurts them. But I'm sure that, if they somehow got both Houses plus POTUS, they'd enact a national ban. Fuck this party.