DIRESTA: The influencers have not been indicted. The influencers have released statements on Twitter saying that they were completely unwitting, that they didn't know this was happening. And you can see in the indictment they are not making them say things that they wouldn't necessarily have said from a basic perspective, but they're asking them to do just a little bit. There's a little bit of a nudge there. In one example that you can see in the indictment, they're saying, hey, there was a terrorist attack in Moscow. Let's create some perception that maybe Ukraine was behind it.
SIMON: I mean, isn't the Marxist-Leninist phrase useful idiots?
DIRESTA: It is indeed useful idiots. Yes, absolutely. And the amount of money that they were receiving - so folks are aware - is about $400,000 a month or so for four videos, so one per week, so approximately $100,000 per video. That's an extraordinary rate. So just to be clear, most influencers are not making $100,000 to put out a video. One of the things that you see in the indictment is the influencers, the talent asking for some sort of verification that the supposed donor and funder of this operation was real.
The heads of the media company that were - that knew that Russia was behind it provided kind of a dossier, a one-page biography of the supposed investor, featuring a picture of a man sitting on a private jet. Sort of incredible, actually. If you Google the individual's name, of course, he does not come up. They claim that he works at a bank. If you Google bank in his name, it does not come up. So despite the fact that you do see the influencers taking some basic diligent steps, they ultimately decide to kind of go through with the relationship anyway.