RussiaGate

[barbos]

Special Counsel John Durham Exonerates Donald Trump of “Russiagate” | Internet Infidels Discussion Board from last year

Were Russian agents very careful to avoid dealing with Donald Trump himself? That would explain the difficulty of finding much more -- many of his underlings are likely much more disciplined than he is.

That's what I have thought all along. The Felon would make a horrible agent, Moscow would be very stupid to attempt to use him directly.

But, but, but but, AlfaBank!

That is not remotely a rebuttal.

Actually it is.

 

[Elixir]

He has concepts of a plan to rebut you.

Wins the internet.

 

[barbos]

Meanwhile documents have been released by DNI Tulsi Gabbard showing that Obama made up the whole RussiaGate out of literally nothing.

 

[bilby]

Meanwhile documents have been released by DNI Tulsi Gabbard showing that Obama made up the whole RussiaGate out of literally nothing.

See, this is why hearsay isn't allowed in court.

You have not linked to the documents, nor even to a press release from Gabbard. So:

1. We can't know whether they exist, and if they do...
2. We can't know whether they say what you say Gabbard says they say, because...
3. We can't know whether Gabbard said it, or even what Gabbard said, and even if we did...
4. We have no way to know if what she said was supported by the alleged documents, and even if it was...
5. We don't know if what she said and what you said she said are, in fact, the same thing.

So you are asking us to believe you, when you claim that we should believe Gabbard, when you claim that she said something, which she might well either not have said, or been lying about.

Such is bullshit; And so is bullshit worse than lies.

If you were lying, at least we would have the comfort of knowing that you know what the truth actually is, even though you conceal it from us. But you are not lying; You are bullshitting. You may or may not know what the truth is, but it doesn't matter one bit to you. You don't care if it is true. You don't care whether Gabbard said it, and you don't care whether it was a lie if she did.

You just want the idea to be out there. And even if it were all true, it would be of vital importance to you not to provide any evidence. Because if you provided evidence when you said things that were true, your failure to do so at other times would be a massive tell.

The primary feature of bullshit propaganda is that it never includes (or links to) evidence. Evidence of truth undermines the ability to lie. And bluffing is hard. So it's best if not only do you not supply evidence for your claims, but that you don't even have any such evidence to begin with. It's important that you don't know the truth, so you maintain plausible deniability.

Even when you are nesting your claims under five tiers of hearsay.

The problem with the world is two-fold:

1. People bullshit all the time; and
2. It works.

But it's not going to work on people who can see through the five layers of deception. So you should peddle it somewhere else.

And, of course, if the core claim were true, it would be unprovable (contrary to itself). In a universe where it is possible for Obama to make up the whole RussiaGate out of literally nothing, it is necessarily also possible for the DNI to make up (out of literally nothing) the documents that appear to "prove" this.

So, five layers down, we have an ultimate claim that amounts to "I believe one person to be trustworthy and the other to be untrustworthy, and that's all the evidence I need".

You started with a statement you dearly want to be true; And you decided that your inability to actually support it was irrelevant to your decision to believe it to be supported. And then you dumped it here, like an incontinent male water-buffalo.

It's not even a lie. It would be making less of a stinky mess if it were a lie.

 

[barbos]

Really?

Tulsi Gabbard calls for Obama to be prosecuted over 2016 election claims

Trump intelligence chief accuses ex-president and others of ‘treasonous conspiracy’ for alleging Russian interference

www.theguardian.com

 

[bilby]

Really?

Tulsi Gabbard calls for Obama to be prosecuted over 2016 election claims

Trump intelligence chief accuses ex-president and others of ‘treasonous conspiracy’ for alleging Russian interference

www.theguardian.com

Yes, really.

And, of course, if the core claim were true, it would be unprovable (contrary to itself). In a universe where it is possible for Obama to make up the whole RussiaGate out of literally nothing, it is necessarily also possible for the DNI to make up (out of literally nothing) the documents that appear to "prove" this.

 

[barbos]

Yes, really.

Really?
You still believe the shit Legacy Media spewing? like Alfa Bank garbage?

 

[barbos]

Obama was told in no uncertain terms by 17 intelligence agencies that there was no evidence of Russia interference in US elections.
And he went on claiming otherwise.

 

[bilby]

Yes, really.

Really?
You still believe the shit Legacy Media spewing? like Alfa Bank garbage?

Really??

Whereas I can verify Alfa-Bank story and determine that it was manufactured lie.

OK. I am now so fed up with your hobbyhorse that I did a search.

The last time anyone (other than you) so much as mentioned Alfa bank on these fora was in June of 2023:

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This article is about the hundreds of thousands of people--men and women--who have left Russia because of Putin's invasion of Ukraine, his crackdown on civil rights, and the threat of conscription. Barbos's beloved Alfa Bank has estimated that 1.5% of the workforce have left. Those leaving tend to be younger, urban, wealthier, more pro-democracy, and better-educated than the general education. Many, of course, are draft-age men.

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Why are people leaving Russia, who are they, and where are they going?​

And that mention was not relevant to your hobbyhorse; It just referenced your obsession en passant - "Barbos's beloved Alfa Bank". And it was two fucking years ago!

Literally nobody here (except you) cares. Nobody.

It's not discussed, not mentioned, not even (until this post) acknowledged.

Let it go. Your obsession is fucking embarrasing.

By the way, that's the ONLY post I have ever made on these boards that mentions Alfa Bank. At all.

 

[bilby]

Obama was told in no uncertain terms by 17 intelligence agencies that there was no evidence of Russia interference in US elections.
And he went on claiming otherwise.

More bullshit.

You have sub-zero credibility, due entirely to your own dismantling of your reputation here.

I wouldn't take your word for it that it was raining, without first looking outside for myself.

 

[barbos]

You have sub-zero credibility, due entirely to your own dismantling of your reputation here.

Projections.

I wouldn't take your word for it that it was raining, without first looking outside for myself.

I merely parroting YOUR news media sources.

 

[bilby]

You have sub-zero credibility, due entirely to your own dismantling of your reputation here.

Projections.

I project that this situation will continue indefinitely.

You're welcome.

 

[barbos]

People who pushed RussiaGate have zero credibility.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Denial of propaganda keeps propaganda alive, amplifies it, makes it more readily available for others. Even arguing against the propaganda legitimizes it as worthy of debate.
People forget. They may remember there is an argument on both sides but may forget that one side never had a shred of evidence in support.
McCathyism did this just by keeping the bullshit constantly in the headlines.
And that's all any of this is about. Barbos knows people cannot help but to respond to his bullshit so the bullshit will continue.


Must I yell?

 

[barbos]

It's your bullshit, not mine. Alfa Bank story was bullshit and it is yours.

 

[ZiprHead]

Obama was told in no uncertain terms by 17 intelligence agencies that there was no evidence of Russia interference in US elections.
And he went on claiming otherwise.

The US Senate, including Republicans, came to the same conclusion after they investigated.

And again, why was Paul Manafort, Trump' campaign chief, sending voter data to Russia? And why did Donald, Eric, and Jared meet with a Russian lawyer to arrange obtaining dirt on Hillary in a meeting in Trump Tower?

 

[barbos]

The US Senate, including Republicans, came to the same conclusion after they investigated.

Of course they did. Too bad, an actual investigator (Robert Mueller) disagreed with Senate Sherlocks.

 

[ZiprHead]

The US Senate, including Republicans, came to the same conclusion after they investigated.

Of course they did. Too bad, an actual investigator (Robert Mueller) disagreed with Senate Sherlocks.

Really?

Trump was not exonerated by my report, Robert Mueller tells Congress

The US president criticises Mr Mueller's testimony to Congress and says it is a "great day for me".

www.bbc.com

 

[barbos]

The US Senate, including Republicans, came to the same conclusion after they investigated.

Of course they did. Too bad, an actual investigator (Robert Mueller) disagreed with Senate Sherlocks.

Really?

Trump was not exonerated by my report, Robert Mueller tells Congress

The US president criticises Mr Mueller's testimony to Congress and says it is a "great day for me".

www.bbc.com

Report disagrees.

 

[Harry Bosch]

The US Senate, including Republicans, came to the same conclusion after they investigated.

Of course they did. Too bad, an actual investigator (Robert Mueller) disagreed with Senate Sherlocks.

Really?

Trump was not exonerated by my report, Robert Mueller tells Congress

The US president criticises Mr Mueller's testimony to Congress and says it is a "great day for me".

www.bbc.com

Report disagrees.

It's so funny! You don't believe any western news. You think that all western media is in a conspiracy against Mother Russia. Unless, it's an opinion peace that favors Russia!