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Maybe you should go back to China. I hear they need more 'bots.

So does that mean you agree that the unclassified intelligence report is inconclusive.


Look, troll - in case you are actually near-sentient I will let you know something:
It is more than apparent to anyone with two neurons to rub together that the entire Trump cabal is a bunch of corrupt gangsters who actively conspired in an attempt to collude with an enemy State, and in the process compromised themselves to such a degree that they are paralyzed in fear that that State's dictator will spill the beans on them, and they are therefore doing everything they can to appease him.
All your bloviations can't change that FACT. You can speculate on how many of them will end up in jail or impeached, but you cannot change the above FACT.
 
So does that mean you agree that the unclassified intelligence report is inconclusive.


Look, troll - in case you are actually near-sentient I will let you know something:
It is more than apparent to anyone with two neurons to rub together that the entire Trump cabal is a bunch of corrupt gangsters who actively conspired in an attempt to collude with an enemy State, and in the process compromised themselves to such a degree that they are paralyzed in fear that that State's dictator will spill the beans on them, and they are therefore doing everything they can to appease him.
All your bloviations can't change that FACT. You can speculate on how many of them will end up in jail or impeached, but you cannot change the above FACT.

Ignore him! There were 10 posts on the previous page, and he sucked up 5 of them. But I didn't have to read a single word. It's like finally locating a bathroom 2 hours after you already had to go really bad.
 
There is no dispute of which I am aware about my understanding of English. This thread - along with many others - are replete with your issues. For example, your persistent counterfactual and inane insistence that there is no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and foreign (i.e. Russian) influences.

I said there is no conclusive evidence as given in the unclassified version of the intelligence report as I have stated more than once.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

High Confidence generally indicates that judgements are based on high-quality information from multiple sources. High quality confidence in a judgement does not imply that the assessment is a fact or a certainty; such judgements may be wrong.


You can study the rest of the report in particular about Russian media. In the UK we call it's broadcasts exercising freedom of the press. So if freedom of the press is an attempt to influence public opinion than RTV is definitely guilty by way of broadcasting.
There clearly was collusion under the normal use of the term - the emails to Trump Jr and meetings are conclusive evidence of collusion. Whether that meets the legal definition or not is a matter for the courts.

While this plea is probably a testament to the triumph of hope over experience, please do not feed your urge to respond with another response that misses the point and provides more evidence of your difficulty in parsing the English language.
 
I'll take "WTF Alex for $1600"

link

article said:
White House press secretary Sean Spicer contradicted President Donald Trump Monday when he insisted that a meeting Donald Trump Jr. had with a Russian lawyer in the months leading up to the election was about adoption policy.

"The President has made it clear through this tweet. And there was nothing, as far as we know, that would lead anyone to believe that there was anything except for a discussion about adoption and the Magnitsky Act," Spicer said at an off-camera briefing with reporters. "But I would refer you back to counsel on that one."
:eeka:

Seriously, they are sticking with Magnitsky Act? Was he under a rock for a few weeks?
 
link

article said:
White House press secretary Sean Spicer contradicted President Donald Trump Monday when he insisted that a meeting Donald Trump Jr. had with a Russian lawyer in the months leading up to the election was about adoption policy.

"The President has made it clear through this tweet. And there was nothing, as far as we know, that would lead anyone to believe that there was anything except for a discussion about adoption and the Magnitsky Act," Spicer said at an off-camera briefing with reporters. "But I would refer you back to counsel on that one."
:eeka:

Seriously, they are sticking with Magnitsky Act? Was he under a rock for a few weeks?

Got to wonder how Spicer hasn't had a total mental breakdown with the lies he's had to spew since his first day on the job.
 
The 8th person has been identified an Crocus Group employee. So we have spies and Russian oligarchs.
Now to find the money trail.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...77740635e83_story.html?utm_term=.55db4134d9b3

Putin is really crappy conspirator, is not he?

No, he's good at it. But Junior had to go spill the beans - now Putin has one less thing to hold over their heads. No matter - there are always those pissing party tapes ...
 
No, he's good at it. But Junior had to go spill the beans - now Putin has one less thing to hold over their heads. No matter - there are always those pissing party tapes ...

So it's not a collusion, just a dirt production.

From Putin's vantage - yeah. From our vantage, it's a conspiracy to collude with a foreign adversary.
 
So now we are here:

- Emails stolen
- Prevezon Money laundering caught
- Meeting between Russians connected with Prevezon and three of the top Trump campaign officials to discuss Magnitsky Act (and adoption). Magnitsky uncovered tax fraud which involved Prevezon... and he died in jail nearly a year without charges.
- Emails released in run up to General Election
- Money laundering case settled for a pittance in May 2017

This smoking gun keeps getting bigger. Getting close to a smoking nuclear missile silo.
 
So now we are here:

- Emails stolen
- Prevezon Money laundering caught
- Meeting between Russians connected with Prevezon and three of the top Trump campaign officials to discuss Magnitsky Act (and adoption). Magnitsky uncovered tax fraud which involved Prevezon... and he died in jail nearly a year without charges.
- Emails released in run up to General Election
- Money laundering case settled for a pittance in May 2017

This smoking gun keeps getting bigger. Getting close to a smoking nuclear missile silo.


Hay, I use to command one of those....:cool::D

Sleep well, I had my finger on "the button".

Later,
ElectEngr
 
So does that mean you agree that the unclassified intelligence report is inconclusive.


Look, troll - in case you are actually near-sentient I will let you know something:
It is more than apparent to anyone with two neurons to rub together that the entire Trump cabal is a bunch of corrupt gangsters who actively conspired in an attempt to collude with an enemy State, and in the process compromised themselves to such a degree that they are paralyzed in fear that that State's dictator will spill the beans on them, and they are therefore doing everything they can to appease him.
All your bloviations can't change that FACT. You can speculate on how many of them will end up in jail or impeached, but you cannot change the above FACT.

I don’t think you get my points at all and confuse comments on inconclusive as denial.
I’m not a supporter of any of the 2 main political parties in the U.S.A though generally favoured the Democrats in the past. My view during the last election was Trump was slightly less bad than Hilary.

My comments are based on a wealth of experience in investigating conflict of interest, fraud, misinformation as well as dispute resolution for major state run and private corporations worldwide.

There are several steps to an investigation and the media sure make a mess of it with respect to linking events to a conclusion.

There are several steps to an investigation. Some provide models of something like 10 to 12 phases.
The Media never gets past step 1.

For instance, a situation begins with a complaint or an anonymous tip or better still a ‘red flag’ that may lead to something, media reports treat this as a conclusion. (Irregular books or missing figures before investigation is a red flag).



They have done a better job with Kushner but it seems based on current information the passing of information on Clinton may not have taken place. It is also possible to check whether this bait was a ploy by the Russians to entice some Republicans into a meeting to find out about lifting of sanctions.


There is no doubt Kushner and Co had the intent to ‘find something out’ about Hilary but perhaps this was just a bait and switch to attract his attention. Or was information secretly passed on. If so what exactly was it? is the key question.


Step 2 should be a quick logical step but the media tends to stay at step 1
What is Step 2?
Evaluate the information and determine whether there is enough to then proceed with an evaluation. In some case part of what I have given in Step 1 will be in Step 2.
I am sure in this respect that checks into the background of this are taking place as further steps but the goal is to produce a full report taking full investigative information into account. The report must be detailed and precise
The report must show the precise time and date sequence of events and is organised into elements of proven facts against the alleged offences.

I won’t go through all the steps. I can if required but such an incontinent tomb would not be relevant at this time.

Further the report unclassified report from intelligence services seems to be a rush job and does not provide full pictures of the situation, even if there is a perceived need to keep some parts secret for security reasons. I wonder if the services were under pressure to produce this fast when it should take a few months.
 
Look, troll - in case you are actually near-sentient I will let you know something:
It is more than apparent to anyone with two neurons to rub together that the entire Trump cabal is a bunch of corrupt gangsters who actively conspired in an attempt to collude with an enemy State, and in the process compromised themselves to such a degree that they are paralyzed in fear that that State's dictator will spill the beans on them, and they are therefore doing everything they can to appease him.
All your bloviations can't change that FACT. You can speculate on how many of them will end up in jail or impeached, but you cannot change the above FACT.

I don’t think you get my points at all and confuse comments on inconclusive as denial.
I’m not a supporter of any of the 2 main political parties in the U.S.A though generally favoured the Democrats in the past. My view during the last election was Trump was slightly less bad than Hilary.

My comments are based on a wealth of experience in investigating conflict of interest, fraud, misinformation as well as dispute resolution for major state run and private corporations worldwide.

There are several steps to an investigation and the media sure make a mess of it with respect to linking events to a conclusion.

There are several steps to an investigation. Some provide models of something like 10 to 12 phases.
The Media never gets past step 1.

For instance, a situation begins with a complaint or an anonymous tip or better still a ‘red flag’ that may lead to something, media reports treat this as a conclusion. (Irregular books or missing figures before investigation is a red flag).



They have done a better job with Kushner but it seems based on current information the passing of information on Clinton may not have taken place. It is also possible to check whether this bait was a ploy by the Russians to entice some Republicans into a meeting to find out about lifting of sanctions.


There is no doubt Kushner and Co had the intent to ‘find something out’ about Hilary but perhaps this was just a bait and switch to attract his attention. Or was information secretly passed on. If so what exactly was it? is the key question.


Step 2 should be a quick logical step but the media tends to stay at step 1
What is Step 2?
Evaluate the information and determine whether there is enough to then proceed with an evaluation. In some case part of what I have given in Step 1 will be in Step 2.
I am sure in this respect that checks into the background of this are taking place as further steps but the goal is to produce a full report taking full investigative information into account. The report must be detailed and precise
The report must show the precise time and date sequence of events and is organised into elements of proven facts against the alleged offences.

I won’t go through all the steps. I can if required but such an incontinent tomb would not be relevant at this time.

Further the report unclassified report from intelligence services seems to be a rush job and does not provide full pictures of the situation, even if there is a perceived need to keep some parts secret for security reasons. I wonder if the services were under pressure to produce this fast when it should take a few months.

Comrade, the media are not the ones conducting the investigation.
 
I don’t think you get my points at all and confuse comments on inconclusive as denial.
I’m not a supporter of any of the 2 main political parties in the U.S.A though generally favoured the Democrats in the past. My view during the last election was Trump was slightly less bad than Hilary.

You're foremost pro-bullshit. Misinformation, incoherence, illiteracy and ignorance are your values.
 
I don’t think you get my points at all and confuse comments on inconclusive as denial.
I’m not a supporter of any of the 2 main political parties in the U.S.A though generally favoured the Democrats in the past. My view during the last election was Trump was slightly less bad than Hilary.

My comments are based on a wealth of experience in investigating conflict of interest, fraud, misinformation as well as dispute resolution for major state run and private corporations worldwide.

There are several steps to an investigation and the media sure make a mess of it with respect to linking events to a conclusion.

There are several steps to an investigation. Some provide models of something like 10 to 12 phases.
The Media never gets past step 1.

For instance, a situation begins with a complaint or an anonymous tip or better still a ‘red flag’ that may lead to something, media reports treat this as a conclusion. (Irregular books or missing figures before investigation is a red flag).



They have done a better job with Kushner but it seems based on current information the passing of information on Clinton may not have taken place. It is also possible to check whether this bait was a ploy by the Russians to entice some Republicans into a meeting to find out about lifting of sanctions.


There is no doubt Kushner and Co had the intent to ‘find something out’ about Hilary but perhaps this was just a bait and switch to attract his attention. Or was information secretly passed on. If so what exactly was it? is the key question.


Step 2 should be a quick logical step but the media tends to stay at step 1
What is Step 2?
Evaluate the information and determine whether there is enough to then proceed with an evaluation. In some case part of what I have given in Step 1 will be in Step 2.
I am sure in this respect that checks into the background of this are taking place as further steps but the goal is to produce a full report taking full investigative information into account. The report must be detailed and precise
The report must show the precise time and date sequence of events and is organised into elements of proven facts against the alleged offences.

I won’t go through all the steps. I can if required but such an incontinent tomb would not be relevant at this time.

Further the report unclassified report from intelligence services seems to be a rush job and does not provide full pictures of the situation, even if there is a perceived need to keep some parts secret for security reasons. I wonder if the services were under pressure to produce this fast when it should take a few months.

Comrade, the media are not the ones conducting the investigation.

Correct, the media is not the law of the land. And see above, UNCLASSIFIED. There is much we do not know.
 
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