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It seems Congress took over everything. But I sense a tiny bit of sense of being annoyed/worried from State Department over this new sanctions bill thing.
 
Opoponax said:
You gotta keep up with the spin. Already, Trump supporters are saying that because the GJ is being empaneled by people from DC, that it's unfairly biased. And last night Trump continued to call it a witch hunt to his ravenous West Virginia fans.
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I saw some of that rally. The investigation is freaking him out.
 
blastula said:
Opoponax said:
You gotta keep up with the spin. Already, Trump supporters are saying that because the GJ is being empaneled by people from DC, that it's unfairly biased. And last night Trump continued to call it a witch hunt to his ravenous West Virginia fans.
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I saw some of that rally. The investigation is freaking him out.
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It really makes me sick to see the way that common, every day billionaires who run the government continuously get steamrolled by the government for no better reason than because they're corrupt and incompetent. :mad:
 
Elixir said:
Artemus said:
Reuters just reported that the grand jury issued subpoenas regarding the Trump, Jr., Kushner, Manafort, and lots of Russians meeting.

Which thread is most appropriate for continued discussions? I thought that this one was pretty well derailed.

ETA: Link.
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One source said that a grand jury was not newly empaneled, but rather, that Mueller used an already-sitting grand jury to issue the indictments. That could mean that he wants to subpoena people and materials now- quickly.
Trump will be the last to testify, by which time the jurors will know the answers that have already been given, to every question they ask him. Imagine Cheato, all by himself (his lawyer is not allowed in the room during questioning) trying not to lie? The chances that he won't commit criminal perjury are none and none. If this process is not derailed very soon, he's fucking toast.
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The Jurors will have heard the answers to every question, but not necessarily knowing they are right until they question all persons and review various documentation. Even then this is a preliminary step.

Captain Obvious.
 
Copernicus1 said:
J842P said:
Of for fuck's sake, David E. Sanger? He's a CFR hack and a Neocon. These people never left the Cold War, and Putin is way savvier than the lot of them. These people have been thoroughly discredited, and you should take their analysis on anything with a huge grain of salt.
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Oh, I don't care what Sanger's politics are. Rather than to attack the source--"poisoning the well" is what that is called--you could try actually saying what you disagree with in the content of his article and why. If it bothers you that Sanger "never left the Cold War", then what do you like so much about Putin? Do you think that old KGB dog has learned some new tricks? He's nothing but a revanchist tinpot dictator who wants to reassemble the old Soviet empire. His attempt to get the sanctions lifted has backfired spectacularly, and now we are looking a severely worsened relations in the future. He went from a country that was recovering its wealth and economy to one of an international pariah with a steadily declining economy.
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Putin must be wondering how he got so lucky. The sanctions don't do much harm to Russia ATM but they will to Germany. The sanctions are areal chance of pushing Germany and Russia closer together
 
tupac chopra said:
Copernicus1 said:
Oh, I don't care what Sanger's politics are. Rather than to attack the source--"poisoning the well" is what that is called--you could try actually saying what you disagree with in the content of his article and why. If it bothers you that Sanger "never left the Cold War", then what do you like so much about Putin? Do you think that old KGB dog has learned some new tricks? He's nothing but a revanchist tinpot dictator who wants to reassemble the old Soviet empire. His attempt to get the sanctions lifted has backfired spectacularly, and now we are looking a severely worsened relations in the future. He went from a country that was recovering its wealth and economy to one of an international pariah with a steadily declining economy.
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Putin must be wondering how he got so lucky. The sanctions don't do much harm to Russia ATM but they will to Germany. The sanctions are areal chance of pushing Germany and Russia closer together
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Do you really think Germany prefers to be beholden to Russia rather than deal with the US for LNG? Or is there something else?
 
ZiprHead said:
Considering Russia is pulling the same crap they did here in the US I wonder if Germany would want to deal with Russia.
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What we have is an assessment not a conclusion. Highest Certainty from credible sources with a caveat that the information could be wrong doesn't say what Russia did or did not pull.

The secret services apart from the CIA should finish the investigations into the different areas of concern without a the usual media fanfare.

The CIA of course should not diverge from what it is paid to do and what it does best such as, spreading misinformation, mobilising opposition against undesirable governments, overthrowing such,spreading propaganda, extortion, blackmail, assassinations, kidnapping and replacing bad governments with worse ones.


The Netherlands, China and Germany are major trading partners from Russia. It won't matter who wins the elections in the Netherlands or Germany they will still trade with Russia and the losing party won't blame the Russians or anyone else.
 
Elixir said:
tupac chopra said:
Putin must be wondering how he got so lucky. The sanctions don't do much harm to Russia ATM but they will to Germany. The sanctions are areal chance of pushing Germany and Russia closer together
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Do you really think Germany prefers to be beholden to Russia rather than deal with the US for LNG? Or is there something else?
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I think they would prefer to not be told by the US who they can and can't deal with. the sanctions are aimed at hurting Russia but they will also hurt Europeans.

This will jeopardize the diversification of Germany's energy supplies.

The neo cons in the US, with their anti Russian commitment, are giving Germany some very difficult choices.

Imperial Folly Brings Russia and Germany Together

As it stands, 30% of all EU oil and natural gas imports come from Russia. In parallel, the Russia-China energy partnership is being progressively enhanced. Russia is already geared to increase oil and gas exports to China and Asia as a whole.

The leadership in Berlin is now convinced that Washington is jeopardizing Germany's energy diversification/energy security via the sanctions war. Russian natural gas and oil is secured by overland routes and is not dependent on the oceans, which, as the energy source stresses, "are no longer under United States control. If Russia in response to United States belligerency drops an Iron Curtain over Europe, and redirects all its natural gas and oil exports to China and Asia, Europe will be utterly dependent on largely insecure sources of natural gas and oil such as the Middle East and Africa."
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And further.

German minister urges ‘countermeasures’ against US for Russia sanctions

German Economy Minister Brigitte Zypries asked the European Commission to look into possible countermeasures against the United States, following tough sanctions against Russia that could potentially hit European companies.

"We consider this to be a violation of international law," Zypries told local newspapers over the weekend. "The Americans cannot punish German companies because they operate economically in another country. There are (partnerships) for natural gas and petroleum pipelines (in the region)," she said via Google translate
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ElectEngr said:
OK, kids. Take this with several kilograms of Sodium Chloride. Consider the source...

http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/fbi-carried-out-predawn-raid-on-trump-associates-home-details/

Later,
ElectEngr
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Uhm...it was first reported by the Washington Post, and is now being covered by most major 'fake' news outlets...
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/09/politics/paul-manafort-search-fbi-russian-interference/index.html
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What caught my eye was the part of the headline "Trump tried to fire FBI Head" on the ifyouonlynews article

Later,
ElectEngr
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
How in the world did that stay unreported for two weeks?! This is incredible news. No wonder Trump up'd the rhetoric last week.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/08/09/fbi-paul-manafort/?utm_term=.a6bde19d5287

No idea, but THIS is big.
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article said:
It appears Manafort took detailed notes of that meeting, and those notes could be key evidence if there are any collusion-related charges.
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Now, unless he took a lot of notes indicating what a loon this woman was for wasting their time on adoptions, this seems to go pretty far to indicate something else was discussed.

And I ponder, why in the fuck anyone didn't destroy this stuff right after the meeting?!
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
And I ponder, why in the fuck anyone didn't destroy this stuff right after the meeting?!
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It's why John Oliver calls this Stupid Watergate. It's like Watergate, but everyone involved is stupid.

The more you learn, the more you realize that these guys are just fucking stupid.
 
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