Russian Invasion of Ukraine - tactics and logistics

[Loren Pechtel]

The problem with the "agreed upon peace plan" above is the sections requiring to Ukraine to disarm. This would require them trusting Russia to not invade again! How is that possible? Russian word is shit.

I can assure you that Russia will invade Ukraine again if they try to arm themselves again.
And it is your word which is shit. You promised not to expand NATO to the East!
And Putin promised to invade if necessary in 2008. He is a man of his word

Ukraine arming itself isn't NATO pushing east. Rather, it's Ukraine not wanting to be under the Russian thumb. You seem to see everything in terms of Russia vs NATO when the reality is Russia is almost universally opposed, NATO or not. The bear shows it's hunger, people grab for bear rifles.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Another misfortune, russian calibers missiles hit ukrainian command post...... during busy office hours brain storming - 50 high ranking officers including generals dead.
Russian news wrote it a little bit ambiguous , it could be understood as if 50 generals were killed. I suppose russian generals looked at apparent score and decided we need to even it and so they did.

Ukraine isn't stupid enough to have 50 generals in one place if it even has 50 generals.

Thus this is Russian propaganda.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Meanwhile, idiots in Lithuania are trying to declare war to Russia. The war in which NATO will no legal right to help them.

More Russian propaganda. Lithuania isn't looking to declare war, they're just not permitting their territory to be used for transporting things subject to sanctions.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Meanwhile in other news, M777 howitzers proved to be useless garbage.
Prone to breaking by themselves and having no protection and since Ukraine was not supplied with spare parts even shrapnel can make it inoperable.
Now I understand that video of russian Krasnopol shell "destroying" 2 M777 in one shot. They intentionally hit between them, very cost effective.

Experts say, these howitzers were not designed for artillery duels at all.

Doesn't pass the laugh test--Ukraine has been dispersing it's guns. They wouldn't have had two of them close enough together to be taken out by one shell.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

“idiots in Lithuania are trying to declare war to Russia”

Love it.
Now I have a visual image of drooling morons frenetically running about, trying to figure out how to “declare war to Russia”.

The more incoherent Barbos becomes, the funnier he gets.

Now you've got me picturing their generals standing around a broken "War" button frantically pushing it like a pedestrian pushing the crosswalk button.

 

[Copernicus]

Another misfortune, russian calibers missiles hit ukrainian command post...... during busy office hours brain storming - 50 high ranking officers including generals dead.
Russian news wrote it a little bit ambiguous , it could be understood as if 50 generals were killed. I suppose russian generals looked at apparent score and decided we need to even it and so they did.

Ukraine isn't stupid enough to have 50 generals in one place if it even has 50 generals.

Thus this is Russian propaganda.

The missile attack on the command post in Shirokaya Dacha in the Dnepropetrovsk region is being reported mainly by Russian and Russia-friendly news sources, and it is extremely unlikely that Russia knows how many people, if any, were killed in that strike on a command post or who they might have been. Western news sources have yet to pick up the story, because there is no confirmation from a reliable source. Apparently, "50" was an estimated number of officers, which may have included some generals. Here is a report made by Iran's Tasnim news agency:

Russia Says over 50 Ukrainian Generals, Officers Killed in Missile Strike​

TEHRAN (Tasnim) – The Russian Defense Ministry said on Sunday that the country’s warships destroyed a command center with Kalibr cruise missiles, killing dozens of Ukrainian officers.​

“More than 50 generals and officers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were killed,” the statement said.

The strike took place near the village of Shirokaya Dacha in Dnepropetrovsk Region. The strike hit the compound where commanders of several Ukrainian units had gathered for a meeting, Moscow said.

The ministry added that Kalibr missiles were also used to destroy 10 M777 howitzers and up to 20 armored vehicles that were recently delivered from the West, and had been stored inside a factory building in the southern city of Nikolayev, RT reported...

 

[Tigers!]

Meanwhile, idiots in Lithuania are trying to declare war to Russia. The war in which NATO will no legal right to help them.

Which idiots in Lithuania? (I'll understand if you do not reply)

 

[Tigers!]

When I started taking an interest in looking at the post-war carve-up of Eastern Europe I wondered why did Stalin have these little enclaves dotted all over the place?
Gives the Russians all manner of opportunity to cause mischief with their neighbours and to claim reason to interfere in said neighbours affairs. just looking after our Russian citizens interests they say.
Now 70 years later it can be seen that they were a stroke of genius.

 

[Harry Bosch]

"The situation is more than serious," Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told reporters. "This decision is really unprecedented. It's a violation of everything."

Dmitry P - They say they want spokesperson. I thought, yeah, I work on bicycle all the time. I be good spokesperson.

Has there ever been a country so hypocritical? Ever? Russia violates international law by baring the transit of goods from Ukrainian ports to Africa and the Mid east (agriculture products). And then they get in a hussy when Lithuanian prevents some products from shipping. Many products still go though. It's not a total ban. And yet Russia totally bans shipments from Ukraine!

Well, Russia is an evil imperialist regime. Do you expect them to behave like a normal country?

No. I'm just pointing out how incredibly hypocritical they are. They are also the biggest whinners in history. They bomb the shit out of people, then whine when people fight back. When Hitler was on his rampage, he didn't whine about the American land lease program (which dramatically helped Russia in WW2). Putler is constantly whinning about how the west is being mean to Russia.

 

[SigmatheZeta]

"The situation is more than serious," Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told reporters. "This decision is really unprecedented. It's a violation of everything."

Dmitry P - They say they want spokesperson. I thought, yeah, I work on bicycle all the time. I be good spokesperson.

Has there ever been a country so hypocritical? Ever? Russia violates international law by baring the transit of goods from Ukrainian ports to Africa and the Mid east (agriculture products). And then they get in a hussy when Lithuanian prevents some products from shipping. Many products still go though. It's not a total ban. And yet Russia totally bans shipments from Ukraine!

Well, Russia is an evil imperialist regime. Do you expect them to behave like a normal country?

No. I'm just pointing out how incredibly hypocritical they are. They are also the biggest whinners in history. They bomb the shit out of people, then whine when people fight back. When Hitler was on his rampage, he didn't whine about the American land lease program (which dramatically helped Russia in WW2). Putler is constantly whinning about how the west is being mean to Russia.

Putler is basically ruining his people's lives by driving wealth out of his country. The only country losing HNWIs nearly so fast is China, even them not as dramatically fast.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Harry Bosch]

My very amateur sense here is that Russia right now is at their peak power in Ukraine. I think that it will be down hill from here. And yet, Russia continues to not negotiate in good faith. Rather, they are now threatening Poland and Lithuania. I just don't see any end in sight of Russian imperialism.

 

[Jayjay]

The problem with the "agreed upon peace plan" above is the sections requiring to Ukraine to disarm. This would require them trusting Russia to not invade again! How is that possible? Russian word is shit.

I can assure you that Russia will invade Ukraine again if they try to arm themselves again.
And it is your word which is shit. You promised not to expand NATO to the East!

That's a myth. Nobody promised that. At least not in writing. And sovereign nations can join whatever military alliances they want, without Russia getting a veto.

NATO isn't a threat to Russia, and even Russia knows it. Otherwise you wouldn't be pulling your troops from Kaliningrad and Norwegian border to fight in Ukraine. What NATO is a threat to though, is Russian wars of aggression.

And Putin promised to invade if necessary in 2008. He is a man of his word

A consistent asshole is still an asshole.

 

[Jayjay]

Meanwhile, idiots in Lithuania are trying to declare war to Russia. The war in which NATO will no legal right to help them.

I haven't heard anything about Lithuania declaring war. It's Russia who's been threatening Lithuania with "serious consequences":

Russia threatens ‘serious consequences’ as Lithuania blocks rail goods

Row escalates over Vilnius’s refusal to allow steel and iron ore to cross Russian exclave of Kaliningrad

www.theguardian.com

[Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation] Nikolai Patrushev upped the rhetoric by threatening “serious consequences”.

“Russia will certainly respond to such hostile actions,” Patrushev said. “Appropriate measures … will be taken in the near future … Their consequences will have a serious negative impact on the population of Lithuania”.

In the upside-down world of Russian propaganda, I guess this translates to "Lithuania declaring war". But if Russia were to try to take the Suwalki gap by force, NATO would certainly have every reason to intervene, so in all likelihood Russia is only going to settle for its usual mischief like cyber attacks or airspace violations.

 

[Jayjay]

There is something ... off... about Russians who complain about NATO expansion. And I can see only two reasons for this.

Option1: Russians are too stupid to understand what a defensive alliance entails. This option is valid because there is no real reason for a peaceful people to care about defensive alliances or their size or location. Which leads us to ...

Option2: Russians are so violent and duplicitous that they know they can't help but to attack their neighbors. Even neighbors whom they have given written promises to not attack, like Ukraine with the Budapest Memorandum. So these Russians will understand that, to other peaceful countries, a defensive alliance has no meaning or purpose and constitutes no threat. But these smart Russians have the intelligence to understand that they themselves aren't peaceful people and deep down crave unnecessary violence which actually DOES make NATO a threat. These Russians can't help but to crave murder and mayham so that they can rape, pillage, and steal.

So which is it? Are Russians too fucking violent for this world or too fucking stupid?

Maybe there is a third option (besides 'both') and I'm just not seeing it.

You have to understand that Russians are utterly obsessed with NATO and the West, due to constant propaganda since the Soviet days that frames them as their adversaries. Meanwhile the west would want nothing more than to kick back, trade with Russia, and not have to worry about which country it'll attack next.

This guy seems to have the right idea:

What might be the average Russian's worldview? • WarTranslated - Dmitri Masinski

I will dare and take such a responsibility and (attempt) to explain to my international audience how it might feel being a Russian from several perspectives. I will rely on my own partial belonging to the Russian people, and on the experience of when I was in Russia, spoke to Russians, and lived...

wartranslated.com

Our Common Enemy​

The stubbornness of the patriotism of many Russians is undoubtedly linked with the effects of the propaganda, which albeit in some ways is based off well-founded fears, it is inflated to unprecedented levels in Russia. Speaking to a Russian person, a foreigner may be really taken aback by inconsistencies – Russians blame EVERYONE, often contradictory phenomena and population groups, including Americans, Ukrainians, Poles, Nazis, Jews, Muslims, officials, bureaucrats, liberals, communists, homosexuals… Ask any Russian and they will always show you exactly who is ruining their life.

By having a common enemy it is much easier to unite and survive the hard times, especially if you are not afraid of the consequences. By shifting the responsibility for your own failures to others you stop being responsible for anything and can rely on the big man (in our case, Putin) to solve everything. Your life gets much easier.

 

[Jayjay]

Meanwhile, idiots in Lithuania are trying to declare war to Russia. The war in which NATO will no legal right to help them.

What are you talking about here? The so-called "right of free transit" is allowed for nations that are in peace. Countries that are at war and not trusted don't get the benefit of right of free transit. Another example of the Russian loss of soft power.

Yep, Lithuania is at war with Russia now

Meanwhile in other news, M777 howitzers proved to be useless garbage.
Prone to breaking by themselves and having no protection and since Ukraine was not supplied with spare parts even shrapnel can make it inoperable.
Now I understand that video of russian Krasnopol shell "destroying" 2 M777 in one shot. They intentionally hit between them, very cost effective.

Experts say, these howitzers were not designed for artillery duels at all.

Riiight! Just like your claim in the very beginning that Javelins are no problem for Russian tanks! However, if you are right, Russia should be happy to allow the west to resupply Ukraine with more western arms.

Well he's right that M777s don't seem to be faring too well. The sources I follow say that about third of them delivered so far have already been destroyed, either due to poor training or just because Ukraine simply doesn't have the solution to Russian artillery tactics.

The longer range mobile guns like the French Ceasars and Polish Krabs seem to be faring better, but eventually, some of them will be hit too. Ukraine needs more long-range weapons and counter-artillery radars, and MANPADS to shoot down Russian drones wouldn't hurt either. Petraeus said on CNN recently that US should give Ukraine Predator drones. That's a bit drastic, but it's beginning to look like that's what it'd take.

 

[Elixir]

Petraeus said on CNN recently that US should give Ukraine Predator drones. That's a bit drastic, but it's beginning to look like that's what it'd take.

It should have been done a long time ago (March) before Putler had time to build up his offensive in eastern Ukraine.
Better late than never? Not much better.

 

[Copernicus]

There is something ... off... about Russians who complain about NATO expansion. And I can see only two reasons for this.

Option1: Russians are too stupid to understand what a defensive alliance entails. This option is valid because there is no real reason for a peaceful people to care about defensive alliances or their size or location. Which leads us to ...

Option2: Russians are so violent and duplicitous that they know they can't help but to attack their neighbors. Even neighbors whom they have given written promises to not attack, like Ukraine with the Budapest Memorandum. So these Russians will understand that, to other peaceful countries, a defensive alliance has no meaning or purpose and constitutes no threat. But these smart Russians have the intelligence to understand that they themselves aren't peaceful people and deep down crave unnecessary violence which actually DOES make NATO a threat. These Russians can't help but to crave murder and mayham so that they can rape, pillage, and steal.

So which is it? Are Russians too fucking violent for this world or too fucking stupid?

Maybe there is a third option (besides 'both') and I'm just not seeing it.

You have to understand that Russians are utterly obsessed with NATO and the West, due to constant propaganda since the Soviet days that frames them as their adversaries. Meanwhile the west would want nothing more than to kick back, trade with Russia, and not have to worry about which country it'll attack next.

This guy seems to have the right idea:

What might be the average Russian's worldview? • WarTranslated - Dmitri Masinski

I will dare and take such a responsibility and (attempt) to explain to my international audience how it might feel being a Russian from several perspectives. I will rely on my own partial belonging to the Russian people, and on the experience of when I was in Russia, spoke to Russians, and lived...

wartranslated.com

Our Common Enemy​

The stubbornness of the patriotism of many Russians is undoubtedly linked with the effects of the propaganda, which albeit in some ways is based off well-founded fears, it is inflated to unprecedented levels in Russia. Speaking to a Russian person, a foreigner may be really taken aback by inconsistencies – Russians blame EVERYONE, often contradictory phenomena and population groups, including Americans, Ukrainians, Poles, Nazis, Jews, Muslims, officials, bureaucrats, liberals, communists, homosexuals… Ask any Russian and they will always show you exactly who is ruining their life.

By having a common enemy it is much easier to unite and survive the hard times, especially if you are not afraid of the consequences. By shifting the responsibility for your own failures to others you stop being responsible for anything and can rely on the big man (in our case, Putin) to solve everything. Your life gets much easier.

I see Vladimir Putin as a cheerleader for all of the flawed thinking that infects the public mind. The rampant "common enemy" paranoia isn't the only technique that people use to justify bad behavior. It isn't just about feeling persecuted. A big part of the problem is the continual references to the transparent hypocrisy they perceive in their common enemy. Americans love to scold others for committing sins, but their own history is full of the very same types of behavior that they are criticizing Russians for. Putin is constantly telling his public that they are doing nothing worse or different from what Western nations have done in the past in other wars. He brings up Vietnam and Iraq as if those American wars somehow justified his own invasion of Ukraine. His military uses cluster bombs, which are banned internationally by the  Convention on Cluster Munitions. Notably missing signatories on that treaty are countries that manufacture and use them in warfare: United States, Russia, China.

The argument that the others do it too is almost always used to justify cruel and inhumane behavior, never to blame or criticize those other parties that do it. You hear this type of rhetoric repeated constantly by Russians and others who support them in their invasion of Ukraine.

 

[Jayjay]

The Odessa union building fire was a tragic accident.

Really?
There was nothing accidental about it. Current ukrainian regime was responsible for it.
In case you were not aware, police was present and did nothing to prevent it and later did nothing to investigate and punish perpetrators.

Yes, Ukraine is a corrupt country where justice is rarely found. It has that in common with Russia. But at least it's trying to be better.

In case like this it's difficult to prove who exactly set the building on fire, though in all likelihood it was the people with Molotov cocktails (though it's unsure if those were Ukrainian nationalists, or Russian agents). And the anti-Maidan person who fired in the crowds is still living free in Russia too, so spare us the hypocrisy.

Besides, Russia shot down a passenger plane with five times as many victims as the Odessa fire, and it still hasn't done anything about that. And during this war, Russia has fired missiles at Odessa and probably killed more Odessans than both those incidents combined. When are you going to investigate and punish the perpetrators of those strikes?

Once Odessa is back in Russia they will try to start investigation and bring perpetrators to justice.

Just like you did in Bucha, Borodyanka, Makariv, Izuym, Mariupol, ... pretty much everywhere. People murdered without trial and dumped into ditches. the Russian method of "bringing perpetrators to justice" in the areas it occupies is well-known, and I have no doubts you'll do the same if or when you reach Odessa.

2014 Donetsk bombing was accident too?

Donetsk was and is a war zone. Not sure if the victims were collaborators, or innocent civilians, but they were collaterals in a war started by Russia.

 

[Jayjay]

Meanwhile, idiots in Lithuania are trying to declare war to Russia. The war in which NATO will no legal right to help them.

What are you talking about here? The so-called "right of free transit" is allowed for nations that are in peace. Countries that are at war and not trusted don't get the benefit of right of free transit. Another example of the Russian loss of soft power.

Yep, Lithuania is at war with Russia now

Meanwhile in other news, M777 howitzers proved to be useless garbage.
Prone to breaking by themselves and having no protection and since Ukraine was not supplied with spare parts even shrapnel can make it inoperable.
Now I understand that video of russian Krasnopol shell "destroying" 2 M777 in one shot. They intentionally hit between them, very cost effective.

Experts say, these howitzers were not designed for artillery duels at all.

Riiight! Just like your claim in the very beginning that Javelins are no problem for Russian tanks! However, if you are right, Russia should be happy to allow the west to resupply Ukraine with more western arms.

Why should Russia be happy about you causing more ukrainians to die?

Russia is going to kill Ukrainian soldiers whether they use Javelins, or pea shooters. But the chances of survival are higher, the better the weapons.

 

[Jayjay]

Another misfortune, russian calibers missiles hit ukrainian command post...... during busy office hours brain storming - 50 high ranking officers including generals dead.
Russian news wrote it a little bit ambiguous , it could be understood as if 50 generals were killed. I suppose russian generals looked at apparent score and decided we need to even it and so they did.

Ukraine isn't stupid enough to have 50 generals in one place if it even has 50 generals.

Thus this is Russian propaganda.

Ukraine says there were only two injured in that strike. The truth maybe somewhere in between, but most likely closer to the Ukrainian story.

In any case, if Ukraine did have 50 generals dumb enough to meet in a single place, their army's average IQ probably went way up if they did end up killed.

 

[Elixir]

In other barbos news exclusives:

Russia takes over 1,000,000 square km of Ukraine. Polish Russia is next, then the Russian States of Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Hungary, Czech Republic, Moldova and everyone else.
Resistance is futile!

 

[Copernicus]

Another misfortune, russian calibers missiles hit ukrainian command post...... during busy office hours brain storming - 50 high ranking officers including generals dead.
Russian news wrote it a little bit ambiguous , it could be understood as if 50 generals were killed. I suppose russian generals looked at apparent score and decided we need to even it and so they did.

Ukraine isn't stupid enough to have 50 generals in one place if it even has 50 generals.

Thus this is Russian propaganda.

Ukraine says there were only two injured in that strike. The truth maybe somewhere in between, but most likely closer to the Ukrainian story.

In any case, if Ukraine did have 50 generals dumb enough to meet in a single place, their army's average IQ probably went way up if they did end up killed.

50 generals all meet in a remote command post on the front lines to plot war strategy. That makes so much sense.

 

[Patooka]

50 generals all meet in a remote command post on the front lines to plot war strategy. That makes so much sense.

I suspect barbos' logic is, "Hey Russia does stupid shit like this, therefore everybody else does as well!". I mean, how many Russian generals have been killed/wounded in Ukraine (two both had the same name Gerasimov I believe). It's far more preferable to convince oneself that both side are shit rather than, "hey we done fucked up". Let's be honest if you just take Russia's word on it's reported casualties (and if you do I have some NFTs to sell you) at least one in five casualties is a commissioned officer. That's a lot of leadership thrown away.

 

[Jayjay]

50 generals all meet in a remote command post on the front lines to plot war strategy. That makes so much sense.

I suspect barbos' logic is, "Hey Russia does stupid shit like this, therefore everybody else does as well!". I mean, how many Russian generals have been killed/wounded in Ukraine (two both had the same name Gerasimov I believe). It's far more preferable to convince oneself that both side are shit rather than, "hey we done fucked up". Let's be honest if you just take Russia's word on it's reported casualties (and if you do I have some NFTs to sell you) at least one in five casualties is a commissioned officer. That's a lot of leadership thrown away.

By the time this war is over, Russia will have killed every living person in Ukraine many times over.

Didn't they say they had completely destroyed Ukraine air force sometime in early March or so? Yet Ukraine air force still somehow keeps attacking them. Must be... ghosts!

 

[Copernicus]

50 generals all meet in a remote command post on the front lines to plot war strategy. That makes so much sense.

I suspect barbos' logic is, "Hey Russia does stupid shit like this, therefore everybody else does as well!". I mean, how many Russian generals have been killed/wounded in Ukraine (two both had the same name Gerasimov I believe). It's far more preferable to convince oneself that both side are shit rather than, "hey we done fucked up". Let's be honest if you just take Russia's word on it's reported casualties (and if you do I have some NFTs to sell you) at least one in five casualties is a commissioned officer. That's a lot of leadership thrown away.

By the time this war is over, Russia will have killed every living person in Ukraine many times over.

Didn't they say they had completely destroyed Ukraine air force sometime in early March or so? Yet Ukraine air force still somehow keeps attacking them. Must be... ghosts!

And that reminds me very vividly of the enemy casualty estimates we used to get on the news during the Vietnam War. The DoD would release impossibly high estimates, whereas our own casualty rates were not nearly as bad, but the idea was to convince the public that we were winning the war. Russians are now getting a very high dose of news about how they are really winning. There is less of that on the Ukrainian side, but the same kind of misleading statistics are released.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Another misfortune, russian calibers missiles hit ukrainian command post...... during busy office hours brain storming - 50 high ranking officers including generals dead.
Russian news wrote it a little bit ambiguous , it could be understood as if 50 generals were killed. I suppose russian generals looked at apparent score and decided we need to even it and so they did.

Ukraine isn't stupid enough to have 50 generals in one place if it even has 50 generals.

Thus this is Russian propaganda.

The missile attack on the command post in Shirokaya Dacha in the Dnepropetrovsk region is being reported mainly by Russian and Russia-friendly news sources, and it is extremely unlikely that Russia knows how many people, if any, were killed in that strike on a command post or who they might have been. Western news sources have yet to pick up the story, because there is no confirmation from a reliable source. Apparently, "50" was an estimated number of officers, which may have included some generals. Here is a report made by Iran's Tasnim news agency:

Ok, that makes a lot more sense. It's still unlikely in my book but not in the realm of not passing the laugh test.

 

[barbos]

Ukrainians just can't stop retaking Snake Island. In their latest attempt everything they tried to launch was intercepted and destroyed. A dozen and a half UAVs - all destroyed, unguided artillery rockets - none reached their target, S300 in Odessa - destroyed. Couple of bayraktars - destroyed on land.
Complete and utter failure. So they cancelled invasion and used single UAV to hit unprotected oil rig in Black Sea.
Imagine that, they hit russian oil rig while they have russian gas pipeline going trough Ukraine Why bother? just shut down the gas pipeline, you don't even need to bomb it, just turn off the switch.
UAVs are pretty useless against hard targets, and expensive attack UAVs are especially useless.

Also, have been watching chat roulette and became more and more convinced that so called Ukraine should not exist as a country. 30 years of brainwashing these people experienced is too much and must stop now.

 

[ZiprHead]

Ukrainians just can't stop retaking Snake Island. In their latest attempt everything they tried to launch was intercepted and destroyed. A dozen and a half UAVs - all destroyed, unguided artillery rockets - none reached their target, S300 in Odessa - destroyed. Couple of bayraktars - destroyed on land.
Complete and utter failure. So they cancelled invasion and used single UAV to hit unprotected oil rig in Black Sea.
Imagine that. they hit russian oil rig while they have russian gas pipeline going trough Ukraine Why bother? just shut down the gas pipeline, you don't even need to bomb it, just turn off the switch.

Ukraine claims 'significant' Snake Island victory over Russian forces

The outpost became a symbol of Ukrainian resistance after a radio exchange went viral at the start of the war , in which Ukrainian soldiers used and expletive in responce to Russian demands they surrender.

www.euronews.com

The arrival of Western weapons begins to reshape the battle off Ukraine’s coast.

The Ukrainian military said it was attacking Russian infrastructure on Snake Island.

www.nytimes.com

Ukraine claims ‘significant losses’ to Russia in Snake Island airstrike attacks: Live updates

Ukrainian forces say they launched airstrike attacks on Snake Island in the Black Sea. Latest updates.

www.usatoday.com

 

[barbos]

ZiprHead, nope. None of it is even remotely true.

Snake Island, also known as Zmiinyi Island, was the site where Ukrainians soldiers refused to surrender to a Russian warship in the early days of the war

This is also a lie. They surrendered.

 

[ZiprHead]

Putin rocked as Ukrainian drones 'bomb Russian oil refinery' - massive fire rages

A FIRE has broken out at a oil refinery in Russia amid a spate of mystery blazes as Vladimir Putin's war on Ukraine continues to rage.

www.express.co.uk

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Patooka]

You know, in a perverse way I kinda miss half life. The conversation he could have with barbos about youtube comments and chat roulette would truly be one for the ages.

 

[Jayjay]

Ukrainians just can't stop retaking Snake Island. In their latest attempt everything they tried to launch was intercepted and destroyed. A dozen and a half UAVs - all destroyed, unguided artillery rockets - none reached their target, S300 in Odessa - destroyed. Couple of bayraktars - destroyed on land.

According to Russia of course.

Satellite images show damage on the island. Not sure if just burned grass by Russian missile launches, or if something was hit. Apparently some tower was knocked out, so something may have hit the Island, but right now it seems neither side was 100% successful. If Ukraine is really trying to send troops to the Island, they're idiots, because there is no way they could protect them there... so probably the Russian tales about landing attempts are embellishments.



Maxar images:

Complete and utter failure. So they cancelled invasion and used single UAV to hit unprotected oil rig in Black Sea.

I think the rig was hit as retaliation for Russia destroying multiple oil refineries in Ukraine a few days prior. And the rig was stolen from Ukraine in 2014 anyway, so actually, Ukraine is just hitting its own oil rig there and there's no reason for Russia to be mad about it.

Also, have been watching chat roulette and became more and more convinced that so called Ukraine should not exist as a country. 30 years of brainwashing these people experienced is too much and must stop now.

So when are you going to enlist? I hear the Russian army has relaxed its criteria [removed], so you'll fit right in.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Ukrainians just can't stop retaking Snake Island. In their latest attempt everything they tried to launch was intercepted and destroyed. A dozen and a half UAVs - all destroyed, unguided artillery rockets - none reached their target, S300 in Odessa - destroyed. Couple of bayraktars - destroyed on land.
Complete and utter failure. So they cancelled invasion and used single UAV to hit unprotected oil rig in Black Sea.
Imagine that, they hit russian oil rig while they have russian gas pipeline going trough Ukraine Why bother? just shut down the gas pipeline, you don't even need to bomb it, just turn off the switch.
UAVs are pretty useless against hard targets, and expensive attack UAVs are especially useless.

Also, have been watching chat roulette and became more and more convinced that so called Ukraine should not exist as a country. 30 years of brainwashing these people experienced is too much and must stop now.

Really now? There's no way Ukraine could hold an island, they're not going to be trying to take it. At most they're trying to hit Russian stuff on the island.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Ukrainians just can't stop retaking Snake Island. In their latest attempt everything they tried to launch was intercepted and destroyed. A dozen and a half UAVs - all destroyed, unguided artillery rockets - none reached their target, S300 in Odessa - destroyed. Couple of bayraktars - destroyed on land.
Complete and utter failure. So they cancelled invasion and used single UAV to hit unprotected oil rig in Black Sea.
Imagine that, they hit russian oil rig while they have russian gas pipeline going trough Ukraine Why bother? just shut down the gas pipeline, you don't even need to bomb it, just turn off the switch.
UAVs are pretty useless against hard targets, and expensive attack UAVs are especially useless.

Also, have been watching chat roulette and became more and more convinced that so called Ukraine should not exist as a country. 30 years of brainwashing these people experienced is too much and must stop now.

Ha. That's some great comedy for the morning! Your boys already tried to take Kyiv. Got your asses handed to you. I think that the ultimate downfall for Russia will be that your side wants war against everyone. One of the Russian crazies was threatening England, saying that they would be the first to be hit when WW3 starts. Hate to tell you this, but the Brits stood up to Hitler; and they'll stand against Putler. Russians hate everyone: England, the US, Baltics, Finland, Poland, and etc. Russians are even starting to threaten Germany and Turkey.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Britain is also a nuclear power. Vodka soaked threats from a stupid Russian media clown don't matter. Russia's military knows the UK can retaliate if stupidly attacked. The RAF's bombing campaign against Germany in WW2 demonstrates the Brits can be utterly ruthless.

 

[Elixir]

Russians hate everyone: England, the US, Baltics, Finland, Poland, and etc. Russians are even starting to threaten Germany and Turkey.

Yup. The Putler regime has rendered Russia detrimental to the rest of the world. Their status has been reduced to that of a rogue State, like North Korea; standing behind the threat of nuclear Armageddon to keep rightful consequences at bay.
Unfortunately, at least some of their hapless citizens have bought into the collective paranoia promoted by their propaganda, and now believe everyone is out to get them for no good reason. They will be the ones who suffer most as this sorts itself out.
It’s sad, but probably not as sad as what has happened in the US as a result of our tolerating their interference in our elections.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Russians hate everyone: England, the US, Baltics, Finland, Poland, and etc. Russians are even starting to threaten Germany and Turkey.

Yup. The Putler regime has rendered Russia detrimental to the rest of the world. Their status has been reduced to that of a rogue State, like North Korea; standing behind the threat of nuclear Armageddon to keep rightful consequences at bay.
Unfortunately, at least some of their hapless citizens have bought into the collective paranoia promoted by their propaganda, and now believe everyone is out to get them for no good reason. They will be the ones who suffer most as this sorts itself out.
It’s sad, but probably not as sad as what has happened in the US as a result of our tolerating their interference in our elections.

"Collective paranoia promoted by their propaganda" is a great line! The sad thing is that the Russian people are no different from any other people on the planet. But it's very similar to how the US would like if the Qtrumpsters had taken over the US.

 

[Jayjay]

Just for laughs....

 

[Harry Bosch]

Just for laughs....

Video's like that warm my soul! Seriously, Rusia's invasion into Europe will have many long term side effects that will haunt Russia for generations. Another one will be the laughable failure of the Russian weapons. According to the below link, their smart weapons have a failure rate of 60%!

https://cepa.org/russias-military-failure-on-an-awesome-scale/

No one is going to buy Russian weapons after this war. This will make the cost of their weapons more and more expensive.

 

[Jayjay]

I think that missile was probably the smartest one of them all.

 

[Elixir]

I think that missile was probably the smartest one of them all.

 

[barbos]

So, Poroshenko blurted out the truth - Ukraine had no intention of complying with Minsk Accords and the reason for signing them was to get time to get weapons from NATO and attack Russia/Eastern Ukraine.

And that old video from 1997 about US army "scenario" training about war with China and Russia about Ukraine NATO membership. In that scenario it was year 2025.
here is a 1997 video:


The guy is a an ukrainian journalist who had spent 2 years and 3 months in ukrainian prison on trumped up chatrges by Poroshenko regime.

this is also from him


I suspect EU/US/lithuanian idiots are scratching their heads now, cause it ain't looking good for Lithuania.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Fearless Leader must destroy Moose and Squirrel.

 

[barbos]

In funny news. ukrainian LGBTQ delegation ..... were banned from pride parade in Prague or Warshava, I don't remember where exactly.

Even gays have had enough with gay-nazis.

 

[barbos]

Réfugiés ukrainiens : en Flandre, les familles d'accueil réclament des solutions durables

Près de 4 mois après le début de l’invasion russe en Ukraine, plusieurs communes flamandes tirent la sonnette...

www.rtbf.be

The mayor of Wezembeek-Oppem goes so far as to speak of certain bad behaviour. Frédéric Petit evokes, among other things, states of drunkenness or a lack of respect and politeness.

LOL, OK, you thought white ukrainian refugees are better that brown?

 

[Jayjay]

So, Poroshenko blurted out the truth - Ukraine had no intention of complying with Minsk Accords and the reason for signing them was to get time to get weapons from NATO and attack Russia/Eastern Ukraine.

Russia (through its proxies) never abided by the Minks agreements either. And nobody ever attacked Russia, or even planned to do so. It was Russia who attacked Ukraine.

I suspect EU/US/lithuanian idiots are scratching their heads now, cause it ain't looking good for Lithuania.

Why do you think so? Russia said that it would take action against "Lithuanian people" in a few days, and it's been almost a week now. I don't think anything major will happen.

 

[Patooka]

Seriously? The best propaganda you Russians could find is cheap Will Wheaten from Star Trek?

Go home, barbos. You're drunk.