San Francisco, the shoplifter's paradise!

[Derec]

Shoplifters flee with several purses from Neiman Marcus in San Francisco: video

City officials and law enforcement are reacting to a stunning video recorded Tuesday evening showing multiple thieves taking merchandise from a high-end clothing store in broad daylight.
A dramatic video from Monday evening around 5:49 p.m. shows 10 individuals fleeing from the Union Square Neiman Marcus store in San Francisco.
[...]
“This is a pattern of behavior that we are seeing over and over again here in San Francisco,” Supervisor Ahsha Safai said.
On Tuesday afternoon, San Francisco Supervisor Ahsha Safai said he believes that the robbery is the result of organized retail theft and that they were targeting specific merchandise.

Shoplifting has been a huge and growing problem for years. Stores like Target are responding by closing earlier.
Target will shut its San Francisco stores at 6 p.m. to curb an 'alarming rise' in shoplifting

This is the fruits of electing pro-crime leftists like Chesa "Terror Spawn" Boudin as DA.

 

[Trausti]

We should be happy that the people of SF are getting what they voted for.

 

[Patooka]

This is the fruits of electing pro-crime leftists like Chesa "Terror Spawn" Boudin as DA.

Bullshit. It's the Squad's fault.

 

[fromderinside]

No. That's just more Qanon BS. It's obviously Pence inspired.*

*From the book "The Party that formed a circle to find a square"

 

[Metaphor]

One wonders what level of degradation a city needs to reach before voters stop voting for Democratic mayors and administrations for their cities.

Two weekends ago, Chicago had 77 victims of shootings (including mass shootings). Of course, 99 per cent of criticism of Chicago's mayor is 'motivated' by her status as a black woman.

EDIT: For people elsewhere in the Western world, I cannot stress enough how batshit crazy warzone 77 shootings in one weekend in a single city sounds.

 

[TSwizzle]

This is the fruits of electing pro-crime leftists like Chesa "Terror Spawn" Boudin as DA.

Indeed. Former San Francisco DA George Gascón is now the DA for Los Angeles and his reform policies are not going down very well. Recall effort is underway.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

One wonders what level of degradation a city needs to reach before voters stop voting for Democratic mayors and administrations for their cities.

Two weekends ago, Chicago had 77 victims of shootings (including mass shootings). Of course, 99 per cent of criticism of Chicago's mayor is 'motivated' by her status as a black woman.

EDIT: For people elsewhere in the Western world, I cannot stress enough how batshit crazy warzone 77 shootings in one weekend in a single city sounds.

But how many of them are criminals shooting criminals? So long as the violence doesn't impact the innocent much there's not the pressure to deal with it.

 

[Metaphor]

One wonders what level of degradation a city needs to reach before voters stop voting for Democratic mayors and administrations for their cities.

Two weekends ago, Chicago had 77 victims of shootings (including mass shootings). Of course, 99 per cent of criticism of Chicago's mayor is 'motivated' by her status as a black woman.

EDIT: For people elsewhere in the Western world, I cannot stress enough how batshit crazy warzone 77 shootings in one weekend in a single city sounds.

But how many of them are criminals shooting criminals? So long as the violence doesn't impact the innocent much there's not the pressure to deal with it.

The vast majority, I would say, but that doesn't make it not insane. There's also collateral damage. I wouldn't want to live in a city with 77 people shot in a weekend, even if I had nothing to do with criminal gangs.

 

[ZiprHead]

One wonders what level of degradation a city needs to reach before voters stop voting for Democratic mayors and administrations for their cities.

Two weekends ago, Chicago had 77 victims of shootings (including mass shootings). Of course, 99 per cent of criticism of Chicago's mayor is 'motivated' by her status as a black woman.

EDIT: For people elsewhere in the Western world, I cannot stress enough how batshit crazy warzone 77 shootings in one weekend in a single city sounds.

What would a differant, presumably Republican mayor do differently?

 

[Metaphor]

One wonders what level of degradation a city needs to reach before voters stop voting for Democratic mayors and administrations for their cities.

Two weekends ago, Chicago had 77 victims of shootings (including mass shootings). Of course, 99 per cent of criticism of Chicago's mayor is 'motivated' by her status as a black woman.

EDIT: For people elsewhere in the Western world, I cannot stress enough how batshit crazy warzone 77 shootings in one weekend in a single city sounds.

What would a differant, presumably Republican mayor do differently?

I don't know, but since Democrats and Republicans are ideologically different, presumably Republicans would have different ideas compared to whatever it is Democrats have been doing. According to Wikipedia, every Chicago mayor since 1931 has been a Democrat. The Crime in Chicago wiki says

Chicago's political landscape has been firmly under the control of the Democratic Party for over 85 years and has been widely described as a political machine.

 

[J842P]

I will attest, property crime, especially shoplifting, is out of control in this city.

Apparently burglary is pretty high too, but I have no personal experience with that.

 

[Politesse]

I'm not hearing any coherent solutions as to what to do differently.

 

[Derec]

I'm not hearing any coherent solutions as to what to do differently.

Arrest and prosecute the perps. Repeal Prop 47. Recall Chesa "Terror Spawn" Boudin and elect somebody who is actually willing to do the job of a district attorney. Get rid of London Breed and elect somebody competent while you're at it, too.

 

[Politesse]

I'm not hearing any coherent solutions as to what to do differently.

Arrest and prosecute the perps. Repeal Prop 47. Recall Chesa "Terror Spawn" Boudin and elect somebody who is actually willing to do the job of a district attorney. Get rid of London Breed too and elect somebody competent while you're at it, too.

And then shoplifting wouldn't happen?

 

[Derec]

Bullshit. It's the Squad's fault.

Not directly, but it is the fruits of Squad-like politics, yes.

 

[Derec]

And then shoplifting wouldn't happen?

Not nearly to this extent. You seem to be implying that if we can't reduce shoplifting to zero, we might as well not do anything.


London Breed and Chesa Boudin discussing the SF crime wave, ca. 2021, colorized

 

[Politesse]

And then shoplifting wouldn't happen?

Not nearly to this extent. You seem to be implying that if we can't reduce shoplifting to zero, we might as well not do anything.

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London Breed and Chesa Boudin discussing the SF crime wave, ca. 2021, colorized

Am I?

How much shoplifting do you believe the wholesale replacement of the government, a change in policing policy, and a novel set of laws would prevent, and at what cost to taxpayers? Just throw out some numbers, it's okay to ballpark it a little!

 

[Patooka]

I don't know, but since Democrats and Republicans are ideologically different, presumably Republicans would have different ideas compared to whatever it is Democrats have been doing. According to Wikipedia, every Chicago mayor since 1931 has been a Democrat. The Crime in Chicago wiki says

Chicago's political landscape has been firmly under the control of the Democratic Party for over 85 years and has been widely described as a political machine.

You're missing a couple of key facts:

Chicago is the US third largest city. When you break down their crime per capita, it's ranked around 12th with regards to murders. The most dangerous city in America is St Louis, which is in the Republican run state of Missouri.

Unlike in Australia, gun laws vary from state to state in the US. Illinois is adjacent to states like Kentucky and Missouri. Their laws on guns ownership is basically, "If you can stand upright, see lightning and hear thunder, you can own a gun". Take a wild guess where most of the guns The top 3 places of origin are Indiana, Mississippi and Wisconsin. This is a problem a mayor cannot possibly tackle on their own.

Your argument about how dangerous Chicago is is basically the equivalent of, "Sydney is more dangerous than Nimbin, because there are more murders in Sydney." You're smart enough to figure out the flaw in that argument. I agree 100% that gun violence in the US is about as fucked as a porn star during their last set of the day. Where we differ is in believing Chicago is the worst or even atypical. Baltimore and St Louis are far more dangerous and that generally comes from Republican Governors playing partisan fuckery with peoples lives towards Democrat run cities.

 

[Metaphor]

You're missing a couple of key facts:

Chicago is the US third largest city. When you break down their crime per capita, it's ranked around 12th with regards to murders. The most dangerous city in America is St Louis, which is in the Republican run state of Missouri.

St Louis has had Democrat mayors only, since 1949. Having a look at the others in your list, Baltimore has had Democrat mayors since 1967, Detroit from 1962, New Orleans since 1872(!), Kansas City since 1991, Memphis since at least 1982 (the Wiki is not well documented), Cleveland since 1990, Washington DC since 1961 (depending on the definition of 'mayor'), Cincinnati since 1984, Newark since 1953, Buffalo since 1966. Buffalo is just before Chicago.

Unlike in Australia, gun laws vary from state to state in the US. Illinois is adjacent to states like Kentucky and Missouri. Their laws on guns ownership is basically, "If you can stand upright, see lightning and hear thunder, you can own a gun". Take a wild guess where most of the guns The top 3 places of origin are Indiana, Mississippi and Wisconsin. This is a problem a mayor cannot possibly tackle on their own.

I don't think any mayor could do it on her own.

Your argument about how dangerous Chicago is is basically the equivalent of, "Sydney is more dangerous than Nimbin, because there are more murders in Sydney."

That does not resemble my argument, at all, and it isn't implied by anything I've said.

You're smart enough to figure out the flaw in that argument.

It's interesting--I looked up the population of Chicago when I read the story about the 77-shooting weekend. It's less than the population of Sydney. And so I looked up Sydney's shooting rate. I didn't find a like-for-like comparison, but Sydney probably has 150 shootings a year. The Chicago figure is astonishingly high for a city of any size. And it was a 'what the fuck' moment for me. What the fuck.

Now, I realise it's not a 'fair' comparison. Australia's gun laws are completely different to the US. But more importantly, although I would expect a mayor of Sydney to be active in any Sydney crime crisis, police in Australia are state-run affairs.

I agree 100% that gun violence in the US is about as fucked as a porn star during their last set of the day. Where we differ is in believing Chicago is the worst or even atypical. Baltimore and St Louis are far more dangerous and that generally comes from Republican Governors playing partisan fuckery with peoples lives towards Democrat run cities.

I didn't say Chicago was the worst. I mentioned Chicago because it had an astonishingly remarkably bad weekend even by Chicago standards.

Democrat administrations preside over the most violent cities in America, by per-resident violent crime rate.

 

[bleubird]

Big box stores are not aggressive with shoplifting because it is not worth the time and money to do so.I work part time at convenience/liquor store. We usually handle it internally, 86ing them. The courts can't do much to a petty thief.