Scott Beierle, gunman in Tallahassee yoga studio shooting, had history of arrests for grabbing women

[Max Rockatansky]

This is the second deadly attack this year in which [Elliot] Rodger has been mentioned by the suspected assailant.

[Scott Beierle] also mentioned a girl who canceled dates on him. “I could have ripped her head off,” he said.

Shortly before Friday’s shooting, he uploaded one song called “Fuck ’Em All,” with the lyrics: “To hell with the boss that won’t get off my back / To hell with the girl I can’t get in the sack.”

Another song, called “Nobody’s Type,” featured him lamenting that women didn’t find him attractive. “I’m no athletic shark. I’m not a physical specimen. I don’t win the trophies and medals. Nobody stands in awe of me,” he sang.

In “American Wigger,” he sang that he would “blow off” the head of a woman he referred to using the c-word. The song “Locked in My Basement” featured an extremely disturbing tale of Beierle holding a woman prisoner in his basement using chains so he can rape her.

Other songs were entitled “Who Let the Fags Out?” and “Bring Your Fatwa.”

Beierle’s political affiliations were not immediately clear, but he was highly critical of the Obama administration in his 2014 videos. In one video, he said that he resented having to subsidize as a taxpayer “the casual sex lives of slutty girls” through the Affordable Care Act’s contraception provisions. In the same video, he also criticized “the invasion of Central American children” in the US that year and said the migrants seeking asylum should be deported on barges.

In a punk song he made called “Don’t Shame,” Beierle sang of walking into a girl’s locker room and going on an “ass-grabbing rampage of underage girls.” He also spoke about grabbing women in the song “Handful of Bare Ass.”

“I am pro-death,” the song continued. “The more that die the merrier.”

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...e-yoga-shooter-incel-far-right-misogyny-video

So we talk about mental health being an issue in too many of these rampage shootings, and people here are talking about "incels" being "nutters" like that is some sort of blanket psychological diagnosis...

Yet Scott Beierle (just like the majority of rampage shooters) was able to legally buy arsenals of guns.

So who here is in favor of a complete mental health assessment before someone is allowed to buy a gun?

Let's go with your idea. So now Beierle can't buy a gun so he just drives a large truck right through the building and the same results: several innocent women dead.

Why not make mental health screening a part of all annual physicals, many of which are covered by medical insurance? Wouldn't that identify people with problems and offer an opportunity to be helped before they do anything harmful to themselves (suicide is still a much larger problem than murder by a ratio of 4 to 1) or others? Such an action would also require legislation to break doctor-client privilege in reporting certain mental health problems for background checks along with a means of due process for being removed off such lists.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

So who here is in favor of a complete mental health assessment before someone is allowed to buy a gun?

Well, you don't need it as part of the purchasing process, but it is the type of thing which should get flagged in a background check and get the purchase denied.

It may be good to have some verifications done at the point of sale, however, such as if the MAGABomber was trying to buy a gun, the clerk could ask him "So, is that your van out front?" and if he says yes, refuse to sell him a firearm on those grounds.

 

[PyramidHead]

How about shutting down the toxic forums that legitimize and radicalize these people? We've rightfully put an end to state protections for speech that incite violence against minorities, but it's easy to find places on reddit or 4chan that are basically hotbeds of sexually frustrated men who believe that women owe them satisfaction, and they are constantly being reinforced in this view by other such men as they fantasize about rape and murder together. Surely this must be at least an important ingredient in the shit soup of circumstances that drives such people to acts like these.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

How about shutting down the toxic forums that legitimize and radicalize these people? We've rightfully put an end to state protections for speech that incite violence against minorities, but it's easy to find places on reddit or 4chan that are basically hotbeds of sexually frustrated men who believe that women owe them satisfaction, and they are constantly being reinforced in this view by other such men as they fantasize about rape and murder together. Surely this must be at least an important ingredient in the shit soup of circumstances that drives such people to acts like these.

Fair point. I don't think there's a Reddit subforum for ISIS or Al Quaida and a YouTube video talking about how wonderful the latest suicide bomber was would get pulled immediately, but this other group which promotes, lauds and encourages terrorism and murder on the part of its members gets free rein.

If the families of some of the victims would sue these websites for abetting murder, it might cause some changes in that. I don't know how viable the legal position for that would be, but the negative PR generated from fighting against it may be enough to have the companies act anyways.

 

[WAB]

It's not nonsense. The distinction is between those who have chosen not to seek sex and those who want sex but are unable to find it. The former is a personal choice, the latter in time harms it's victims.

The word incel means "involuntarily celibate". Incels are involuntary celibates. My point is you cannot be involuntarily celibate. Celibacy is a choice, a voluntary abstinence from sex. Not getting sex isn't celibacy.

My problem is purely technical. The term incel is self-contradictory, hence nonsense.

The condition the word refers to is not nonsense, as you say; and, as I said above, I can sympathize since I haven't had sex in 13 years. But sex is not a priority for me, and I don't pursue women, so the whole thing doesn't get me wound up.

I can understand how constant rejection can get a person into a bad state.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

It's not nonsense. The distinction is between those who have chosen not to seek sex and those who want sex but are unable to find it. The former is a personal choice, the latter in time harms it's victims.

The word incel means "involuntarily celibate". Incels are involuntary celibates. My point is you cannot be involuntarily celibate. Celibacy is a choice, a voluntary abstinence from sex. Not getting sex isn't celibacy.

My problem is purely technical. The term incel is self-contradictory, hence nonsense.

The condition the word refers to is not nonsense, as you say; and, as I said above, I can sympathize since I haven't had sex in 13 years. But sex is not a priority for me, and I don't pursue women, so the whole thing doesn't get me wound up.

I can understand how constant rejection can get a person into a bad state.

The term has evolved from being a precise definition of its meaning to referring to a particular subcategory of people.

 

[WAB]

It's not nonsense. The distinction is between those who have chosen not to seek sex and those who want sex but are unable to find it. The former is a personal choice, the latter in time harms it's victims.

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In short, they're fucking nutjobs who would be pitied as pathetic if they weren't so violent as the link below notes.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/25/raw-hatred-why-incel-movement-targets-terrorises-women
...calls its “raw hatred. It is vile. It is just incredibly unhinged and separate from reality and completely raw.” It has some crossover with white supremacism, in the sense that its adherents hang out in the same online spaces and share some of the same terminology, but it is quite distinctive in its hate figures: Stacys (attractive women); Chads (attractive men); and Normies (people who aren’t incels, ie can find partners but aren’t necessarily attractive). Basically, incels cannot get laid and they violently loathe anyone who can.

No, they loathe the ones that won't have sex with them.

From a biological standpoint, the harm would be identical whether the person wanted sex and couldn’t find a partner or whether they chose not to seek sex voluntarily.

Identical? I don't see how?

A man who can't find a woman can still "clean the pipes" and keep the prostate healthy.

If one decides to be completely chaste and not even masturbate, then I can see some biological harm ensuing. And mental/emotional trouble.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

From a biological standpoint, the harm would be identical whether the person wanted sex and couldn’t find a partner or whether they chose not to seek sex voluntarily.

Identical? I don't see how?

A man who can't find a woman can still "clean the pipes" and keep the prostate healthy.

If one decides to be completely chaste and not even masturbate, then I can see some biological harm ensuing. And mental/emotional trouble.

Agreed. The problem with Incels is that they feel entitled to have sex with whomever they like. When they don't get it, they resent it and can become violent.

 

[WAB]

It's not nonsense. The distinction is between those who have chosen not to seek sex and those who want sex but are unable to find it. The former is a personal choice, the latter in time harms it's victims.

The word incel means "involuntarily celibate". Incels are involuntary celibates. My point is you cannot be involuntarily celibate. Celibacy is a choice, a voluntary abstinence from sex. Not getting sex isn't celibacy.

My problem is purely technical. The term incel is self-contradictory, hence nonsense.

The condition the word refers to is not nonsense, as you say; and, as I said above, I can sympathize since I haven't had sex in 13 years. But sex is not a priority for me, and I don't pursue women, so the whole thing doesn't get me wound up.

I can understand how constant rejection can get a person into a bad state.

The term has evolved from being a precise definition of its meaning to referring to a particular subcategory of people.

Yeah, I get it. I'm nit-picking.

But celibacy is so far removed from what this category of people is all about. They actively seek sex, whereas celibates purposely avoid it.

But you're right - I won't press it further.

 

[PyramidHead]

How about shutting down the toxic forums that legitimize and radicalize these people? We've rightfully put an end to state protections for speech that incite violence against minorities, but it's easy to find places on reddit or 4chan that are basically hotbeds of sexually frustrated men who believe that women owe them satisfaction, and they are constantly being reinforced in this view by other such men as they fantasize about rape and murder together. Surely this must be at least an important ingredient in the shit soup of circumstances that drives such people to acts like these.

Fair point. I don't think there's a Reddit subforum for ISIS or Al Quaida and a YouTube video talking about how wonderful the latest suicide bomber was would get pulled immediately, but this other group which promotes, lauds and encourages terrorism and murder on the part of its members gets free rein.

If the families of some of the victims would sue these websites for abetting murder, it might cause some changes in that. I don't know how viable the legal position for that would be, but the negative PR generated from fighting against it may be enough to have the companies act anyways.

It's sad when the CEO of reddit is on record saying he's looking forward to the collapse of society so he can make use of his vast stockpiles of rations and fortified bunkers of weapons, becoming the leader of a Walking Dead-esque band of survivors (I wish I was kidding). We can only get so far waiting for private corporations to snuff out this kind of speech. Do people really think the recent synagogue shooting was totally unrelated to the rise of anti-Semitism on the internet in the last 10 years and particularly since Trump was elected? It's not the full and total cause, no doubt about that, but it never seems to occur to us that the basic lifestyle of the contemporary violent nutjob is spending 90% of their idle time on social media.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

How about shutting down the toxic forums that legitimize and radicalize these people? We've rightfully put an end to state protections for speech that incite violence against minorities, but it's easy to find places on reddit or 4chan that are basically hotbeds of sexually frustrated men who believe that women owe them satisfaction, and they are constantly being reinforced in this view by other such men as they fantasize about rape and murder together. Surely this must be at least an important ingredient in the shit soup of circumstances that drives such people to acts like these.

Fair point. I don't think there's a Reddit subforum for ISIS or Al Quaida and a YouTube video talking about how wonderful the latest suicide bomber was would get pulled immediately, but this other group which promotes, lauds and encourages terrorism and murder on the part of its members gets free rein.

If the families of some of the victims would sue these websites for abetting murder, it might cause some changes in that. I don't know how viable the legal position for that would be, but the negative PR generated from fighting against it may be enough to have the companies act anyways.

It's sad when the CEO of reddit is on record saying he's looking forward to the collapse of society so he can make use of his vast stockpiles of rations and fortified bunkers of weapons, becoming the leader of a Walking Dead-esque band of survivors (I wish I was kidding). We can only get so far waiting for private corporations to snuff out this kind of speech. Do people really think the recent synagogue shooting was totally unrelated to the rise of anti-Semitism on the internet in the last 10 years and particularly since Trump was elected? It's not the full and total cause, no doubt about that, but it never seems to occur to us that the basic lifestyle of the contemporary violent nutjob is spending 90% of their idle time on social media.

Is it weird that I am completely and totally unsurprised that the founder of Reddit has this kind of attitude?

Not that I predicted it or anything, but upon hearing it, I was like "Ya. That fits perfectly".

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It's sad when the CEO of reddit is on record saying he's looking forward to the collapse of society so he can make use of his vast stockpiles of rations and fortified bunkers of weapons, becoming the leader of a Walking Dead-esque band of survivors (I wish I was kidding). We can only get so far waiting for private corporations to snuff out this kind of speech. Do people really think the recent synagogue shooting was totally unrelated to the rise of anti-Semitism on the internet in the last 10 years and particularly since Trump was elected? It's not the full and total cause, no doubt about that, but it never seems to occur to us that the basic lifestyle of the contemporary violent nutjob is spending 90% of their idle time on social media.

Is it weird that I am completely and totally unsurprised that the founder of Reddit has this kind of attitude?

Not that I predicted it or anything, but upon hearing it, I was like "Ya. That fits perfectly".

Yeah, it is funny how it just makes sense.

Of course, what doesn't make sense is looking forward to eating crappy tasting food rations and pooping in a hole in the ground for the rest of your life while your only entertainment options are posting on Usenet and playing whatever media you have digital or hard copies of, when it is sunny out.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Of course, what doesn't make sense is looking forward to eating crappy tasting food rations and pooping in a hole in the ground for the rest of your life while your only entertainment options are posting on Usenet and playing whatever media you have digital or hard copies of, when it is sunny out.

Hey, it's still better than being rounded up and forced to break rocks for the rest of your life in a white slave camp run by the zombie Black Panthers.

I'm assuming that this is what he figures the world will be like after the societal breakdown. Just a guess.

 

[Derec]

Fair point. I don't think there's a Reddit subforum for ISIS or Al Quaida and a YouTube video talking about how wonderful the latest suicide bomber was would get pulled immediately, but this other group which promotes, lauds and encourages terrorism and murder on the part of its members gets free rein.

Don't know about Reddit, but the Hamas Islamist terrorist organization has an official Twitter account.

 

[RavenSky]

/mod

 

[Loren Pechtel]

From a biological standpoint, the harm would be identical whether the person wanted sex and couldn’t find a partner or whether they chose not to seek sex voluntarily.

Identical? I don't see how?

A man who can't find a woman can still "clean the pipes" and keep the prostate healthy.

If one decides to be completely chaste and not even masturbate, then I can see some biological harm ensuing. And mental/emotional trouble.

Masturbation deals with the physical issues, not the mental/emotional ones.

 

[WAB]

From a biological standpoint, the harm would be identical whether the person wanted sex and couldn’t find a partner or whether they chose not to seek sex voluntarily.

Identical? I don't see how?

A man who can't find a woman can still "clean the pipes" and keep the prostate healthy.

If one decides to be completely chaste and not even masturbate, then I can see some biological harm ensuing. And mental/emotional trouble.

Masturbation deals with the physical issues, not the mental/emotional ones.

Yes, I know. But Toni said from a biological standpoint, the harm would be identical.