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SCOTUS to take the cake

Jason Harvestdancer said:
Elixir said:
Nobody who goes by "Pickle" should be allowed to demand anything from anyone.
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This "Pickle" is 9 years old. I think chosen nicknames aren't nearly as impactful for 9 year old kids.
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I stand by my thesis: Nobody who goes by "Pickle" should be allowed to demand anything from anyone. PERIOD. I don't care if you're a goddam blastocyst. :p
 
Elixir said:
Jason Harvestdancer said:
This "Pickle" is 9 years old. I think chosen nicknames aren't nearly as impactful for 9 year old kids.
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I stand by my thesis: Nobody who goes by "Pickle" should be allowed to demand anything from anyone. PERIOD. I don't care if you're a goddam blastocyst. :p
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But what if you are a trumpoblast?
 
Meh, just have the cake order made by a friend under false pretenses and then have it modified after-the-fact to suit your needs. It's what I'd do if put under this type of situation. If you feel particularly spiteful, light up social media with the result, making a point to only give credit and exposure to the person responsible for the finishing touches.
 
Toni said:
Lion IRC said:
Why can't businesses say..."we don't sell THAT type of cake"?

If I'm a photographer/videographer and a client wants me to film pornography, I can say I don't do porn. I'm not legally obligated to serve that part of the market.

I can run a Subaru mechanical repairs shop that only does Subarus.

Straight prostitutes aren't forced to service gay clients.
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You are extremely naive if you believe that prostitutes service clients they are attracted to. Or gender.
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Well I don't believe that so - all's well.
 
laughing dog said:
Jason Harvestdancer said:
California bakers refuse to bake a pro-Trump cake for 9-year-old fan

The headline really contains all the details.

Bake the damn cake? Remember, personal beliefs aren't allowed to impact any decision making, and a cake with a picture on it is a cake with a picture on it, just as a cake with a message on it is a cake with a message on it.
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I am not sure this story is accurate. I can find no report with independent verification of the mother's claim.
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me either.

And I don't buy the mother's claims of being non-political, either. :rolleyes:

In any case, Phillip's lawyer answered his own stupid question:

“So, should these bakers be forced to design and create a Trump cake?” wrote Farris in a blog post about the situation.
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I've bolded the key words. If a baker doesn't ordinarily make baseball-hat-shaped cakes (or wedding cakes), the baker cannot be forced to design/create one. If the baker sells baseball-hat-shaped cakes, but refused to write MAGA on it, then it is a parallel. I do not believe that actually ever happened, though.
 
They could also not make cakes with political or controversial messages.
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
blastula said:
They could also not make cakes with political or controversial messages.
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Different people have different beliefs as to what is political or controversial. If your standard was adopted, the original bakers can say "Oh gay marriage is political and controversial" and not have to bake the damn cake.
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It seems you still don't understand the case in the OP. The bakers didn't refuse to sell a gay themed cake to a couple getting married. They refused to sell ANY cakes to the gay couple because they were gay. If the couple asked to buy the display wedding cake in the window the baker would have refused because the gays might have used it in their "abomination" of a wedding. Even though the cake itself violated none of their prejudices, only the customers did.
 
Elixir said:
Jason Harvestdancer said:
This "Pickle" is 9 years old. I think chosen nicknames aren't nearly as impactful for 9 year old kids.
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I stand by my thesis: Nobody who goes by "Pickle" should be allowed to demand anything from anyone. PERIOD. I don't care if you're a goddam blastocyst. :p
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Actually Pickle is an old English surname. :)
 
zorq said:
Jason Harvestdancer said:
Different people have different beliefs as to what is political or controversial. If your standard was adopted, the original bakers can say "Oh gay marriage is political and controversial" and not have to bake the damn cake.
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It seems you still don't understand the case in the OP. The bakers didn't refuse to sell a gay themed cake to a couple getting married. They refused to sell ANY cakes to the gay couple because they were gay. If the couple asked to buy the display wedding cake in the window the baker would have refused because the gays might have used it in their "abomination" of a wedding. Even though the cake itself violated none of their prejudices, only the customers did.
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And we have bakers refusing to sell a cake to a kid who likes Trump. I think I understand it better than you.
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
zorq said:
It seems you still don't understand the case in the OP. The bakers didn't refuse to sell a gay themed cake to a couple getting married. They refused to sell ANY cakes to the gay couple because they were gay. If the couple asked to buy the display wedding cake in the window the baker would have refused because the gays might have used it in their "abomination" of a wedding. Even though the cake itself violated none of their prejudices, only the customers did.
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And we have bakers refusing to sell a cake to a kid who likes Trump. I think I understand it better than you.
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You think wrong. Assuming the story is true as told, the mother could have bought a regular cake without any writing on it. The gay couple was refused a regular wedding cake.
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
blastula said:
They could also not make cakes with political or controversial messages.
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Different people have different beliefs as to what is political or controversial.
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So?

If your standard was adopted, the original bakers can say "Oh gay marriage is political and controversial" and not have to bake the damn cake.
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The damn cake? It bothers you that much when bakers can't refuse service to gays?

But you're talking out of your ass. The gay people in the court cases that were denied cakes were denied cakes without ever asking for a message on them.
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
zorq said:
It seems you still don't understand the case in the OP. The bakers didn't refuse to sell a gay themed cake to a couple getting married. They refused to sell ANY cakes to the gay couple because they were gay. If the couple asked to buy the display wedding cake in the window the baker would have refused because the gays might have used it in their "abomination" of a wedding. Even though the cake itself violated none of their prejudices, only the customers did.
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And we have bakers refusing to sell a cake to a kid who likes Trump. I think I understand it better than you.
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Your failure to acknowledge or identify the distinctive differences between these situations proves differently.
 
The difference here is the difference between a banana vendor refusing to sell a banana to a customer because that customer has freckles and a similar banana vendor refusing to fulfill a request to sell a banana carved to look like a penis.

That captures the distinctions sufficiently. Don't you think?
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Your stubbornly thick responses tell me I need to break this down a little more for you. So here we go.

In one case, the vendor has regular bananas and sells regular bananas every day, but he lets his prejudice of certain customers prevent him from selling a regular banana to those customers. In the other case, A vendor is receiving a special request to modify their product into a form that they object to and are refusing to help the commission of an expression they object to.

Tell me how I am wrong, if you can.
 
If you are in the business of raising and selling mice as pets, are you allowed to refuse to sell to somebody who says they want the mice to feed no their pet snake?

I think that is a better analogy getting at how the cake Baker views the sale of the cake. It is the same item but being put to a different use (as the baker sees it) to the point that he would argue it changes the nature of the item.
 
Jolly_Penguin said:
If you are in the business of raising and selling mice as pets, are you allowed to refuse to sell to somebody who says they want the mice to feed no their pet snake?

I think that is a better analogy getting at how the cake Baker views the sale of the cake. It is the same item but being put to a different use (as the baker sees it) to the point that he would argue it changes the nature of the item.
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You're right, that is a better analogy.
 
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