Sessions: Jesus wants me to separate families at the border

[Cheerful Charlie]

An old bit of wisdom from Texas ranchers is that it is easier to avoid stepping in cow shit than cleaning you boot when you do step in cow shit.

With this separation of children from parents at the border, Trump and the GOP have seemed to have stepped in a rather big cow flop, just before an election. It is going to take a lot of boot scraping to get this behind us by November 6th. Bluntly, at this point in time, Trump is getting slaughtered as far as the politics of this goes. And this puts the GOP candidates in a spot. Do they accept this ugly policy as necessary, or do they fight Trump. They can't just say "It is not a good policy" and then do nothing more.

Nice of Trump to come up with a good and powerful wedge issue all on his own. Next up, a flurry of law suits challenging this policy.

 

[Underseer]

The rest of the world is looking upon America with horror.

Meanwhile, Christianity is unable to explain to Christians why it is wrong to build concentration camps for children, thus nullifying pretty much every Christian argument about the nature of morality.

 

[repoman]

The rest of the world is looking upon America with horror.

Meanwhile, Christianity is unable to explain to Christians why it is wrong to build concentration camps for children, thus nullifying pretty much every Christian argument about the nature of morality.

This is you, Kalergi,

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The rest of the world is looking upon America with horror.

Meanwhile, Christianity is unable to explain to Christians why it is wrong to build concentration camps for children, thus nullifying pretty much every Christian argument about the nature of morality.

This is you, Kalergi,

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One doesn't need to be religious to be against herding children away from parents into confinement. And for the last 30 years of self-righteous bullshitery we've had to listen to from the religious right and their alleged "Family Values", this is hardly a hypocritical call towards them.

 

[Underseer]

The rest of the world is looking upon America with horror.

Meanwhile, Christianity is unable to explain to Christians why it is wrong to build concentration camps for children, thus nullifying pretty much every Christian argument about the nature of morality.

This is you, Kalergi,

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Ah, so when you call me "Kalergi," that is some kind of Nazi code for "person who doesn't think refugees are bad"? Yeah, we get that. Nazis hate foreigners, immigrants, and refugees. It's one of the reasons people think Nazis are bad.

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not up on the latest white supremacist code words/dog whistles.

And no, we don't need religion to explain why it's wrong to build concentration camps for children. We don't need religion to explain anything morally, but Christianity has shown itself to be a monumental failure in the discussion about child separation.

 

[Underseer]

The rest of the world is looking upon America with horror.

Meanwhile, Christianity is unable to explain to Christians why it is wrong to build concentration camps for children, thus nullifying pretty much every Christian argument about the nature of morality.

This is you, Kalergi,

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One doesn't need to be religious to be against herding children away from parents into confinement. And for the last 30 years of self-righteous bullshitery we've had to listen to from the religious right and their alleged "Family Values", this is hardly a hypocritical call towards them.

Conservative Christians want you to believe that Christianity is the only possible source of morality, yet somehow Christianity is completely unable to explain to the majority of Christians why it's wrong to build concentration camps for children.

I mean, I get why Nazis don't understand that. We expect Nazis white supremacists alt-right free speech warriors to be staggeringly immoral, but one would expect Christians to at least attempt the illusion of morality, wouldn't you?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Ah, so when you call me "Kalergi," that is some kind of Nazi code for "person who doesn't think refugees are bad"? Yeah, we get that. Nazis hate foreigners, immigrants, and refugees. It's one of the reasons people think Nazis are bad.

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not up on the latest white supremacist code words/dog whistles.

And no, we don't need religion to explain why it's wrong to build concentration camps for children. We don't need religion to explain anything morally, but Christianity has shown itself to be a monumental failure in the discussion about child separation.

Kalergi as a racial supremacist code word? I know you don't like to read anything but this is rather silly.

 Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi

 

[Sarpedon]

The Methodist Church is bringing what are essentially heresy charges against Sessions.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...nst-jeff-sessions_us_5b28fc2ee4b0a4dc9920b9dd

Apparently, racial discrimination is against church policy. The question is why haven't they brought it up with him before?

 

[Derec]

One doesn't need to be religious to be against herding children away from parents into confinement.

It would be better to hold parents and children together, and deport them together if their claims are denied.
But haven't federal courts put a kibosh on that, necessitating either this policy or else going back to "catch and release", something even Obama realized was not a tenable policy?

 

[Derec]

So, as an atheist, you're completely at ease with government officials quoting scriptures to support a policy which you also support.

1. I am not "completely at ease". But I am used to see religion used to justify certain political positions and policies from both sides. In the area of immigration in particular, religious arguments have been used for years in support of the pro-illegal/pro-open borders position. So now all of a sudden quoting the Bible is wrong if it is used the other way? Please.
2. Neither do I support the separation policy as such. I'd much rather see the illegals detained and deported together. But as I understand it, a federal judge forced it because keeping parents and children detained together was ruled unlawful. The alternative would be to go back to "catch and release" which even Obama (in 2014) thought was untenable.
3. I still think 'asylum' should not be abused to help economic migrants get into US.

So you would pay lip service, at best, to separation of church and state.

Wrong. But again, it's very commonplace in US politics to cite religion. I do not see how this is any different.

 

[Jayjay]

So is this koncentration kamps 4 kids thing just a ploy to get the wall built?

 

[Arctish]

So is this koncentration kamps 4 kids thing just a ploy to get the wall built?

I think so.

I think the Trump Administration is trying to find some kind leverage on the immigration issue and thought this would work. Trump's getting pretty damn angry he can't just issue orders to Senators and Representatives. They refuse to do his bidding. But he thinks they'll cave if he plays hardball.

The problem for him and the Republicans is that no one is buying his 'it's the Democrats' fault' bullshit, not when Republicans control both the House and Senate. And no one is buying his 'my hands are tied' spiel either, not when he's claiming he can pardon himself whenever he talks about the Mueller probe.

 

[Underseer]

An old bit of wisdom from Texas ranchers is that it is easier to avoid stepping in cow shit than cleaning you boot when you do step in cow shit.

With this separation of children from parents at the border, Trump and the GOP have seemed to have stepped in a rather big cow flop, just before an election. It is going to take a lot of boot scraping to get this behind us by November 6th. Bluntly, at this point in time, Trump is getting slaughtered as far as the politics of this goes. And this puts the GOP candidates in a spot. Do they accept this ugly policy as necessary, or do they fight Trump. They can't just say "It is not a good policy" and then do nothing more.

Nice of Trump to come up with a good and powerful wedge issue all on his own. Next up, a flurry of law suits challenging this policy.

Actually, they are convinced that this will help them in the election.

The plan is to use the outrage to say "See? Those nasty liberals and moderates don't want to protect the borders from those nasty brown people! But we do! Unlike the weak Democrats, we will protect you from those dirty brown toddlers who would be raping your wife right now had we not protected you with those Toddler Concentration Camps of Americaness!"

And you know what? Democratic politicians will totally fail to capitalize on this during the election, so it's entirely possible that Trump is right. Building toddler concentration camps may very well lead to electoral victories.

Never underestimate the extremism of Republican voters. 2016 should have proved that.

Just look at the way forum conservatives and libertarians have responded to this in this very thread. Many of them are convinced that the Evil Liberals are unfairly bashing Trump because only Trump is wise enough to protect us from those awful brown toddlers. Can't those libtards see that the toddlers are brown toddlers and therefore dangerous? So they are circling the wagons and summoning the most insane logic and the biggest lies in order to defend the existence of toddler concentration camps.

Because those are brown toddlers! Wake up, sheeple!

 

[scombrid]

So is this koncentration kamps 4 kids thing just a ploy to get the wall built?

Maybe he thinks he can force a victory on the wall this way?

Or

This is a massive planned distraction from the stuff that really matters.

1. 1.6 Trillion Dollar Tax Cut meant to be paid for by increased growth

2. Exit G7

3. Start and rapidly escalate trade war with the entire planet.

We know that even in good conditions growth never pays for such tax cuts. Follow those tax cuts with actions that are going to completely fuck any chance of sustained economic growth.

Is that deliberate or monumental Taj Mahal Casino Resort level stupidity? If it is monumental stupidity how does he have all of his cabinet cheerfully along for the ride? Can't do the tariffs without the complicity of some cabinet secretaries and such.

 

[scombrid]

The problem for him and the Republicans is that no one is buying his 'it's the Democrats' fault' bullshit, not when Republicans control both the House and Senate. And no one is buying his 'my hands are tied' spiel either, not when he's claiming he can pardon himself whenever he talks about the Mueller probe.

I wouldn't say "no one".

There are some very loud voices on social media that are blasting "it's the Democrats' fault" memes in very bold fonts.

It doesn't matter to them the amount of "discretion" that Trumps executive offices (EPA, Justice, Commerce) are using regarding other laws.

They believe fully that immediate detention is the exact letter of the law and that TrumpSessions is right for doing it.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Just look at the way forum conservatives and libertarians have responded to this in this very thread.

Yes, tell us about it, and be sure to say which responses are from which instead of lumping them together.

 

[braces_for_impact]

The White House Bible Study group that influenced Trump’s family separation policy.

A common theme I'm tired of hearing is that separating these families is unchristian. Klansman Sessions is just as much a Christian as those opposed to these actions. Of all the Christians involved in this debacle, their religion seemed incapable of preventing this damn tragedy. Also, what's with the Catholic priests all the news channels have been putting up as talking heads about how bad this is? Hello!? Catholic priests! Catholics should not be trotted out as moral authorities, especially with regards to children.

 

[Trausti]

LOL

 

[Trausti]

Assploading hypocrisy.

 

[Trausti]

Well, fuck it. Eh?