Six-year-old in North Carolina arrested for picking flower from lawn

[Jokodo]

I didn't call the police. Partly because I didn't actually see what happened.

According to a poster here, you should have called the police - you "don't have to put up with other people's badly raised children".
Fuck that little felon and the horse-face mother she rode in on. It's not like everyone can afford to move into a gated community, you know.

According to a poster here, "Fuck yo Flowers", imma buy the kid ice cream.
Tom

Do you really not understand, or are you acting stupid on purpose? The kid deserves stern deserves stern words and consequences if that doesn't help for picking strangers' flowers. The neighbour deserves a sincere apology and possibly compensation for their loss. That's not disputed. However, dragging a six year old to court is not an appropriate way to achieve that in civilised countries like Canada, Germany, Japan, Myanmar, Uganda or Saudi Arabia - around the world it is recognized that retribution has to be obtained through the parents. This kind of shit only happens in savage places like IS controlled areas Syria, Boko Haram controlled areas of Nigeria, and apparently Republican controlled areas of North America.

The kid deserves ice cream for what he had to go through, not for what he did. The house owner (to the extent that he/she meant this to happen) deserves a "fuck yo flowers" for what they did, not for what happened to them, or for seeking remedy as such. The state of North Carolina deserves an international peace making mission for allowing this to happen.

 

[Politesse]

Acting like a child picking a flower is some sort of serious personal injury is... acting like a child. No wonder these people think arresting a child is fair game, they're on a level playing field with them! Some Lord of the Flies shit going on around here.

 

[Gun Nut]

Are you really asking what the degree of a parent taking responsibility for their child has to do with the appropriateness of the child's behavior?

No, I'm asking what the degree of a parent taking responsibility for their child has to do with the state subduing the child to a treatment no child should ever have to experience. That is, after all, what this thread is about.

The treatment you are referring to is being given a coloring book by the public defender to play with while the adults talk about things the child does not understand or care about? That treatment? Or something else?

 

[Gun Nut]

Do you have reason to believe this did not occur? What if the parents were completely defensive of their precious, perfect child and all but guaranteed continued destruction of their property because "fuck you" and "what are you going to do about it"?... and that's what they were then forced to do.

If the parents were "completely defensive (...) and all but guaranteed continued destruction of their property", that doesn't change the fact that the parents are morally and legally responsible for their child of six years, while the child is physically, mentally, and legally incapable of being responsible. If you want to get your problem sorted over the parents' irresponsibility, you send CPS, or the cops, or a swat team, or when it comes down to it a drone, after the parents. You don't send the cops after a six-year-old to drag him to court as a defendant, and if any neighbour tries to do so, the State should laugh them out of the room rather than follow their bidding.

You make it sound like they arrested the child, beat her, knocked her to the ground, tased her, and then actually DRAGGED her into jail.
What really happened is that the parents finaly responded to a threatening letter and brought their child to the courthouse for a discussion.

 

[Jokodo]

Are you really asking what the degree of a parent taking responsibility for their child has to do with the appropriateness of the child's behavior?

No, I'm asking what the degree of a parent taking responsibility for their child has to do with the state subduing the child to a treatment no child should ever have to experience. That is, after all, what this thread is about.

The treatment you are referring to is being given a coloring book by the public defender to play with while the adults talk about things the child does not understand or care about? That treatment? Or something else?

The fact that the people involved seemed embarassed enough to do their best not to make the experience more traumatic than it already is does not rectify the wrong of dragging a six year old to court in the first place.

 

[Toni]

According to a poster here, "Fuck yo Flowers", imma buy the kid ice cream.
Tom

Yeah, for filing a complaint on a six-year-old and not the adult, the kid deserves ice cream while the complainer deserves the "fuck yo flowers".

Calling the cops over a tulip deserves nothing but derision.

 

[Toni]

Do you have reason to believe this did not occur? What if the parents were completely defensive of their precious, perfect child and all but guaranteed continued destruction of their property because "fuck you" and "what are you going to do about it"?... and that's what they were then forced to do.

If the parents were "completely defensive (...) and all but guaranteed continued destruction of their property", that doesn't change the fact that the parents are morally and legally responsible for their child of six years, while the child is physically, mentally, and legally incapable of being responsible. If you want to get your problem sorted over the parents' irresponsibility, you send CPS, or the cops, or a swat team, or when it comes down to it a drone, after the parents. You don't send the cops after a six-year-old to drag him to court as a defendant, and if any neighbour tries to do so, the State should laugh them out of the room rather than follow their bidding.

You make it sound like they arrested the child, beat her, knocked her to the ground, tased her, and then actually DRAGGED her into jail.
What really happened is that the parents finaly responded to a threatening letter and brought their child to the courthouse for a discussion.

Really?

Where's the link that explains that?

BTW, a threatening letter is way overboard for a 6 year old picking a tulip.

Also, we've seen video of cops tazing a kindegartener for having a melt down at school.

 

[Jokodo]

Do you have reason to believe this did not occur? What if the parents were completely defensive of their precious, perfect child and all but guaranteed continued destruction of their property because "fuck you" and "what are you going to do about it"?... and that's what they were then forced to do.

If the parents were "completely defensive (...) and all but guaranteed continued destruction of their property", that doesn't change the fact that the parents are morally and legally responsible for their child of six years, while the child is physically, mentally, and legally incapable of being responsible. If you want to get your problem sorted over the parents' irresponsibility, you send CPS, or the cops, or a swat team, or when it comes down to it a drone, after the parents. You don't send the cops after a six-year-old to drag him to court as a defendant, and if any neighbour tries to do so, the State should laugh them out of the room rather than follow their bidding.

You make it sound like they arrested the child, beat her, knocked her to the ground, tased her, and then actually DRAGGED her into jail.
What really happened is that the parents finaly responded to a threatening letter and brought their child to the courthouse for a discussion.

I can't read the Winston saleem journal link (they make it unavailable to European readers to avoid having to comply with European data protection laws it appears) but I see nothing remotely suggesting that in the OP link. Can you provide a quote supporting your narrative? Also, why would the parents be called before a juvenile court? It doesn't make sense.

Edit: Also, the OP clearly talks about a boy. You referring to the child as "her" doesn't exactly reinforce the impression of you as someone who knows or cares "what really happened".

 

[TomC]

According to a poster here, "Fuck yo Flowers", imma buy the kid ice cream.
Tom

Yeah, for filing a complaint on a six-year-old and not the adult, the kid deserves ice cream while the complainer deserves the "fuck yo flowers".

Calling the cops over a tulip deserves nothing but derision.

You and Gospel and many other posters in this thread seem supremely confident that you know everything important about what happened. I just don't have that much confidence in my own opinion, because I doubt that I really know what all happened. I've mostly pointed out broad strokes and plausible scenarios that don't match the prevailing narrative.


I've been watching that happen over and over in the world of modern media. Biased and woefully incomplete reporting becomes the foundation for huge, but ill informed, outrage.

Tom

 

[Toni]

Calling the cops over a tulip deserves nothing but derision.

You and Gospel and many other posters in this thread seem supremely confident that you know everything important about what happened. I just don't have that much confidence in my own opinion, because I doubt that I really know what all happened. I've mostly pointed out broad strokes and plausible scenarios that don't match the prevailing narrative.


I've been watching that happen over and over in the world of modern media. Biased and woefully incomplete reporting becomes the foundation for huge, but ill informed, outrage.

Tom

I'm sorry about your tree.

 

[laughing dog]

Calling the cops over a tulip deserves nothing but derision.

You and Gospel and many other posters in this thread seem supremely confident that you know everything important about what happened. I just don't have that much confidence in my own opinion, because I doubt that I really know what all happened. I've mostly pointed out broad strokes and plausible scenarios that don't match the prevailing narrative.


I've been watching that happen over and over in the world of modern media. Biased and woefully incomplete reporting becomes the foundation for huge, but ill informed, outrage.

Tom

Perhaps you could present a plausible scenario where calling the police over a 6 year old picking a tulip and that the justice system lets it get as far as to the judge is warranted.

 

[TomC]

Calling the cops over a tulip deserves nothing but derision.

You and Gospel and many other posters in this thread seem supremely confident that you know everything important about what happened. I just don't have that much confidence in my own opinion, because I doubt that I really know what all happened. I've mostly pointed out broad strokes and plausible scenarios that don't match the prevailing narrative.


I've been watching that happen over and over in the world of modern media. Biased and woefully incomplete reporting becomes the foundation for huge, but ill informed, outrage.

Tom

Perhaps you could present a plausible scenario where calling the police over a 6 year old picking a tulip and that the justice system lets it get as far as to the judge is warranted.

I already have.
Let me repeat one.

The kids at the bus stop have been vandalizing the home owners yard for years. The city has been promising to move the bus stop for almost as long.
But they never get around to doing it. And the homeowners can't get the parents to take any responsibility either. "Fuck yo Flowers"
This was an opportunity for the homeowners to put some social pressure on the adults who don't give a damn. From miscreant parents to the city government, according to law, their complaints couldn't just be blown off. They'd have to arrest a 6 y/o.


I'm not claiming that is true. I'm the one who isn't claiming to know what really happened.
Tom

 

[Jokodo]

Perhaps you could present a plausible scenario where calling the police over a 6 year old picking a tulip and that the justice system lets it get as far as to the judge is warranted.

I already have.
Let me repeat one.

The kids at the bus stop have been vandalizing the home owners yard for years. The city has been promising to move the bus stop for almost as long.
But they never get around to doing it. And the homeowners can't get the parents to take any responsibility either. "Fuck yo Flowers"
This was an opportunity for the homeowners to put some social pressure on the adults who don't give a damn. From miscreant parents to the city government, according to law, their complaints couldn't just be blown off. They'd have to arrest a 6 y/o.


I'm not claiming that is true. I'm the one who isn't claiming to know what really happened.
Tom

Kidnapping and threatening a child to put pressure on the parents is something Somali pirates might do. It's not the kind if thing a homeowner who just wants their peace, or a functioning justice system in a semi-civiliced country does.

Ever.

There might be other contributing factors beyond North Carolina being a shithole with a fucked up legal system, but none of them subtract from the conclusion that what we know is enough to conclude that North Carolina is indeed a shithole with a fucked up legal system. You can let your imagination roam and invent the wildest scenarios, but short of an experimental gene therapy that lets humans mature at two - three times the normal rate (making this six-year-old mentally at least a teenager), there's nothing that justifies this.

 

[laughing dog]

Perhaps you could present a plausible scenario where calling the police over a 6 year old picking a tulip and that the justice system lets it get as far as to the judge is warranted.

I already have.
Let me repeat one.

The kids at the bus stop have been vandalizing the home owners yard for years. The city has been promising to move the bus stop for almost as long.
But they never get around to doing it. And the homeowners can't get the parents to take any responsibility either. "Fuck yo Flowers"
This was an opportunity for the homeowners to put some social pressure on the adults who don't give a damn. From miscreant parents to the city government, according to law, their complaints couldn't just be blown off. They'd have to arrest a 6 y/o.


I'm not claiming that is true. I'm the one who isn't claiming to know what really happened.
Tom

Reading is fundamental - your scenario does not address the part about the criminal justice system letting get as far as it did to the judge, because complaints to the police do not automatically generate charges.

 

[TomC]

Perhaps you could present a plausible scenario where calling the police over a 6 year old picking a tulip and that the justice system lets it get as far as to the judge is warranted.

I already have.
Let me repeat one.

The kids at the bus stop have been vandalizing the home owners yard for years. The city has been promising to move the bus stop for almost as long.
But they never get around to doing it. And the homeowners can't get the parents to take any responsibility either. "Fuck yo Flowers"
This was an opportunity for the homeowners to put some social pressure on the adults who don't give a damn. From miscreant parents to the city government, according to law, their complaints couldn't just be blown off. They'd have to arrest a 6 y/o.


I'm not claiming that is true. I'm the one who isn't claiming to know what really happened.
Tom

Kidnapping and threatening a child to put pressure on the parents is something Somali pirates might do. It's not the kind if thing a homeowner who just wants their peace, or a functioning justice system in a semi-civiliced country does.

Ever.

In what way is this relevant to my post?
Tom

 

[Politesse]

Perhaps you could present a plausible scenario where calling the police over a 6 year old picking a tulip and that the justice system lets it get as far as to the judge is warranted.

I already have.
Let me repeat one.

The kids at the bus stop have been vandalizing the home owners yard for years. The city has been promising to move the bus stop for almost as long.
But they never get around to doing it. And the homeowners can't get the parents to take any responsibility either. "Fuck yo Flowers"
This was an opportunity for the homeowners to put some social pressure on the adults who don't give a damn. From miscreant parents to the city government, according to law, their complaints couldn't just be blown off. They'd have to arrest a 6 y/o.


I'm not claiming that is true. I'm the one who isn't claiming to know what really happened.
Tom

If the current laws "require" you to arrest a child to put "pressure" on the parents, the law needs to be fucking changed. Or you could just grow up and stop acting like an eight year old over unimportant bullshit like whether or not a kindergartner with the wrong color skin picked your flower or not.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Perhaps you could present a plausible scenario where calling the police over a 6 year old picking a tulip and that the justice system lets it get as far as to the judge is warranted.

I already have.
Let me repeat one.

The kids at the bus stop have been vandalizing the home owners yard for years. The city has been promising to move the bus stop for almost as long.
But they never get around to doing it. And the homeowners can't get the parents to take any responsibility either. "Fuck yo Flowers"
This was an opportunity for the homeowners to put some social pressure on the adults who don't give a damn. From miscreant parents to the city government, according to law, their complaints couldn't just be blown off. They'd have to arrest a 6 y/o.


I'm not claiming that is true. I'm the one who isn't claiming to know what really happened.
Tom

If the current laws "require" you to arrest a child to put "pressure" on the parents, the law needs to be fucking changed. Or you could just grow up and stop acting like an eight year old over unimportant bullshit like whether or not a kindergartner with the wrong color skin picked your flower or not.

That's already been debunked. Not sure why he keeps repeating it.

 

[Jokodo]

Kidnapping and threatening a child to put pressure on the parents is something Somali pirates might do. It's not the kind if thing a homeowner who just wants their peace, or a functioning justice system in a semi-civiliced country does.

Ever.

In what way is this relevant to my post?
Tom

Because this thread is about a six year old who was dragged to court to defend himself for his crimes, and you're fucking justifying that mess by saying "maybe they did it to put pressure on the parents whom they couldn't get to cooperate otherwise?"

That's fucking Somali pirate level logic.

 

[TomC]

Perhaps you could present a plausible scenario where calling the police over a 6 year old picking a tulip and that the justice system lets it get as far as to the judge is warranted.

I already have.
Let me repeat one.

The kids at the bus stop have been vandalizing the home owners yard for years. The city has been promising to move the bus stop for almost as long.
But they never get around to doing it. And the homeowners can't get the parents to take any responsibility either. "Fuck yo Flowers"
This was an opportunity for the homeowners to put some social pressure on the adults who don't give a damn. From miscreant parents to the city government, according to law, their complaints couldn't just be blown off. They'd have to arrest a 6 y/o.


I'm not claiming that is true. I'm the one who isn't claiming to know what really happened.
Tom

If the current laws "require" you to arrest a child to put "pressure" on the parents, the law needs to be fucking changed. Or you could just grow up and stop acting like an eight year old over unimportant bullshit like whether or not a kindergartner with the wrong color skin picked your flower or not.

You've never responded to my requests for information.
Did this happen 13 years ago or not?
Tom

 

[TomC]

Kidnapping and threatening a child to put pressure on the parents is something Somali pirates might do. It's not the kind if thing a homeowner who just wants their peace, or a functioning justice system in a semi-civiliced country does.

Ever.

In what way is this relevant to my post?
Tom

Because this thread is about a six year old who was dragged to court to defend himself for his crimes, and you're fucking justifying that mess by saying "maybe they did it to put pressure on the parents whom they couldn't get to cooperate otherwise?"

That's fucking Somali pirate level logic.

No, that isn't what I said. Not even close.
Tom