Stop Unaffordable Dishwasher Standards (SUDS) Act

[thebeave]

In the SW, it is water consumption that likely is the driving issue, not electricity. Using 1/3 to 1/2 the water in all new machines reduces that draw on water supplies in the SW which aren't remotely sustainable or assured. For refrigerators, it'll be about power consumption. I can't believe people are actually arguing against efficiency. People are losing their minds. They are building smoke stacks on the trucks to blow black smoke because they are unhinged and insane.

Not that long ago, dishwashers used 10 to 15 gallons of water per load, but are now down to about 5 gallons. That's an impressive and laudable achievement that we achieved through good engineering and improved technology. There is not that much more we can go, though, in terms of water savings. Maybe we could save another gallon or so by making some technological improvements...I don't know. But the fact is, that an average shower uses about 16 gallons of water per person. Dishwasher water and energy use are practically at the de minimus level as far as overall household water and energy use. Our quest for water and energy savings would be better spent elsewhere, IMHO.

A big energy consumer is the dryer. Given my electric bills lately and the hot weather, I've been thinking a lot lately of hanging my clothes out to dry in the sun like my grammy did (the first dryer she ever bought was in 1973), but I haven't figured out a great spot yet for a clothesline. Sometimes the olden days had it right.

 

[Politesse]

Why? Why did we cut the water consumption of washing machines by a third?

That well known Republican legislative love of environment spurring billionaires to voluntarily innovate, perhaps?

 

[TV and credit cards]

In the SW, it is water consumption that likely is the driving issue, not electricity. Using 1/3 to 1/2 the water in all new machines reduces that draw on water supplies in the SW which aren't remotely sustainable or assured. For refrigerators, it'll be about power consumption. I can't believe people are actually arguing against efficiency. People are losing their minds. They are building smoke stacks on the trucks to blow black smoke because they are unhinged and insane.

Not that long ago, dishwashers used 10 to 15 gallons of water per load, but are now down to about 5 gallons. That's an impressive and laudable achievement that we achieved through good engineering and improved technology. There is not that much more we can go, though, in terms of water savings. Maybe we could save another gallon or so by making some technological improvements...I don't know. But the fact is, that an average shower uses about 16 gallons of water per person. Dishwasher water and energy use are practically at the de minimus level as far as overall household water and energy use. Our quest for water and energy savings would be better spent elsewhere, IMHO.

A big energy consumer is the dryer. Given my electric bills lately and the hot weather, I've been thinking a lot lately of hanging my clothes out to dry in the sun like my grammy did (the first dryer she ever bought was in 1973), but I haven't figured out a great spot yet for a clothesline. Sometimes the olden days had it right.

I used my dishwasher a few times when I first got it and that was it. Considering the water and electricity use combined, I can't imagine my washing by hand is overall more wasteful. I make a point of turning on the water only when necessary. If I lapse and let the water run unnecessarily, Ed Begley Jr. appears over my shoulder and wags a finger at me.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

In the SW, it is water consumption that likely is the driving issue, not electricity. Using 1/3 to 1/2 the water in all new machines reduces that draw on water supplies in the SW which aren't remotely sustainable or assured. For refrigerators, it'll be about power consumption. I can't believe people are actually arguing against efficiency. People are losing their minds. They are building smoke stacks on the trucks to blow black smoke because they are unhinged and insane.

Not that long ago, dishwashers used 10 to 15 gallons of water per load, but are now down to about 5 gallons. That's an impressive and laudable achievement that we achieved through good engineering and improved technology. There is not that much more we can go, though, in terms of water savings. Maybe we could save another gallon or so by making some technological improvements...I don't know.

Well, the new standard would be looking for about 1.6 gallon reduction. When areas are looking into treating wastewater into drinking water, probably need to reduce water consumption everywhere possible.

But the fact is, that an average shower uses about 16 gallons of water per person. Dishwasher water and energy use are practically at the de minimus level as far as overall household water and energy use. Our quest for water and energy savings would be better spent elsewhere, IMHO.

Careful, The Daily Mail might see your post. RINO CONSERVATIVE DEMANDS PEOPLE TAKE MICRO-SHOWERS!!!

A big energy consumer is the dryer. Given my electric bills lately and the hot weather, I've been thinking a lot lately of hanging my clothes out to dry in the sun like my grammy did (the first dryer she ever bought was in 1973), but I haven't figured out a great spot yet for a clothesline. Sometimes the olden days had it right.

I do like the HE washers which help reduce drying time. That and my sky high sewer bill is lower too. I do have the clothes line in the back though. Don't use it as much as I used to.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I used my dishwasher a few times when I first got it and that was it. Considering the water and electricity use combined, I can't imagine my washing by hand is overall more wasteful. I make a point of turning on the water only when necessary. If I lapse and let the water run unnecessarily, Ed Begley Jr. appears over my shoulder and wags a finger at me.

Go online and they'll swear you'll save water by buying a dishwasher. That is, if you run your faucet at full blast for the duration of the dish washing. We are a family of 3. A family of 5 or 6, the math could make the dishwasher better.

 

[Elixir]

Why did we cut the water consumption of washing machines by a third?

Because noisy libs made it propitious to do so. That seems to be the only way anything happens to benefit the environment.
But the Beave has a good point about dishwashers not being any low hanging fruit in the grand scheme. And making EVERYONE "save" water isn't even a worthwhile pursuit; I doubt anyone living in Northern Minnesota worries too much about it. Water has been a guiding force in my where to live choices. I have a domestic well and there are no wells uphill from me (that I know of) in this section of this watershed. I am legally permitted to "green up" an acre of ground with that water, and could get an augmentation well if I wanted one. The well gets pure snowmelt filtered through alluvial rack and dirt (where it picks up fairly high but tolerable mineral content) and after use, it goes into a leach field and eventually back into the riverbed it was originally headed for before it was pumped out of the ground, but first it gets filtered again through a couple hundred yards of ground. I have no qualms whatsoever about "wasting" hundreds or even thousands of gallons of water. I don't think it makes a drop of difference to anyone downstream from me - or anywhere else. And it makes for a tiny bit of really rich grazing...

 

[thebeave]

Why? Why did we cut the water consumption of washing machines by a third?

That well known Republican legislative love of environment spurring billionaires to voluntarily innovate, perhaps?

There is a rather long and convoluted history of appliance efficiency regulations dating all the way back to around the mid-70's during the Ford administration. You can google to find out the details. Both Republican and Democrat administrations since then have added to it. This was back in the days when they weren't bitter enemies and could be expected to come together and compromise.

 

[Bomb#20]

Compared to other appliances*, the dishwasher rule is a paragon of comprehensibility.

Does anyone want to seriously argue that this level of economic micromanagement is good for getting billionaires to innovate anything but lobbying strategies?

Table 1 to Paragraph (a)(1)

Product class	Equations for maximum energy use
(kWh/yr)
based on AV
(ft3)	based on av
(L)
1. Refrigerators and refrigerator-freezers with manual defrost	7.99AV + 225.0	0.282av + 225.0.
1A. All-refrigerators—manual defrost	6.79AV + 193.6	0.240av + 193.6.
2. Refrigerator-freezers—partial automatic defrost	7.99AV + 225.0	0.282av + 225.0.
3. Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with top-mounted freezer without an automatic icemaker	8.07AV + 233.7	0.285av + 233.7.
3-BI. Built-in refrigerator-freezer—automatic defrost with top-mounted freezer without an automatic icemaker	9.15AV + 264.9	0.323av + 264.9.
3I. Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with top-mounted freezer with an automatic icemaker without through-the-door ice service	8.07AV + 317.7	0.285av + 317.7.
3I-BI. Built-in refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with top-mounted freezer with an automatic icemaker without through-the-door ice service	9.15AV + 348.9	0.323av + 348.9.
3A. All-refrigerators—automatic defrost	7.07AV + 201.6	0.250av + 201.6.
3A-BI. Built-in All-refrigerators—automatic defrost	8.02AV + 228.5	0.283av + 228.5.
4. Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with side-mounted freezer without an automatic icemaker	8.51AV + 297.8	0.301av + 297.8.
4-BI. Built-In Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with side-mounted freezer without an automatic icemaker	10.22AV + 357.4	0.361av + 357.4.
4I. Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with side-mounted freezer with an automatic icemaker without through-the-door ice service	8.51AV + 381.8	0.301av + 381.8.
4I-BI. Built-In Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with side-mounted freezer with an automatic icemaker without through-the-door ice service	10.22AV + 441.4.2	0.361av + 441.4.
5. Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with bottom-mounted freezer without an automatic icemaker	8.85AV + 317.0	0.312av + 317.0.
5-BI. Built-In Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with bottom-mounted freezer without an automatic icemaker	9.40AV + 336.9	0.332av + 336.9.
5I. Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with bottom-mounted freezer with an automatic icemaker without through-the-door ice service	8.85AV + 401.0	0.312av + 401.0.
5I-BI. Built-In Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with bottom-mounted freezer with an automatic icemaker without through-the-door ice service	9.40AV + 420.9	0.332av + 420.9.
5A. Refrigerator-freezer—automatic defrost with bottom-mounted freezer with through-the-door ice service	9.25AV + 475.4	0.327av + 475.4.
5A-BI. Built-in refrigerator-freezer—automatic defrost with bottom-mounted freezer with through-the-door ice service	9.83AV + 499.9	0.347av + 499.9.
6. Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with top-mounted freezer with through-the-door ice service	8.40AV + 385.4	0.297av + 385.4.
7. Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with side-mounted freezer with through-the-door ice service	8.54AV + 432.8	0.302av + 431.1.
7-BI. Built-In Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with side-mounted freezer with through-the-door ice service	10.25AV + 502.6	0.362av + 502.6.
8. Upright freezers with manual defrost	5.57AV + 193.7	0.197av + 193.7.
9. Upright freezers with automatic defrost without an automatic icemaker	8.62AV + 228.3	0.305av + 228.3.
9I. Upright freezers with automatic defrost with an automatic icemaker	8.62AV + 312.3	0.305av + 312.3.
9-BI. Built-In Upright freezers with automatic defrost without an automatic icemaker	9.86AV + 260.9	0.348av + 260.6.
9I-BI. Built-In Upright freezers with automatic defrost with an automatic icemaker	9.86AV + 344.9	0.348av + 344.9.
10. Chest freezers and all other freezers except compact freezers	7.29AV + 107.8	0.257av + 107.8.
10A. Chest freezers with automatic defrost	10.24AV + 148.1	0.362av + 148.1.
11. Compact refrigerators and refrigerator-freezers with manual defrost	9.03AV + 252.3	0.319av + 252.3.
11A.Compact refrigerators and refrigerator-freezers with manual defrost	7.84AV + 219.1	0.277av + 219.1.
12. Compact refrigerator-freezers—partial automatic defrost	5.91AV + 335.8	0.209av + 335.8.
13. Compact refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with top-mounted freezer	11.80AV + 339.2	0.417av + 339.2.
13I. Compact refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with top-mounted freezer with an automatic icemaker	11.80AV + 423.2	0.417av + 423.2.
13A. Compact all-refrigerator—automatic defrost	9.17AV + 259.3	0.324av + 259.3.
14. Compact refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with side-mounted freezer	6.82AV + 456.9	0.241av + 456.9.
14I. Compact refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with side-mounted freezer with an automatic icemaker	6.82AV + 540.9	0.241av + 540.9.
15. Compact refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with bottom-mounted freezer	11.80AV + 339.2	0.417av + 339.2.
15I. Compact refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with bottom-mounted freezer with an automatic icemaker	11.80AV + 423.2	0.417av + 423.2.
16. Compact upright freezers with manual defrost	8.65AV + 225.7	0.306av + 225.7.
17. Compact upright freezers with automatic defrost	10.17AV + 351.9	0.359av + 351.9.
18. Compact chest freezers	9.25AV + 136.8	0.327av + 136.8.
AV = Total adjusted volume, expressed in ft3, as determined in appendices A and B to subpart B of this part.

av = Total adjusted volume, expressed in Liters.

 

[thebeave]

In the SW, it is water consumption that likely is the driving issue, not electricity. Using 1/3 to 1/2 the water in all new machines reduces that draw on water supplies in the SW which aren't remotely sustainable or assured. For refrigerators, it'll be about power consumption. I can't believe people are actually arguing against efficiency. People are losing their minds. They are building smoke stacks on the trucks to blow black smoke because they are unhinged and insane.

Not that long ago, dishwashers used 10 to 15 gallons of water per load, but are now down to about 5 gallons. That's an impressive and laudable achievement that we achieved through good engineering and improved technology. There is not that much more we can go, though, in terms of water savings. Maybe we could save another gallon or so by making some technological improvements...I don't know. But the fact is, that an average shower uses about 16 gallons of water per person. Dishwasher water and energy use are practically at the de minimus level as far as overall household water and energy use. Our quest for water and energy savings would be better spent elsewhere, IMHO.

A big energy consumer is the dryer. Given my electric bills lately and the hot weather, I've been thinking a lot lately of hanging my clothes out to dry in the sun like my grammy did (the first dryer she ever bought was in 1973), but I haven't figured out a great spot yet for a clothesline. Sometimes the olden days had it right.

I used my dishwasher a few times when I first got it and that was it. Considering the water and electricity use combined, I can't imagine my washing by hand is overall more wasteful. I make a point of turning on the water only when necessary. If I lapse and let the water run unnecessarily, Ed Begley Jr. appears over my shoulder and wags a finger at me.

Ed Begley, Jr takes things a little too far, methinks. Wikipedia says he has "an electricity-generating bicycle used to toast bread." Oooooooookay.

I do like his cameo on The Simpsons though...

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Compared to other appliances*, the dishwasher rule is a paragon of comprehensibility.

Does anyone want to seriously argue that this level of economic micromanagement is good for getting billionaires to innovate anything but lobbying strategies?

Table 1 to Paragraph (a)(1)

Product class	Equations for maximum energy use
(kWh/yr)
based on AV
(ft3)	based on av
(L)
1. Refrigerators and refrigerator-freezers with manual defrost	7.99AV + 225.0	0.282av + 225.0.
1A. All-refrigerators—manual defrost	6.79AV + 193.6	0.240av + 193.6.
2. Refrigerator-freezers—partial automatic defrost	7.99AV + 225.0	0.282av + 225.0.
3. Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with top-mounted freezer without an automatic icemaker	8.07AV + 233.7	0.285av + 233.7.
3-BI. Built-in refrigerator-freezer—automatic defrost with top-mounted freezer without an automatic icemaker	9.15AV + 264.9	0.323av + 264.9.
3I. Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with top-mounted freezer with an automatic icemaker without through-the-door ice service	8.07AV + 317.7	0.285av + 317.7.
3I-BI. Built-in refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with top-mounted freezer with an automatic icemaker without through-the-door ice service	9.15AV + 348.9	0.323av + 348.9.
3A. All-refrigerators—automatic defrost	7.07AV + 201.6	0.250av + 201.6.
3A-BI. Built-in All-refrigerators—automatic defrost	8.02AV + 228.5	0.283av + 228.5.
4. Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with side-mounted freezer without an automatic icemaker	8.51AV + 297.8	0.301av + 297.8.
4-BI. Built-In Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with side-mounted freezer without an automatic icemaker	10.22AV + 357.4	0.361av + 357.4.
4I. Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with side-mounted freezer with an automatic icemaker without through-the-door ice service	8.51AV + 381.8	0.301av + 381.8.
4I-BI. Built-In Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with side-mounted freezer with an automatic icemaker without through-the-door ice service	10.22AV + 441.4.2	0.361av + 441.4.
5. Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with bottom-mounted freezer without an automatic icemaker	8.85AV + 317.0	0.312av + 317.0.
5-BI. Built-In Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with bottom-mounted freezer without an automatic icemaker	9.40AV + 336.9	0.332av + 336.9.
5I. Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with bottom-mounted freezer with an automatic icemaker without through-the-door ice service	8.85AV + 401.0	0.312av + 401.0.
5I-BI. Built-In Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with bottom-mounted freezer with an automatic icemaker without through-the-door ice service	9.40AV + 420.9	0.332av + 420.9.
5A. Refrigerator-freezer—automatic defrost with bottom-mounted freezer with through-the-door ice service	9.25AV + 475.4	0.327av + 475.4.
5A-BI. Built-in refrigerator-freezer—automatic defrost with bottom-mounted freezer with through-the-door ice service	9.83AV + 499.9	0.347av + 499.9.
6. Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with top-mounted freezer with through-the-door ice service	8.40AV + 385.4	0.297av + 385.4.
7. Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with side-mounted freezer with through-the-door ice service	8.54AV + 432.8	0.302av + 431.1.
7-BI. Built-In Refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with side-mounted freezer with through-the-door ice service	10.25AV + 502.6	0.362av + 502.6.
8. Upright freezers with manual defrost	5.57AV + 193.7	0.197av + 193.7.
9. Upright freezers with automatic defrost without an automatic icemaker	8.62AV + 228.3	0.305av + 228.3.
9I. Upright freezers with automatic defrost with an automatic icemaker	8.62AV + 312.3	0.305av + 312.3.
9-BI. Built-In Upright freezers with automatic defrost without an automatic icemaker	9.86AV + 260.9	0.348av + 260.6.
9I-BI. Built-In Upright freezers with automatic defrost with an automatic icemaker	9.86AV + 344.9	0.348av + 344.9.
10. Chest freezers and all other freezers except compact freezers	7.29AV + 107.8	0.257av + 107.8.
10A. Chest freezers with automatic defrost	10.24AV + 148.1	0.362av + 148.1.
11. Compact refrigerators and refrigerator-freezers with manual defrost	9.03AV + 252.3	0.319av + 252.3.
11A.Compact refrigerators and refrigerator-freezers with manual defrost	7.84AV + 219.1	0.277av + 219.1.
12. Compact refrigerator-freezers—partial automatic defrost	5.91AV + 335.8	0.209av + 335.8.
13. Compact refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with top-mounted freezer	11.80AV + 339.2	0.417av + 339.2.
13I. Compact refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with top-mounted freezer with an automatic icemaker	11.80AV + 423.2	0.417av + 423.2.
13A. Compact all-refrigerator—automatic defrost	9.17AV + 259.3	0.324av + 259.3.
14. Compact refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with side-mounted freezer	6.82AV + 456.9	0.241av + 456.9.
14I. Compact refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with side-mounted freezer with an automatic icemaker	6.82AV + 540.9	0.241av + 540.9.
15. Compact refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with bottom-mounted freezer	11.80AV + 339.2	0.417av + 339.2.
15I. Compact refrigerator-freezers—automatic defrost with bottom-mounted freezer with an automatic icemaker	11.80AV + 423.2	0.417av + 423.2.
16. Compact upright freezers with manual defrost	8.65AV + 225.7	0.306av + 225.7.
17. Compact upright freezers with automatic defrost	10.17AV + 351.9	0.359av + 351.9.
18. Compact chest freezers	9.25AV + 136.8	0.327av + 136.8.
AV = Total adjusted volume, expressed in ft3, as determined in appendices A and B to subpart B of this part.

av = Total adjusted volume, expressed in Liters.

Don't get overwhelmed. It's merely a piece-wise function. Anyone familiar with math can see you just scroll down to your refrigerator type to find the relevant formula.

Billionaires always engage in lobbying. They will engage in lobbying until they win which means a monopoly of everything. It's a shame that their vote means way more than the average vote of a person because right-wingers decided money is speech, but that's how it is for now.

In the meantime, Big Dishwasher and their shills are trying to convince everyone that deregulation will save their pocketbooks which won't be the case at all, once the greedy people decide to make the biggest bestest broadest bustiest fridges ever and only make those to maximize profits.

The world be damned. Climate change? Who cares about that when you can make a quick buck!

 

[Politesse]

Because noisy libs made it propitious to do so. That seems to be the only way anything happens to benefit the environment.

I agree. So, we should continue to do so.

As for water use in California versus Minnesota water restrictions, it would be nice if it were possible to restrict environmental regulations to accomodate specific local needs. But even if that were the legislative reality, Maytag isn't going to make 50 custom jobbie washing machine and refirgerator variants for each new model, so as to appease each state individuallt. Rather, they are just going to make machines that they can sell in all or most of the states (which is one major reason why the SUDS act is a monstrous waste of time and money that will have no real impact).

 

[Politesse]

This was back in the days when they weren't bitter enemies and could be expected to come together and compromise.

So what we need is not an environmental regulation, or even a washing machine, but a time machine.

To go back to the good old days of the fuckin Ford administration.

I hear that stagflation was rough, better bring my deer hat with the WIN pin at the back. I believe Alan Greenspan is still technically alive, shall we call him out of retirement?

 

[thebeave]

This was back in the days when they weren't bitter enemies and could be expected to come together and compromise.

So what we need is not an environmental regulation, or even a washing machine, but a time machine.

To go back to the good old days of the fuckin Ford administration.

I hear that stagflation was rough, better bring my deer hat with the WIN pin at the back. I believe Alan Greenspan is still technically alive, shall we call him out of retirement?

I have no idea how you managed to twist what I said into me implying that life was better back in the Ford administration and we need to go back to the way the things were then. But for the record, do I wish our two parties could get along better and create sensible legislation, like back then? Yes. Do I want to go back to the days of inefficient, wasteful appliances? No.

 

[laughing dog]

Anyone who paid attention in Econ 101 would appreciate the tradeoff between the unattainable 1st best policy of a tax and an attainable 3rd best policy of hide the accountability.

Certainly. The unattainable 1st best policy of a tax would be to junk the entire exercise of treating appliances legally differently from airplane tickets, and instead impose a uniform carbon tax, relying on rational consumers to choose appliances with lower total cost of ownership. But individuals' subjective time discount rates tend to lead to shorter-term thinking than is socially optimal, so I proposed an attainable 2nd best policy of a tax.

Where have been? A tax like that is biewed as akkn to legalizing pedophilia among a large swathe of the US.

If my experience as a very recent purchaser of a new dishwasher is any guide, the sales staff pushed the energy and operational savings of the various models,

They could perfectly well still do that if the measurements had been made to drive a tax rather than yet another of the nonlinear cliffs administrators are so fond of pushing people off.

Yes, it could be done. But something tells me it wouldn’t be done.

something that did not occur during our last purchase ( over 12 years ago).

Curious. The regulations were imposed in 1988.

I know. Perhaps a faulty memory on my part or maybe it just took time for it to sink in as a selling point?

 

[Elixir]

Maytag isn't going to make 50 custom jobbie washing machine and refirgerator variants for each new model, so as to appease each state individuallt.

Another reason dishwashers should be way down the priority list.

 

[ZiprHead]

I used my dishwasher a few times when I first got it and that was it. Considering the water and electricity use combined, I can't imagine my washing by hand is overall more wasteful. I make a point of turning on the water only when necessary. If I lapse and let the water run unnecessarily, Ed Begley Jr. appears over my shoulder and wags a finger at me.

Go online and they'll swear you'll save water by buying a dishwasher. That is, if you run your faucet at full blast for the duration of the dish washing. We are a family of 3. A family of 5 or 6, the math could make the dishwasher better.

I use a crap ton of water washing by hand.

 

[Politesse]

Maytag isn't going to make 50 custom jobbie washing machine and refirgerator variants for each new model, so as to appease each state individuallt.

Another reason dishwashers should be way down the priority list.

And yet, here we are. Making an issue of it. I think most of the things Republicans do are, like this SUDS act, mindlessly stupid wastes of time. But we can't just ignore their shenanigans, they'll tear the country down state by state if they're allowed. You realize this isn't just about the dishwashers and refrigerators, right? This is one of an ongoing series of bids to undermine and eliminate the regulatory power of the Department of Energy. And its all political theater in any case, as they are well aware that these measures won't pass the Senate. They aren't meant to. They are meant to waste our time and advance their broader anti-regulatory agenda.

 

[robnisch]

Political prestidigitation.

 

[TomC]

We have a couple of California residents posting.

Whatever happened to CAFE standards for auto fuel consumption? Did we so far outstrip them that they became obsolete? I'm just asking questions.
Tom

 

[thebeave]

We have a couple of California residents posting.

Whatever happened to CAFE standards for auto fuel consumption? Did we so far outstrip them that they became obsolete? I'm just asking questions.
Tom

Fuel Efficiency Standards – California vs. the Feds (How We Got Here, and What Comes Next)

That link probably has the info you're looking for. Good luck...there will be a quiz tomorrow morning at 9am on the content.