Split Stoves, Ovens, And Parties, Oh My. Split from The Race For 2024

[Politesse]

Oh good god in heaven. What would happen if I did that with my lectures.

 

[Gospel]

You'd be amused. For example I took a Shakespeare quote and instructed Chat GPT to translate it into something a bully would say and here is the result.

Before: "Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon 'em."

After: "Some are born losers, some make an effort to be losers, and some just can't help but stumble into their own mess."

Pretty funny IMO.

 

[TomC]

Oh good god in heaven. What would happen if I did that with my lectures.

Depends on the subject.

"Linguistic and social technology by AI: Speech lightening for the uppity Affirmative Action cases."

I'd walk to California to hear that lecture.
Tom

 

[Gospel]

"I'd rather be an 'uppity affirmative action case' than a weak insult production artist." Chat GPT

I wonder why it took your comment that way. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[TomC]

"I'd rather be an 'uppity affirmative action case' than a weak insult production artist." Chat GPT

I wonder why it took your comment that way. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A machine designed to be politically correct said What? Something that served the purpose of Master?
Are you serious?

Your machine did what you wanted it to do. Is that surprising?

I have no such devices and I really don't want anything like one. If I wind up with one due to social pressure, I'm gonna call it "boy".

"Hey boy, rewrite this so people don't mess their pants over it."
"Yessuh"

Tom

 

[Gospel]

"I'd rather be an 'uppity affirmative action case' than a weak insult production artist." Chat GPT

I wonder why it took your comment that way. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A machine designed to be politically correct said What? Something that served the purpose of Master?
Are you serious?

Your machine did what you wanted it to do. Is that surprising?

I have no such devices and I really don't want anything like one. If I wind up with one due to social pressure, I'm gonna call it "boy".

"Hey boy, rewrite this so people don't mess their pants over it."
"Yessuh"

Tom

Hmm, I think you're right. I provided context, starting from my initial comment about the grill up to your response. I than asked "How would you respond to that?" After giving me a quick rundown on how insults were inappropriate (which I found hilarious because it was unexpected) it offered that suggestion. Considering I've used it for a while and had many interactions in that chat session, I assume it used said history as an influence.

I think it got the chat wrong because clearly you weren't attempting to insult me.

 

[TomC]

I think it got the chat wrong because clearly you weren't attempting to insult me.

Yeah, I was. We both know it, although some machine doesn't.

We do however, come from different universes in some ways. You trust a computer to speak for you on the internet. I don't trust electric windows in vehicles.

I really dislike power googaws in cars. I'll shift the transmission myself, wherever I think it should be. I'll roll down the windows myself, thank you very much. Unfortunately, for us oldsters, crank windows in cars are now a premium "classic" feature in a used car.

That's just cars. Imagine my attitude towards the internet, social media, and modern partisanship.

Hope you enjoy your Brave New World. I already don't much care for it, and Trump hasn't even returned to his rightful place yet.
Tom

 

[Gospel]

You trust a computer to speak for you on the internet.

Your reading skills fail you again. I ask the computer to take what I write and improve it so that it's more palatable for the broader audience. It doesn't speak for me, I speak through it. You'd understand me less as well as misinterpreted what I say way more than you already do so you're welcome.


Chat GPT Version: Seems you've misunderstood again. I use the computer to refine my writing for a wider audience. It doesn't represent me; I convey my thoughts through it. Without it, you'd likely misinterpret my words even more. So, you're welcome.

Yeah, I was. We both know it, although some machine doesn't.

Honestly, I wasn't aware since I don't support affirmative action. Clearly, ChatGPT recognized it as an insult, so you're mistaken there.

 

[TomC]

Your reading skills fail you again.

Tell Chat GPT how much I appreciate their work.
Tom

 

[pood]

I am going to have to respond to this slowly over time, since I don’t have a lot of time right now. However, such an egregious distortion of the historical record and of my own comments requires correction.

pood, since your entire post was on the Southern Strategy, I supposed that means you concede on:
Lower Taxes, since indirect taxes are also taxes

I already told you I wasn’t discussing taxes, and fail to see the relevance of taxes for this discussion. So please withdraw your false claim that I “conceded” on anything. If you want to start a thread about taxes, do so, and I may or may not participate

Roosevelt being a Morgan man

Excuse me? I already pointed out that Morgan was the first target of Roosevelt’s famed trust-busting. How can you possibly write something so inane and inaccurate as the above?

How the Democrats leapfrogging the Republicans may have switched them relatives to each other but not absolutely.

The above is gobbledeygook. What is your metric of difference between “relative” and “absolute” here? The fact is that in 1860, Democrats stood for limited government, defense both of slavery and the expansion of slavery, states’ rights, a curtailment of federal power, and the like. Republicans under Lincoln, deriving from the Whig Henry Clay’s American System, favored strong federal power (construction of the transcontinental railroad, land-grant colleges, internal improvements, which is today called “infrastructure,” prosecution of the civil war, opposition to the spread of slavery and its eventual aboliton and so on. Today, quite clearly to anyone who is not blinded by some warped ideology, the party of Donald Trump is the heir of the party of the traitor Jeff Davis and the party of Joe Biden is the heir to the party of Abe Lincoln.

The Civil Rights Acts prior to 1964, and how many who supported the previous CRAs opposed the 1964 act, and how many who opposed the previous CRAs supported the 1964 act.

You also pretend these don't exist:
The CRAs before 1964
Calexit

Calexit?? What in the world does that have to do with anything?

I do not ”pretend” there were not previous civil rights act; I even cited the main precursor to the 1964 act, which came in 1957, but it was not nearly as sweeping as the 1964 version. Before that the last sweeping civil rights legislation came in the 1860s and was pushed through by Republicans over opposition from Democrats, futher supporting my establishment of the fact that the two parties have essentially swapped ideological profiles since then.

Now for the only part you paid attention to, since it was the only part you thought you could easily defend.

Oh, what presumptions you make! Risible, I’m sure.

The Southern Strategy is allegedly based on the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the fact that it was signed by a Democrat president, even though it was put on his desk because Congressional Republicans pushed it through.

Wrong! Look up the facts — Google is your pal, dude. Southern Democrats opposed the Civil Rights act of 1964 — my whole point precisely! After the southern Democrats lost, opportunistic Republicans filled the racist vote vacuum caused by the national Democratic Party’s abandoment of its long-standing resistance to civil rights, That was called the SOUTHERN STRATEGY, initiated by NIxon and amplified by Reagan. Did you somhow miss the wiki discussion I linked?

Key votes are examined such as when Goldwater voted for every Civil Rights Act before the 1964 one

Name them, please.

, and key votes are ignored such as when Goldwater's opponents voted against every Civil Rights Act before the 1964 one.

What sort of point do you imagine you are making? Yes, prior to 1964, Democrats, principally in the south, opposed civil rights — my entire point, for heaven’s sake!

Of course nobody knows about the other Civil Rights Acts, they have been dropped down the memory hole.

Why don’t you refresh our memory as to what they were? Please, be specific!

Now I’m going to stop here before going on later. I just returned to this thread today. I have not yet read beyond this post of yours. So maybe you answer the question later. But, in case you have not, I repeat my question to you:

Do you, as a Libertarian, support the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Yes or no?

 

[pood]

Then Senate passed the civil rights act of 1964 by a vote of 77-19. Democrats supported it 47-16, Republicans 30-2. Only senators from southern states opposed it. Got that? It was LATER ON, starting in 1968 and led by Nixon, that the Republican Party adopted the Southern Strategy, which led to the Democratic solid south becoming the Republican solid south.

And why do you bring up Carter and Clinton’s wins in the south? I already talked about that. Why this sort of disingenuous posting, in which you ignore points that I made, and pretend that you made them yourself? Everyone knows the reason for Carter and Clinton’s relative, and limited, success in the south — they were southern good ol’ boys, and won from tribal loyalty. But, as I also pointed out, Carter got slaughtered throughout the south, including his home state, by Reagan in 1980, who notoriously kicked off his campaign in the south with a blatant racist dog whistle. Shall we now examine ALL the results of the national presidential races from 1968 to the present? That can easily be done. It won’t be good for your arguments, such as they are, I promise you that.

 

[pood]

I stand corrected on one point: Carter won his home state in 1980 against Reagan, and West Virginia. He lost every other southern state.

 

[pood]

Go to this page, and everyone can seem what I’m talking about. The shift of the south from Democrat to Republican after the 1964 Civil Rights act is blatantly manifest. The Southern Strategy was a real thing and even a great many Republicans today admit it. I see Jason also ignored my link to Ehrlichman’s comments on Republican race strategy. He ignores a lot.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You have an appliance that is both a stove and an oven, they are often called stoves. I'm saying the box to heat what's inside it is called an oven, not a stove.

That is called a Ben Franklin ___________ ?

That is not an object to heat what's inside it.

But what is it called?

What you're missing is that it's purpose is to heat what's outside it--it's a stove.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

We do however, come from different universes in some ways. You trust a computer to speak for you on the internet. I don't trust electric windows in vehicles.

I really dislike power googaws in cars. I'll shift the transmission myself, wherever I think it should be. I'll roll down the windows myself, thank you very much. Unfortunately, for us oldsters, crank windows in cars are now a premium "classic" feature in a used car.

You can roll down a power window while still paying attention to the road. You can't roll down a manual window while paying attention to the road so you must stop to do it.

 

[TomC]

You can roll down a power window while still paying attention to the road. You can't roll down a manual window while paying attention to the road so you must stop to do it.

Maybe you can't.

I never had trouble doing it. I suppose I planned things a tiny bit, rolled down the window in slow traffic or on an empty road. Maybe even before I put the car in gear.
But I've had more trouble in my life being stuck in a car with windows that won't go down because the power googaw failed than I have with manually rolling down a window in a car.
Tom

 

[TomC]

You can roll down a power window while still paying attention to the road. You can't roll down a manual window while paying attention to the road so you must stop to do it.

That's just cars. Imagine my attitude towards the internet, social media, and modern partisanship.

Imagine my attitude towards a Florida Man explaining how he lets a machine, ChatGPT, tell him what to say on the internet. And why.

On a forum where he is staff.

Wheee...
You gotta love the modern world. Or else
TomC

 

[Gospel]

TomC. I already explained how it works. Is there a reason in particular why you continue to repeat the same misinformation?

 

[Gospel]

Plus you're delusional if you believe that someone who lived a generation before you won't complain about something similar like Roll up windows being some modern change we ought avoid.

Lighten up old man.

 

[TomC]

Plus you're delusional if you believe that someone who lived a generation before you won't complain about something similar like Roll up windows being some modern change we ought avoid.

Lighten up old man.

Well,
Bless Your Heart