Split Stoves, Ovens, And Parties, Oh My. Split from The Race For 2024

[Jimmy Higgins]

Every time I drive into a lake and my electric windows short out, I wish I had that manual crank to let myself out of the car.

Every time I get into a 21st century car and can't roll down the window due to some minor electrical glitch, I wish for the good old days.
I bet that happens more often than driving into a lake.
Tom

Really? I’ve never ever had that problem with electric windows.

You probably have more money than lots of other people do.
Tom

Talk about goalpost shifts.

Everytime you get in a modern car... make that an old POS.

 

[TomC]

Talk about goalpost shifts.

Everytime you get in a modern car... make that a POS.

I can't quite tell who your content-free attack is directed against.

When I get in a modern car I make it a POS?

Inquiring minds want to know.
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Talk about goalpost shifts.

Everytime you get in a modern car... make that a POS.

I can't quite tell who your content-free attack is directed against.

When I get in a modern car I make it a POS?

Inquiring minds want to know.
Tom

I'm impressed that you were able to make that into an insult when I was clearly just pointing out the inconsistency in your two posts, ie the goalpost shift. But I'll let you get back on your crucifix.

 

[ZiprHead]

Every time I drive into a lake and my electric windows short out, I wish I had that manual crank to let myself out of the car.

Every time I get into a 21st century car and can't roll down the window due to some minor electrical glitch, I wish for the good old days.
I bet that happens more often than driving into a lake.
Tom

Really? I’ve never ever had that problem with electric windows.

You probably have more money than lots of other people do.
Tom

I've never had to replace the electric motor for an electric window. It was always the regulator mechanism that failed, which makes no difference whether it's hand cranked or electric cranked.

 

[TomC]

Every time I drive into a lake and my electric windows short out, I wish I had that manual crank to let myself out of the car.

Every time I get into a 21st century car and can't roll down the window due to some minor electrical glitch, I wish for the good old days.
I bet that happens more often than driving into a lake.
Tom

Really? I’ve never ever had that problem with electric windows.

You probably have more money than lots of other people do.
Tom

I've never had to replace the electric motor for an electric window. It was always the regulator mechanism that failed, which makes no difference whether it's hand cranked or electric cranked.

Nice to have that kind of money.

You probably take it for granted. But trust me, not everyone has it.
Tom

Bless Your Heart.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Fixing anything jn a car cost $500+, so why this odd obsession with powered windows?

 

[Rhea]

I laugh when Zoomers ride in my 32 year old car and don’t know how to roll down the windows. It’s pretty funny.

 

[Bronzeage]

To keep this derail on the tracks just a little longer, power windows in a late model car will remain operative under water much longer than the occupants of the car.

 

[TV and credit cards]

I sort of out grew my need for anti-establishment pretensions and decided to embrace pragmatism.

I want a society where everyone has equal protection under the law, excellent and equal access to excellent education, excellent healthcare and decent food and housing. I want everyone to be able to have employment that divides a decent living and a safe, fair workplace. I think people should get to make their own healthcare decisions. I think everyone, including future generations, deserves clean air, clean water, a healthy Earth.

Is this political or philosophical pragmatism? It seems to me political pragmatism will require a significant amount of compromise to move society in the direction you and for the most part I want.

 

[TV and credit cards]

The next time you find yourself at the bottom of a lake with windows that won't go down and likely a seat belt that won't release, you'll want to reach into your glove compartment and get your emergency escape hammer made for just such circumstances which comes with not only a pointy end hammer for breaking the window but a protected blade to quickly cut that annoying seatbelt off your carcass.

 

[Elixir]

The next time you find yourself at the bottom of a lake with windows that won't go down and likely a seat belt that won't release, you'll want to reach into your glove compartment and get your emergency escape hammer made for just such circumstances which comes with not only a pointy end hammer for breaking the window but a protected blade to quickly cut that annoying seatbelt off your carcass.

Not to make light of it, I do have rescue knives in all my vehicles (except the tractor). Carbide points & hooked blades… plus a belt cutter that looks like a giant envelope opener.
But it’s kind of like quicksand and catching on fire. Except that I DID know a kid who caught on fire in the middle of the night and had to be rolled (screaming) to put him out. Fell asleep too close to the fire, all bundled up. His outer clothes suddenly burst into flames when they got hot enough. One of his ears got badly burned, but most of him was spared. But I don’t know anyone who ever drove into water and had to break a window to get out. Yet, I am prepared for that…

 

[Toni]

I sort of out grew my need for anti-establishment pretensions and decided to embrace pragmatism.

I want a society where everyone has equal protection under the law, excellent and equal access to excellent education, excellent healthcare and decent food and housing. I want everyone to be able to have employment that divides a decent living and a safe, fair workplace. I think people should get to make their own healthcare decisions. I think everyone, including future generations, deserves clean air, clean water, a healthy Earth.

Is this political or philosophical pragmatism? It seems to me political pragmatism will require a significant amount of compromise to move society in the direction you and for the most part I want.

I think that the choices are armed revolution or slow, steady progress. So, yes, it is a kind of pragmatism. My observation is that society, as a whole, really struggles with rapid change. When the social order changes quickly, there is a lot of push back and backsliding and a certain amount of chaos and anger. Change is hard. Even small, trivial change on a personal level can be disconcerting for most of us. It's not hard to understand that a large societal change can be disrupting.

 

[ZiprHead]

Every time I drive into a lake and my electric windows short out, I wish I had that manual crank to let myself out of the car.

Every time I get into a 21st century car and can't roll down the window due to some minor electrical glitch, I wish for the good old days.
I bet that happens more often than driving into a lake.
Tom

Really? I’ve never ever had that problem with electric windows.

You probably have more money than lots of other people do.
Tom

I've never had to replace the electric motor for an electric window. It was always the regulator mechanism that failed, which makes no difference whether it's hand cranked or electric cranked.

Nice to have that kind of money.

You probably take it for granted. But trust me, not everyone has it.
Tom

Bless Your Heart.

You really seem quite hung up on other people's money. You sound very jealous.

 

[TomC]

You really seem quite hung up on other people's money. You sound very jealous.

Nah
It's the sense of entitlement.
There's plenty of people who make do with old cars who cannot afford to fix a broken window lift.

But it's really unimportant. It's a dumb derail in a derail thread.
Tom

 

[Elixir]

There's plenty of people who make do with old cars who cannot afford to fix a broken window lift.

The price of old cars is really high, because rich people hoard them.
If there was a window lift to be found, they bought it.

 

[ZiprHead]

You really seem quite hung up on other people's money. You sound very jealous.

Nah
It's the sense of entitlement.

I'm entitled because I fix a broken window regulator???

There's plenty of people who make do with old cars who cannot afford to fix a broken window lift.

My car is 18 years old.

 

[TV and credit cards]

I sort of out grew my need for anti-establishment pretensions and decided to embrace pragmatism.

I want a society where everyone has equal protection under the law, excellent and equal access to excellent education, excellent healthcare and decent food and housing. I want everyone to be able to have employment that divides a decent living and a safe, fair workplace. I think people should get to make their own healthcare decisions. I think everyone, including future generations, deserves clean air, clean water, a healthy Earth.

Is this political or philosophical pragmatism? It seems to me political pragmatism will require a significant amount of compromise to move society in the direction you and for the most part I want.

I think that the choices are armed revolution or slow, steady progress. So, yes, it is a kind of pragmatism. My observation is that society, as a whole, really struggles with rapid change. When the social order changes quickly, there is a lot of push back and backsliding and a certain amount of chaos and anger. Change is hard. Even small, trivial change on a personal level can be disconcerting for most of us. It's not hard to understand that a large societal change can be disrupting.

Agreed. Look at all the hullabaloo over the ACA and this after it being watered down before passage. I haven't heard any crys about healthcare cost increases for years. In fact, near as I can find, the average annual increase in healthcare costs has been 3.6% and Medicare cost have decreased. Were it not for one man and his thumb it could have all gone away and conservatives today would be screaming about healthcare costs under the Biden administration.

And now the poor dears in the pharma industry are whinging about competitive pricing on ten specific medications. The complaint is the government's bargaining power is so great it can basically tell pharma what they are going to pay. Welcome to capitalism. What do you think the likes of Walmart and Home Depot do to their suppliers?

Happily derailing a thread about stoves.

 

[Toni]

I sort of out grew my need for anti-establishment pretensions and decided to embrace pragmatism.

I want a society where everyone has equal protection under the law, excellent and equal access to excellent education, excellent healthcare and decent food and housing. I want everyone to be able to have employment that divides a decent living and a safe, fair workplace. I think people should get to make their own healthcare decisions. I think everyone, including future generations, deserves clean air, clean water, a healthy Earth.

Is this political or philosophical pragmatism? It seems to me political pragmatism will require a significant amount of compromise to move society in the direction you and for the most part I want.

I think that the choices are armed revolution or slow, steady progress. So, yes, it is a kind of pragmatism. My observation is that society, as a whole, really struggles with rapid change. When the social order changes quickly, there is a lot of push back and backsliding and a certain amount of chaos and anger. Change is hard. Even small, trivial change on a personal level can be disconcerting for most of us. It's not hard to understand that a large societal change can be disrupting.

Agreed. Look at all the hullabaloo over the ACA and this after it being watered down before passage. I haven't heard any crys about healthcare cost increases for years. In fact, near as I can find, the average annual increase in healthcare costs has been 3.6% and Medicare cost have decreased. Were it not for one man and his thumb it could have all gone away and conservatives today would be screaming about healthcare costs under the Biden administration.

And now the poor dears in the pharma industry are whinging about competitive pricing on ten specific medications. The complaint is the government's bargaining power is so great it can basically tell pharma what they are going to pay. Welcome to capitalism. What do you think the likes of Walmart and Home Depot do to their suppliers?

Happily derailing a thread about stoves.

About the same as I think about what Amazon does to its suppliers....and local businesses.

 

[Elixir]

WalMart is even more predatory than Amazon. Bring them a great product and before you can blink they’ll be selling a “Great Value” or “Ozark Trail” version of it, for around your cost. Amazon doesn’t have the brick and mortar breadth to do much more than try to find your manufacturing contractor and source a knockoff from them.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The next time you find yourself at the bottom of a lake with windows that won't go down and likely a seat belt that won't release, you'll want to reach into your glove compartment and get your emergency escape hammer made for just such circumstances which comes with not only a pointy end hammer for breaking the window but a protected blade to quickly cut that annoying seatbelt off your carcass.

Yup, it's a good thing to have. Water is simply the most urgent need, not the only one.