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Modern pagans (Wicca and such) are basically slightly modified Christians. It's such an insult to our ancestors. It's like going to a Renaissance fair and think you now understand how it was to live in the 15'th century. Modern pagans certainly do give a shit about what you believe and as such they're not really pagans.
Did you ever play AD&D in Virginia Beach?
I remember a very similar conversation about whether a priest of Ki could adventure with a Paladin of Marduk and a warrior of Thor, which continued into a discussion of how Episcopalians were just Catholics that were going to Hell....
 
Paganists believe in something more than they have to. If you just belive that killing the chicken helps then you are not a paganist.

Ok, I give up. Just read up on pagan religion. You're acting like a child with your fingers in your ears.

We all believe in more than we have to. We all have theories and beliefs that don't quite match reality. That's just life. You are no different. And if you think you are you are deluded.

Do you deny that paganism often include belief in gods?
 
Ok, I give up. Just read up on pagan religion. You're acting like a child with your fingers in your ears.

We all believe in more than we have to. We all have theories and beliefs that don't quite match reality. That's just life. You are no different. And if you think you are you are deluded.

Do you deny that paganism often include belief in gods?

The word "belief" has different connotations. Pagans believed that sacrificing to their gods was useful. They sacrificed and expected evidence of success. When the evidence failed to materialize they switched to another god. There's tonnes of examples of this. They would often hedge their bets. This is an operational type faith. The Norse believed that both sides went to Valhalla. Valhalla was open to all races. There's countless examples of the Norse Vikings lack of racism. Belief in Odin or any sacrifices wouldn't help you into Valhalla. The only thing that could do that was to die an honorable death. A Norse god couldn't be bribed to take you in.

There could never be a conflict between paganism and science. It's the same activity. The line between gods and natural forces is completely blurred. Pagan texts slide back and forward between them effortlessly even though they're obviously different things. For a pagan when there's scientific evidence for something then that's what happens. And they can instantly adapt their faith.

The Viking queen Olga of Kiev is a good example. Yes, Norse Vikings stemming from the Goths ruled Kiev. They brought their Scandinavian gods with them. When she entered the Hagia Sophia she is quoted to having said, "any god that is capable of producing this magnitude of temple will have my faith". Or something like it. So she switched. Because she too wanted big buildings.

Harald Bluetooth converted to Christianity, most likely because he lost a battle to a Christian and was impressed by something surrounding it.

In Christianity, in contrast, it's the belief that is central. This means that there's an incentive for the faithful to bend reality to fit Christian teachings. There's an incentive to deny reality when it threatens faith. For Pagans that conflict just isn't there.

BTW, this is a funny detail about Viking conversions to Christianity. The first couple of hundred years they just added God to the Norse pantheon. They cheerfully would sacrifice to all of them. There's many examples of kings touring their kingdoms and keeping a straight face when the important people of that region got it all wrong. Viking monarchies were consensus based. A Viking king (or a jarl) couldn't bash them over the head and force them to change their ways. Or they'd get kicked out. Which happened a couple of times. Swedish and Baltic Vikings were the slowest to adopt Christianity. That's why our Midsummer survived intact right into modern days. Not a shred of Christianity in it. Same goes for our Christmas.

So to sum up. Pagans do their rituals because they had evidence that they worked. They had belief in that evidence. Not in the gods themselves. The gods had to constantly earn belief. It wasn't like Gods sneaky invisibility was seen as some kind of test.
 
Burnt offerings. After all, the aroma is said to be pleasing to the Lord.


Did you remember to say grace before you lit up that joint?

Hail Pasta, holiest of food
His Noodliness is of thee.
Blessed art thou among carbohydrates
And blessed is your common side-dish, bread sticks.

Holy Pasta, food for us all
Sustain us midgets
Until we eventually whither away.
R'Amen.
 
Atheism isn't a philosophy, it is a single answer to a single question.

By definition, you need more than one belief in order to have something that constitutes a belief system.

atheists believe in separation of church and state

atheists believe in secularism

atheists believe in gay rights

atheists believe incest is ok

atheists believe open marriage is ok

atheists believe porn is ok

atheists believe abortion is ok

atheists believe euthanasia is ok

atheists believe sex outside marriage is ok

atheists believe life evolved without god

atheism IS a way of life

atheism IS a philosophy NOT science

you denied god based on philosophical and lifestyle reasons NOT based on science

Your prophet was a child rapist and all countries where Islam is in the majority are shitholes. Explain that.
 
atheism is worthless philosophy will not survived



there is no benefit in atheism, for instance if my life based on denying aliens dont exist, i again nothing from it

if i believe sky daddy exist and he want me to be good human

WE ALL benefit from that EVEN that is a delusion

atheism only offer is delusion like " we believe in science" "there will be no war if we all become atheists"

in other hand religion civilized human

Hey Syed why are the Islamic countries such backwards shitholes?
 
atheists believe in separation of church and state

atheists believe in secularism

atheists believe in gay rights

atheists believe incest is ok

atheists believe open marriage is ok

atheists believe porn is ok

atheists believe abortion is ok

atheists believe euthanasia is ok

atheists believe sex outside marriage is ok

atheists believe life evolved without god

atheism IS a way of life

atheism IS a philosophy NOT science

you denied god based on philosophical and lifestyle reasons NOT based on science

Your prophet was a child rapist and all countries where Islam is in the majority are shitholes. Explain that.
It's the Vikings fault :diablotin:
 
atheists believe in separation of church and state

atheists believe in secularism

atheists believe in gay rights

atheists believe incest is ok

atheists believe open marriage is ok

atheists believe porn is ok

atheists believe abortion is ok

atheists believe euthanasia is ok

atheists believe sex outside marriage is ok

atheists believe life evolved without god

atheism IS a way of life

atheism IS a philosophy NOT science

you denied god based on philosophical and lifestyle reasons NOT based on science

Your prophet was a child rapist and all countries where Islam is in the majority are shitholes. Explain that.

He can't. But maybe he can explain this - I don't really think anything on his list of crap that atheists think is okay, is okay, except I believe in separation of church and state, and the validity of science (evolution). I either reject entirely or am ambivalent about the rest. Yet, I think gods like the one that Syed sucks up to are the most malevolent invention in the history of man. So what is it Syed? Am I an atheist, and you're just spewing bullshit about atheists, or am I a theist who just doesn't like your stupid religion?
 
... and how many middle-eastern airliners have Americans hijacked and crashed into middle eastern landmark buildings?
Syed reminds me of Japanese people wrongly incarcerated by the US during WWII, now seeking reparations from the US. Why the fuck don't they collect reparations from Japan? WE didn't pull a fucking sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, fucking Hirohito did.

The US didn't have control over the actions that the Japanese took in the same way that they had direct control over the decisions that they took. They are responsible for their response.

US selected the most humane solution.
 
The US didn't have control over the actions that the Japanese took in the same way that they had direct control over the decisions that they took. They are responsible for their response.

US selected the most humane solution.

Indeed - the US could have taken the easy way out, as have so many gummintz in the past when embroiled in war, and rounded 'em up and shot 'em all. Kinda like arab factions like to do to each other...
 
And exactly what was it that the peace-loving children of Allah did to start this 15 year bombing, Syed?

... and how many middle-eastern airliners have Americans hijacked and crashed into middle eastern landmark buildings?
Syed reminds me of Japanese people wrongly incarcerated by the US during WWII, now seeking reparations from the US. Why the fuck don't they collect reparations from Japan? WE didn't pull a fucking sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, fucking Hirohito did.
Not that the ME is chock full of peace loving hippies, but 'the west' has been dividing and conquering North Africa to Iran since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire dozens of times over. Yeah, we didn't hijack planes, we hijacked countries; laid down with dogs; aided dogs who warred on their neighbor; et.al.

At the same time, the Pakistani's have warred with the Indians; the Iraqi's with the Iranians; the Iranian's with the Iraqi's; the Saudi's have been recently bombarding Yemen; a whole cabal of Sunni nations have fueled the rise of ISIS by wanting to topple the Alawite Assad regime, with Russia, Hezbollah, and Iran backing them. The Yemeni's have warred with each other, with Egypt and SA joining the fun; Turk's and Kurd have had their way; et.al.

Not many innocents to go around...but a bounty for the angry to reach for revenge, served cold...
 
Atheism isn't a philosophy, it is a single answer to a single question.

By definition, you need more than one belief in order to have something that constitutes a belief system.

atheists believe in separation of church and state

atheists believe in secularism

atheists believe in gay rights

atheists believe incest is ok

atheists believe open marriage is ok

atheists believe porn is ok

atheists believe abortion is ok

atheists believe euthanasia is ok

atheists believe sex outside marriage is ok

atheists believe life evolved without god

atheism IS a way of life

atheism IS a philosophy NOT science

you denied god based on philosophical and lifestyle reasons NOT based on science

So if some atheists believe something, then that belief can be attributed to atheism?

Are you sure you want to make that argument? Because if your argument is valid, then that means that Christians and atheists can use the same arguments with Islam, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like that.
 
Is it holy smoke by chance? I could dig that.

Burnt offerings. After all, the aroma is said to be pleasing to the Lord.

Nope.

"To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats."
Isaiah 1:11

"I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts."
Amos 5:21-22

"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings."
Hosea 6:6
 
Burnt offerings. After all, the aroma is said to be pleasing to the Lord.

Nope.

"To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats."
Isaiah 1:11

"I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts."
Amos 5:21-22

"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings."
Hosea 6:6

Few things is funnier than a Christian too lazy to read his own sacred text. I guess it isn't all that sacred, or what? Is it sacred suggestions? The truth is of course that the Bible is a collection of religious views from a variety of people. They didn't always agree. The burnt offering issue was one of those.


Deuteronomy 33:10
Verse Concepts
"They shall teach Your ordinances to Jacob, And Your law to Israel They shall put incense before You, And whole burnt offerings on Your altar.

Psalm 66:13
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I shall come into Your house with burnt offerings; I shall pay You my vows,

1 Samuel 7:9
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Samuel took a suckling lamb and offered it for a whole burnt offering to the LORD; and Samuel cried to the LORD for Israel and the LORD answered him.

Psalm 51:19
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Then You will delight in righteous sacrifices, In burnt offering and whole burnt offering; Then young bulls will be offered on Your altar.

Genesis 8:20
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Then Noah built an altar to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

Genesis 22:2-8
He said, "Take now your son, your only son, whom you love, Isaac, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I will tell you." So Abraham rose early in the morning and saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him and Isaac his son; and he split wood for the burnt offering, and arose and went to the place of which God had told him. On the third day Abraham raised his eyes and saw the place from a distance. read more.
Exodus 10:25
But Moses said, "You must also let us have sacrifices and burnt offerings, that we may sacrifice them to the LORD our God.

Exodus 18:12
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Then Jethro, Moses' father-in-law, took a burnt offering and sacrifices for God, and Aaron came with all the elders of Israel to eat a meal with Moses' father-in-law before God.

Exodus 20:24
Verse Concepts
'You shall make an altar of earth for Me, and you shall sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen; in every place where I cause My name to be remembered, I will come to you and bless you.

Exodus 24:5
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He sent young men of the sons of Israel, and they offered burnt offerings and sacrificed young bulls as peace offerings to the LORD.

Job 1:5
Verse Concepts
When the days of feasting had completed their cycle, Job would send and consecrate them, rising up early in the morning and offering burnt offerings according to the number of them all; for Job said, "Perhaps my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts." Thus Job did continually.

Leviticus 1:1-17
Then the LORD called to Moses and spoke to him from the tent of meeting, saying, "Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, 'When any man of you brings an offering to the LORD, you shall bring your offering of animals from the herd or the flock. 'If his offering is a burnt offering from the herd, he shall offer it, a male without defect; he shall offer it at the doorway of the tent of meeting, that he may be accepted before the LORD. read more.
Leviticus 6:8-13
Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, "Command Aaron and his sons, saying, 'This is the law for the burnt offering: the burnt offering itself shall remain on the hearth on the altar all night until the morning, and the fire on the altar is to be kept burning on it. 'The priest is to put on his linen robe, and he shall put on undergarments next to his flesh; and he shall take up the ashes to which the fire reduces the burnt offering on the altar and place them beside the altar. read more.
Leviticus 7:8
Verse Concepts
'Also the priest who presents any man's burnt offering, that priest shall have for himself the skin of the burnt offering which he has presented.

Malachi 1:8
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"But when you present the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? And when you present the lame and sick, is it not evil? Why not offer it to your governor? Would he be pleased with you? Or would he receive you kindly?" says the LORD of hosts.

Numbers 28:9-10
'Then on the sabbath day two male lambs one year old without defect, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil as a grain offering, and its drink offering: 'This is the burnt offering of every sabbath in addition to the continual burnt offering and its drink offering.

Exodus 29:38-42
"Now this is what you shall offer on the altar: two one year old lambs each day, continuously. "The one lamb you shall offer in the morning and the other lamb you shall offer at twilight; and there shall be one-tenth of an ephah of fine flour mixed with one-fourth of a hin of beaten oil, and one-fourth of a hin of wine for a drink offering with one lamb. read more.
Ezra 3:3
Verse Concepts
So they set up the altar on its foundation, for they were terrified because of the peoples of the lands; and they offered burnt offerings on it to the LORD, burnt offerings morning and evening.

Leviticus 8:18-21
Then he presented the ram of the burnt offering, and Aaron and his sons laid their hands on the head of the ram. Moses slaughtered it and sprinkled the blood around on the altar. When he had cut the ram into its pieces, Moses offered up the head and the pieces and the suet in smoke. read more.
Leviticus 16:3
Verse Concepts
"Aaron shall enter the holy place with this: with a bull for a sin offering and a ram for a burnt offering.

Numbers 28:19
Verse Concepts
'You shall present an offering by fire, a burnt offering to the LORD: two bulls and one ram and seven male lambs one year old, having them without defect.

Leviticus 23:12
Verse Concepts
'Now on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb one year old without defect for a burnt offering to the LORD.

Numbers 28:27
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'You shall offer a burnt offering for a soothing aroma to the LORD: two young bulls, one ram, seven male lambs one year old;

Numbers 29:2
Verse Concepts
'You shall offer a burnt offering as a soothing aroma to the LORD: one bull, one ram, and seven male lambs one year old without defect;

Numbers 29:13
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'You shall present a burnt offering, an offering by fire as a soothing aroma to the LORD: thirteen bulls, two rams, fourteen male lambs one year old, which are without defect;

Luke 2:24
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and to offer a sacrifice according to what was said in the Law of the Lord, "A PAIR OF TURTLEDOVES OR TWO YOUNG PIGEONS."

Exodus 32:6
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So the next day they rose early and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.

2 Kings 10:25
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Then it came about, as soon as he had finished offering the burnt offering, that Jehu said to the guard and to the royal officers, "Go in, kill them; let none come out." And they killed them with the edge of the sword; and the guard and the royal officers threw them out, and went to the inner room of the house of Baal.

1 Samuel 15:22
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Samuel said, "Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams.

Isaiah 1:11-15
"What are your multiplied sacrifices to Me?" Says the LORD. "I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams And the fat of fed cattle; And I take no pleasure in the blood of bulls, lambs or goats. "When you come to appear before Me, Who requires of you this trampling of My courts? "Bring your worthless offerings no longer, Incense is an abomination to Me New moon and sabbath, the calling of assemblies-- I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly. read more.
Jeremiah 7:21-22
Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, "Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices and eat flesh. "For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Hosea 6:6
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For I delight in loyalty rather than sacrifice, And in the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.

Amos 5:25
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"Did you present Me with sacrifices and grain offerings in the wilderness for forty years, O house of Israel?

Micah 6:6-8
With what shall I come to the LORD And bow myself before the God on high? Shall I come to Him with burnt offerings, With yearling calves? Does the LORD take delight in thousands of rams, In ten thousand rivers of oil? Shall I present my firstborn for my rebellious acts, The fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? He has told you, O man, what is good; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God?

Mark 12:33-34
AND TO LOVE HIM WITH ALL THE HEART AND WITH ALL THE UNDERSTANDING AND WITH ALL THE STRENGTH, AND TO LOVE ONE'S NEIGHBOR AS HIMSELF, is much more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices." When Jesus saw that he had answered intelligently, He said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God." After that, no one would venture to ask Him any more questions.

Matthew 9:13
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"But go and learn what this means: 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Matthew 12:7
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"But if you had known what this means, 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE,' you would not have condemned the innocent.

Hebrews 10:5-10
Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME; IN WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN YOU HAVE TAKEN NO PLEASURE. "THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME (IN THE SCROLL OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME) TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.'" read more.
Hebrews 10:14
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For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.
 
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