Syed's Mega-Thread

[Keith&Co.]

How the hell would you know what is or isn't a mystery to science?
Science appears to be a mystery to your online persona.

you dont know even sleeping is mystery to science

Depends on what you mean by 'mystery.' I mean, there's always more to learn, and everything in science is a theory, but even at it's widest possible definition, 'mystery' doesn't justify 'superstitious belief in a skybeast.'

 

[Syed]

you dont know even sleeping is mystery to science

Depends on what you mean by 'mystery.' I mean, there's always more to learn, and everything in science is a theory, but even at it's widest possible definition, 'mystery' doesn't justify 'superstitious belief in a skybeast.'

only god can explain what is death, life, sleep

 

[Keith&Co.]

Depends on what you mean by 'mystery.' I mean, there's always more to learn, and everything in science is a theory, but even at it's widest possible definition, 'mystery' doesn't justify 'superstitious belief in a skybeast.'

only god can explain what is death, life, sleep

Here's a hint, Syed, when a scientist ends his report with 'god only knows' he means 'yet.'
It's a request for further research, not evidence that gods are real, nor even evidence that the researcher thinks gods are real.

 

[Syed]

only god can explain what is death, life, sleep

Here's a hint, Syed, when a scientist ends his report with 'god only knows' he means 'yet.'
It's a request for further research, not evidence that gods are real, nor even evidence that the researcher thinks gods are real.

science has its limit, science will never be able explain everything in the universe

here is one, what is mind?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Here's a hint, Syed, when a scientist ends his report with 'god only knows' he means 'yet.'
It's a request for further research, not evidence that gods are real, nor even evidence that the researcher thinks gods are real.

science has its limit,

Right so far.

science will never be able explain everything in the universe

Probably true.

here is one, what is mind?

Okay, there you've exceeded your remit.
How do you know science will NEVER fully explain the mind?

And even if that's true, why do you think any superstition is the answer where science fails?
Historically, it's always been superstition which turns out to be the false answer, science the correct one.
Why is there suddenly going to be reversal of that at some point?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Even the professional Theologians, the Doctors of Divinity, use cherry picking and quite sophisticated rationalisation to diminish the cruel, vindictive god of war, Yahweh the god of Israel, while promoting the universal God of Love of the new testament....and even then ignoring the underlying vindictive, shallow nature of this deity in terms of selection criteria, punishment, etc. It's quite astonishing in its dishonesty.

I wouldn't want to diminish God's righteous exercise of His prerogative to wrath and punishment.

I don't call it "vindictive" but I certainly wouldn't resile from the hard facts. Neither do I accept that there is an Old Testament version of God who is somehow not the same God of the New Testament.

That would be like a child whose father was a police officer being unable to reconcile the fact that their parent at one time saves people from burning cars and other times uses a tazer on people who steal cars.

Ya, but if that parent knew the guy was going to steal the car and stood there watching him do it and only then went and got involved in order to taser him instead of just stopping him from stealing the car in the first place, the child would be forced to reconcile the fact that their parent is an unnecessarily violent dickhead.

 

[Syed]

science has its limit,

Right so far.

science will never be able explain everything in the universe

Probably true.

here is one, what is mind?

Okay, there you've exceeded your remit.
How do you know science will NEVER fully explain the mind?

because mind and reasoning is not physical thing

And even if that's true, why do you think any superstition is the answer where science fails?

for you superstition is something you cant comprehend

 

[DBT]

Even the professional Theologians, the Doctors of Divinity, use cherry picking and quite sophisticated rationalisation to diminish the cruel, vindictive god of war, Yahweh the god of Israel, while promoting the universal God of Love of the new testament....and even then ignoring the underlying vindictive, shallow nature of this deity in terms of selection criteria, punishment, etc. It's quite astonishing in its dishonesty.

I wouldn't want to diminish God's righteous exercise of His prerogative to wrath and punishment.

Righteous? One the one hand there is a set of given rules, things that this god is supposed to value....yet on the other hand this god is described as breaking these same values with no apparent regard for them.

I don't call it "vindictive" but I certainly wouldn't resile from the hard facts. Neither do I accept that there is an Old Testament version of God who is somehow not the same God of the New Testament.

Well it is clearly there to be read by anyone who cares to read the books of the bible;

The Lord...visits the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children’s children, to the third and the fourth generation. (Exodus 34:6-7 = Deuteronomy 5:8-10)

God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; Nahum 1:2

Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers. Isaiah 14:21

Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them. Ezekiel 8:18

The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, ... their land shall be soaked with blood, ... For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance. Isaiah 34:7-8

That would be like a child whose father was a police officer being unable to reconcile the fact that their parent at one time saves people from burning cars and other times uses a tazer on people who steal cars.

Not a good analogy.....what about gathering sticks on a Sabbath?

From the God of Love and Tender Mercy:

While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation. 34 They put him in custody, because it had not been made clear what should be done to him. 35 And the LORD said to Moses, “The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 And all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-36:

 

[DBT]

Syed, why do you think that you know?

because science can not explain death and life

quran explained both

Where in the Quran are these explanations of life and death to be found? Can you provide quotes?

 

[Syed]

because science can not explain death and life

quran explained both

Where in the Quran are these explanations of life and death to be found? Can you provide quotes?

creation of life

“And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: ‘I am going to create a human (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him.” (Quran 38:71-72)

about death

quran
Pickthall
Allah receiveth (men's) souls at the time of their death, and that (soul) which dieth not (yet) in its sleep. He keepeth that (soul) for which He hath ordained death and dismisseth the rest till an appointed term. Lo! herein verily are portents for people who take thought.

Muhsin Khan
It is Allah Who takes away the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep. He keeps those (souls) for which He has ordained death and sends the rest for a term appointed. Verily, in this are signs for a people who think deeply.

Shakir
Allah takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep; then He withholds those on whom He has passed the decree of death and sends the others back till an appointed term; most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect.

 

[DBT]

Where in the Quran are these explanations of life and death to be found? Can you provide quotes?

creation of life

“And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: ‘I am going to create a human (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him.” (Quran 38:71-72)

about death

quran
Pickthall
Allah receiveth (men's) souls at the time of their death, and that (soul) which dieth not (yet) in its sleep. He keepeth that (soul) for which He hath ordained death and dismisseth the rest till an appointed term. Lo! herein verily are portents for people who take thought.

Muhsin Khan
It is Allah Who takes away the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep. He keeps those (souls) for which He has ordained death and sends the rest for a term appointed. Verily, in this are signs for a people who think deeply.

Shakir
Allah takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep; then He withholds those on whom He has passed the decree of death and sends the others back till an appointed term; most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect.

Sorry, but I don't see anything in your quotes that explains life or death. I do see claims being made that assert creation of life by Allah....but that doesn't explain life, it just says that Allah created life.... with no evidence to show that this is true. It is what the authors of the Quran believed.

Aside from that, are you aware that the writers of the Quran 'borrowed' from other sources? That the medical references found in the Quran are taken from the work of the Greek physician Galen?

 

[Syed]

creation of life

“And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: ‘I am going to create a human (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him.” (Quran 38:71-72)

about death

quran
Pickthall
Allah receiveth (men's) souls at the time of their death, and that (soul) which dieth not (yet) in its sleep. He keepeth that (soul) for which He hath ordained death and dismisseth the rest till an appointed term. Lo! herein verily are portents for people who take thought.

Muhsin Khan
It is Allah Who takes away the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep. He keeps those (souls) for which He has ordained death and sends the rest for a term appointed. Verily, in this are signs for a people who think deeply.

Shakir
Allah takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep; then He withholds those on whom He has passed the decree of death and sends the others back till an appointed term; most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect.

Sorry, but I don't see anything in your quotes that explains life or death. I do see claims being made that assert creation of life by Allah....but that doesn't explain life, it just says that Allah created life.... with no evidence to show that this is true. It is what the authors of the Quran believed.

there is NO evidence for god as you wanted but there is sigh of god existence, life and death is one of those sigh

Aside from that, are you aware that the writers of the Quran 'borrowed' from other sources? That the medical references found in the Quran are taken from the work of the Greek physician Galen?

what did quran 'borrowed' from galen?

 

[another1]

I think the body does lose weight when it dies. I looked it up after watching a Sean Penn movie a long time ago. In some experiment, a (hopefully) willing person sat on a scale. Then died. The scientists repeated that however many times necessary to fulfill the ritual and the results were that a certain amount of kilograms mysteriously go away when humans die. I explained it away with the evaporation of sweat but the stuff I read disagreed so I have been left to believe it since. They could have figured that one out by now but it was a thing at some point in time.

Syed the quran looks like it means something totally different than what we're reading. The closest and safest explanations are all we can have maybe. The angels could be anything. Cloaked satellites, sand, leaves, Yeti, jinn... what? What do they look like, and how can I steal one of their guns? Could that even be possible? It doesn't go into enough detail. Nothing does, and that leads people to fill in their own,, while maintaining the outward appearances necessary. I assume the pressure to be Muslim is hard on you. It looks scary and I apologize for what it did to you. I highly recommend Christianity to all of my American friends whenever I get the chance, because in a few years it may come in handy to be considered Christian. Depends on how easily you can lie, but the justifications will be quite real soon enough. Sad, but we live in reality last time I checked.

The number of people meditating on their own God, while practicing an organized Religion is probably higher than the number who aren't. So it really doesn't matter. In a world where some words on a paper can do such things, I'd say rationality leans in the direction of bullshitting bullshitters, but maybe that is just my selfish opinion. But yeah, Syed, If you have a hypothesis about God angels and battery terminals that pertains to yourself, can you leave islam in physical life, and think for yourself when you speak your real feelings to internetters about the matter? I don't quote Holy books unless there is a gun to my head and I seriously don't need anymore quran this week. Or year. Quote the real Christian God all you like. No complaints there, but still, your own thoughts would be appreciated. What the fk is a jinn btw

 

[Syed]

I think the body does lose weight when it dies. I looked it up after watching a Sean Penn movie a long time ago. In some experiment, a (hopefully) willing person sat on a scale. Then died. The scientists repeated that however many times necessary to fulfill the ritual and the results were that a certain amount of kilograms mysteriously go away when humans die. I explained it away with the evaporation of sweat but the stuff I read disagreed so I have been left to believe it since. They could have figured that one out by now but it was a thing at some point in time.

i think i know why does dead body lose weight , when a person died the oxygen come out from body, the dead body lose weight

 

[Bronzeage]

Actually nothing, if we don't count natural losses through evaporation. Every molecule which was there before death, is still there.

It's really no different than a lamp which is switched off. Everything is still there. No mass is lost when you turn off a lamp.

lamp off because there is no fuel coming, so without fuel lamp died out

Electric lamps do not run on fuel. There is no combustion.

 

[Syed]

lamp off because there is no fuel coming, so without fuel lamp died out

Electric lamps do not run on fuel. There is no combustion.

without electricity or fuel lamp will turned off

 

[DBT]

what did quran 'borrowed' from galen?

Medical information from the Greek Physician Galen...including his errors. Which shows that the Quran is not a divinely inspired work, but a collection of information, ideas and concepts, from surrounding cultures and various time periods, including Judaism.

''Many have written about the remarkable similarities between Qur'anic embryology and that taught by Galen. He was a highly influential Greek physician (b. 130 CE), whose works were studied in Syria and Egypt during Muhammad's time[2]. Some of the most obvious links with Galen (and also with the Talmud) are in statements about the nutfah stage of embryology in the Qur'an, and even more so in the hadith. See the article Greek and Jewish Ideas about Reproduction in the Quran and Hadith for the compelling evidence. Striking similarities exist between the other Qur'anic embryo stages and Galen too. However, while interesting and very probable, these influences cannot be proven for the Qur'an, and it is in any case unnecessary when exposing the weaknesses in the Qur'anic descriptions. Thus this article will concentrate solely on showing that Qur'anic embryology is incorrect, and that Islamic websites and public figures make false, illogical or unproven assertions in its defence.''

 

[another1]

Electricity is life then. That is what you're saying? It starts life and it maintains it by shooting around in the brain and maybe connecting invisibly to things outside the brain.

Do you read about Tesla? He was an inventor born on the same day of the year I was. Supposedly at the stroke of midnight, but you know how those things go. Well, he was all about electricity. Think maybe he had the device we need? If so, where would it be now? I figure it looks something like a Polaroid Impossible I-1 camera with a little bit of steampunk flair. I heard about people getting put on special government lists when they buy certain equipment for experiments. We really need to spread out and order these pieces over time, and to different locations. What do we need to get btw. If we figure out how to make one, we may suddenly die in a random accident. They don't want the device in the hands of the righteous. So we'd better be careful here. Stealing it is always the better option but I'm easy. Any thoughts? And yeah death gas has weight I suppose.

 

[DrZoidberg]

No need for rudeness. Be nice to our theist guests.

But doesn't the sourcebook of many of our theist guests say that as they sow, so shall they reap?

I don't think Lion RC sowed any of that

 

[Keith&Co.]

How do you know science will NEVER fully explain the mind?

because mind and reasoning is not physical thing

I asked how you know this Syed, not just for a repeat of your unsupported BS.

And even if that's true, why do you think any superstition is the answer where science fails?

for you superstition is something you cant comprehend

And that's not an answer to the question, either.
Not that it's that much of a surprise.... You can NOT answer questions you have no answers to except more BS or lies or references to your superstition.