question for honest atheist, what is the word for god in arabic?
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C_Mucius_Scaevola
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What's the word for "god" in English? It's "god", which can mean a specific "god" or a generic "god". Likewise in Arabic, "allah" can mean a specific "god" or a generic "god".
Do Jews, Xians and Muslims believe in the same "god"? No, they each believe in their own conceptions of a "god", each "god" with its own attributes and traits. Shoehorning those "gods" into a "one size fits all" deity is classic sleight of hand, designed to fit your earlier claim that "EVERY thing in the universe is a muslim", a claim of universality which does not fit any facts.
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so arabic jews and christians believe in allah
NOW read this verse
Quran 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
does above verse referring to christians and jews?
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Good GRAVY!
Other people use the word 'god' in various forms, therefore they believe like Syed does!
That's logic.
Of course, atheists also use the word 'god' that translates to 'Allah.'
But atheists use the word 'god' to say 'i don't have a belief in gods' meaning that they use god to deny that allah exists which means they do NOT share Syed's beliefs.
How confusing, that sometimes people use a word to have multiple meanings. It would be either deceitful, dishonest, or fucking balls-out-stupid to think that any and every use of the word means a shared belief, wouldn't it?
Are you being deceitful or dishonest, Syed?
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Who believes in what is irrelevant to whether or not something is true.
There are one billion Muslims in the world. If we looked, I'm sure we could find some that believed this or that tenet from some other religion. So would that prove that those other religions are true? Of course not. Only evidence can do that, and "person X believes Your, therefore Y is true" is an appeal to authority fallacy.
And further, why are you using the Quran to prove your truth claims? Do you accept the holy books of other religions as proof for the truth claims of other religions? I should hope not. You can't support a claim with more claims. The holy book is part of what you have to prove in the first place. Thus it would be wrong for a Hindu to cite the Bagavad Ghita to prove that Hinduism is true.
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Syed is quite rightly pointing out that whilst Christians, Muslims and Jews do have obvious substantial doctrinal and theological differences, if you put all three side by side and contrast them with atheism, these Abrahamic monotheist religions are practically identical - they have much more in common than they have in dispute.
Did Adam and Eve worship the same God as Syed and Lion IRC? Yes.
Did Job worship the same God as Syed and Lion IRC? Yes.
Did Noah worship the same God as Syed and Lion IRC? Yes.
Did Abraham/Ibrahim worship the same God as Syed and Lion IRC? Yes.
Did Jonah worship the same God as Syed and Lion IRC? Yes.
Did Moses worship the same God as Syed and Lion IRC? Yes.
Does satan/shaytan try to defy the same God as Syed and Lion IRC? Yes.
If Sayed thinks I am mistaken about whether God can call someone His Son, and I disagree, we are nonetheless arguing about the SAME One and Only God/Allah who exists. We aren't disagreeing about two DIFFERENT supreme Beings.
Did Adam and Eve worship the same God as Syed and Lion IRC? Yes.
Did Job worship the same God as Syed and Lion IRC? Yes.
Did Noah worship the same God as Syed and Lion IRC? Yes.
Did Abraham/Ibrahim worship the same God as Syed and Lion IRC? Yes.
Did Jonah worship the same God as Syed and Lion IRC? Yes.
Did Moses worship the same God as Syed and Lion IRC? Yes.
Does satan/shaytan try to defy the same God as Syed and Lion IRC? Yes.
If Sayed thinks I am mistaken about whether God can call someone His Son, and I disagree, we are nonetheless arguing about the SAME One and Only God/Allah who exists. We aren't disagreeing about two DIFFERENT supreme Beings.
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That's far too sophisticated an interpretation of Syed's point. He's simply saying that anyone worshiping 'god' is using the same word and therefore he can claim they're effectively muslims.
He's trolling, with word games.
Do you consider yourself effectively muslim, Lion?
100% agree aman to that
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let me go farther if a man said he worship a rat we both worship same god but he is wrong about rat being god
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NO, jews belong to tribe of juda i am not
bible dont teach that
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So in your threads where you troll about WWII being Christins killing Christains, then you really believe it would be just as accurate to say that it was muslims doing the killing AND the dying?
So you 100% agree except for where you disagree.
That's helpful.
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Nope. I just remember some of the things Syed has said, which puts the lie to his current trolling.
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If there were a God then the theists might not even be able to recognize him, if he ever made any sort of appearance, as the religions have each got this one single same "supreme being" more or less wrong in their “substantial doctrinal and theological differences”. But at least they agree there's one god. Though one religion or the other religion will likely imagine they're more "on" about the details than the others.
All I get from this is there's a shared cultural background leading to similar beliefs, and especially about worshiping a single god.
If everyone is a Muslim then who were the dhimmi?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi
If everyone is a Muslim then who had the pay the jizya?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya
If everyone is a Muslim then why does your god command you to fight non-Muslims and force them to pay tribute?
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There are many version of the concept of a Creator that come under the heading of 'God' - that does not mean that all these versions refer to one and the same God. Most if not all versions are incompatible based on the given descriptions.....Allah is nothing like Brahma which is nothing like Yahweh which bears little resemblance Allah, and not even the Christian version of supposedly the same God as worshiped by Judaism is actually compatible. Jews do not accept Jesus as the Messiah, yet alone the Word of God, so there is a rift.
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Nah, different, incompatible, attributes being lumped under the labels of YWHA or Allah. Jews and Christians rejected Mohammad, his God Allah and his religion.