Syed's Mega-Thread

[Syed]

god is god just understanding is different

what is the word allah mean?

Nah, different, incompatible, attributes being lumped under the labels of YWHA or Allah. Jews and Christians rejected Mohammad, his God Allah and his religion.

do you know word allah use by first arab pagans then arab jews then arab christian then LAST arab musilims?

 

[DBT]

Nah, different, incompatible, attributes being lumped under the labels of YWHA or Allah. Jews and Christians rejected Mohammad, his God Allah and his religion.

do you know word allah use by first arab pagans then arab jews then arab christian then LAST arab musilims?

What does that prove? Judaism existed long before Islam and so did Christianity.

 

[Syed]

question for honest atheist, what is the word for god in arabic?

If everyone is a Muslim then who were the dhimmi?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

If everyone is a Muslim then who had the pay the jizya?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya

If everyone is a Muslim then why does your god command you to fight non-Muslims and force them to pay tribute?

dont change the subject

 

[Syed]

do you know word allah use by first arab pagans then arab jews then arab christian then LAST arab musilims?

What does that prove? Judaism existed long before Islam and so did Christianity.

its prove word allah = to god

allah is not muslims god but just generic word for god

 

[bigfield]

If everyone is a Muslim then who were the dhimmi?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

If everyone is a Muslim then who had the pay the jizya?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya

If everyone is a Muslim then why does your god command you to fight non-Muslims and force them to pay tribute?

dont change the subject

It's the same subject. You're the one who made the ludicrous claims that everyone is a Muslim.

 

[DBT]

What does that prove? Judaism existed long before Islam and so did Christianity.

its prove word allah = to god

allah is not muslims god but just generic word for god

To which I pointed out the differences between various versions of god, the god of Hinduism, Brahma is not Allah and so on.....which you ignored.

 

[Juma]

its prove word allah = to god

allah is not muslims god but just generic word for god

To which I pointed out the differences between various versions of god, the god of Hinduism, Brahma is not Allah and so on.....which you ignored.

But allah is not the name of a god. It is just the arabic word for (any) god.

 

[DBT]

To which I pointed out the differences between various versions of god, the god of Hinduism, Brahma is not Allah and so on.....which you ignored.

But allah is not the name of a god. It is just the arabic word for (any) god.

Well, yes, but that doesn't mean the god of Islam, Allah, is one and the same god as the god of Hinduism, Brahma, or the god of Israel, Yahweh, or the god of Spinoza, etc...contradictory descriptions of the attributes of ''god'' (generic) between religions and so on.

 

[Juma]

But allah is not the name of a god. It is just the arabic word for (any) god.

Well, yes, but that doesn't mean the god of Islam, Allah, is one and the same god as the god of Hinduism, Brahma, or the god of Israel, Yahweh, or the god of Spinoza, etc...contradictory descriptions of the attributes of ''god'' (generic) between religions and so on.

Exactly.
But then: is it the same sherlock holmes in every book or movie made?

 

[William Rea]

To which I pointed out the differences between various versions of god, the god of Hinduism, Brahma is not Allah and so on.....which you ignored.

But allah is not the name of a god. It is just the arabic word for (any) god.

Yes, I think that you have this right so, people should be specific about whether they are positing 'Allah' or 'allah'.

 

[DBT]

Well, yes, but that doesn't mean the god of Islam, Allah, is one and the same god as the god of Hinduism, Brahma, or the god of Israel, Yahweh, or the god of Spinoza, etc...contradictory descriptions of the attributes of ''god'' (generic) between religions and so on.

Exactly.
But then: is it the same sherlock holmes in every book or movie made?

I don't think your comparison is a good analogy. Holmes is reasonably well defined fictional character, which perhaps also allows a degree of creative licence, a bit of leeway, some wriggle room, exploring aspects of his character that may not be in the original books...but the various depictions of 'God' - Yahweh, Brahma, etc - have no core elements that are clearly related to single''God' as we see with most depictions Holms, being recognizably the same fictional character.

 

[Syed]

dont change the subject

It's the same subject. You're the one who made the ludicrous claims that everyone is a Muslim.

by definition of muslim according to islam every body is a muslim even atheist

 

[Syed]

Exactly.
But then: is it the same sherlock holmes in every book or movie made?

I don't think your comparison is a good analogy. Holmes is reasonably well defined fictional character, which perhaps also allows a degree of creative licence, a bit of leeway, some wriggle room, exploring aspects of his character that may not be in the original books...but the various depictions of 'God' - Yahweh, Brahma, etc - have no core elements that are clearly related to single''God' as we see with most depictions Holms, being recognizably the same fictional character.

DBT

a muslim, a jew, a christian all explained to you allah generic word for god

why do you have problem with that? are you thinking you would lose debate?

 

[bigfield]

It's the same subject. You're the one who made the ludicrous claims that everyone is a Muslim.

by definition of muslim according to islam every body is a muslim even atheist

If everyone is a Muslim then who were the dhimmi?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

If everyone is a Muslim then who had to pay the jizya?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya

If everyone is a Muslim then why does your god command you to fight non-Muslims and force them to pay tribute?

 

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

To which I pointed out the differences between various versions of god, the god of Hinduism, Brahma is not Allah and so on.....which you ignored.

But allah is not the name of a god. It is just the arabic word for (any) god.

And "fromage" is not the name of a cheese. It's just the French word for (any) cheese. But French cheese is not the same as English cheese, which is different from Italian cheese, which is not the same as Greek cheese ... etc. They're all cheeses, but not the same cheese. So it is also with "gods".

Meanwhile in Malaysia, non-Muslims are banned from using the word "Allah" for their "god", despite it being the generic Arabic word for (any) "god". Because it is also, despite what you say, the name of the Muslims' "god".

 

[Syed]

But allah is not the name of a god. It is just the arabic word for (any) god.

And "fromage" is not the name of a cheese. It's just the French word for (any) cheese. But French cheese is not the same as English cheese, which is different from Italian cheese, which is not the same as Greek cheese ... etc. They're all cheeses, but not the same cheese. So it is also with "gods".

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word god, is it god of english people or generic word for allah?

Meanwhile in Malaysia, non-Muslims are banned from using the word "Allah" for their "god", despite it being the generic Arabic word for (any) "god". Because it is also, despite what you say, the name of the Muslims' "god".

they did that not for theological reason but political reason

 

[abaddon]

word god, is it god of english people or generic word for allah?

Just a generic word. People make of it whatever they want or are told to.

 

[Syed]

word god, is it god of english people or generic word for allah?

Just a generic word. People make of it whatever they want or are told to.

is it allah generic or god of muslims?

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by definition of muslim according to islam every body is a muslim even atheist

If everyone is a Muslim then who were the dhimmi?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

If everyone is a Muslim then who had to pay the jizya?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya

If everyone is a Muslim then why does your god command you to fight non-Muslims and force them to pay tribute?

i will explain in new thread

 

[Syed]

what is the generic word for god in arabic ?

 

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

And "fromage" is not the name of a cheese. It's just the French word for (any) cheese. But French cheese is not the same as English cheese, which is different from Italian cheese, which is not the same as Greek cheese ... etc. They're all cheeses, but not the same cheese. So it is also with "gods".

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word god, is it god of english people or generic word for allah?

Both.

Meanwhile in Malaysia, non-Muslims are banned from using the word "Allah" for their "god", despite it being the generic Arabic word for (any) "god". Because it is also, despite what you say, the name of the Muslims' "god".

they did that not for theological reason but political reason

Islam is, supposedly, not just a religion but a complete way of life (دين, deen), so you're wrong to separate the religious from the political. They're both encompassed in the دين.