Texas Cop Nathanial Robinson Uses Stun Gun On Elderly Man Over Inspection Sticker

[RavenSky]

How was this man non-compliant?

On the video, however, Robinson appears to try to snatch a piece of paper from Vasquez without success. Then, he grabs Vasquez's arm, twists it behind him and pushes him against the hood of the cruiser. After a brief scuffle, the cop reaches for both of Vasquez's arms and drags him the ground, out of camera range.

We obviously don't have the whole story but the guy apparently wasn't handing over a piece of paper. I can't think of anything they would think was relevant that shouldn't be handed to the cop.

So you are defending the cop for trying to grab stuff from the man as the old man not being compliant? Do you even know what the paper was? Are we supposed to simply hand over anything and everything a cop demands whether it has anything to do with the matter at hand or not? Suppose the cop was demanding bribe money and that is was he was trying to snatch? Would that still be ok in your eyes?

 

[Archimedes]

Are we supposed to simply hand over anything and everything a cop demands whether it has anything to do with the matter at hand or not?

According to Loren, yes. If a cop says jump, you say "how high" and do whatever the fuck he says, no matter how unreasonable. Otherwise expect a beating, tasering, shooting, etc.

Apparently advocating that citizens should meekly submit to anything a cop tells them to do and to expect violence if they don't say "how high" when told to jump is compatible with his libertarian principles. I've never come across someone with such a hard-on to defend violence on the part of government employees for the most minor of issues yet still think themselves a libertarian.

 

[barbos]

Could someone explain inspection sticker thing?

In most states in the US, cars have to bear a sticker on the windshield indicating that the car has undergone a safety inspection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_inspection#United_States

You mean emission safety?
that I know.

 

[Keith&Co.]

You mean emission safety?
that I know.

Depends on the state. Emission compliance is covered in many state inspections, but not all. But the brakes, lights, signals, tires, etc. are usually part of the safety inspection.

Texas:
1. Horn
2. Windshield Wipers
3. Mirror
4. Steering
5. Seat Belts
6. Brakes (system) (Parking - beginning with 1960 models)
7. Tires
8. Wheel Assembly
9. Exhaust System
10. Exhaust Emission System (beginning with 1968 models)
11. Beam Indicator (beginning with 1948 models)
12. Tail Lamps (2); (1) if 1959 model or earlier
13. Stop Lamps (2); (1) if 1959 model or earlier
14. License Plate Lamp (1)
15. Rear Red Reflectors (2)
16. Turn Signal Lamps (beginning with 1960 models)
17. Head Lamps (2)
18. Motor, Serial, or Vehicle Identification Number
19. Gas caps on vehicles 2-24 model years old
20. Window Tint.

 

[Arctish]

Apparently advocating that citizens should meekly submit to anything a cop tells them to do and to expect violence if they don't say "how high" when told to jump is compatible with his libertarian principles. I've never come across someone with such a hard-on to defend violence on the part of government employees for the most minor of issues yet still think themselves a libertarian.

I have. They're passionately libertarian when it comes to themselves and ruthlessly authoritarian when it comes to everyone else. The more unlike them they think you are, the more they support the cops beating your ass for whatever reason the cops think is good enough. They will openly carry loaded, unholstered semi-automatic weapons in a Wal Mart, and expect the cops to treat them with the utmost courtesy and respect. They will also support the shooting of a black man who was carrying an unloaded pellet gun in the same store on the grounds that he should have known better.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

States still do these inspections??? And the cop based a guy over it????

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Apparently advocating that citizens should meekly submit to anything a cop tells them to do and to expect violence if they don't say "how high" when told to jump is compatible with his libertarian principles. I've never come across someone with such a hard-on to defend violence on the part of government employees for the most minor of issues yet still think themselves a libertarian.

I have. They're passionately libertarian when it comes to themselves and ruthlessly authoritarian when it comes to everyone else. The more unlike them they think you are, the more they support the cops beating your ass for whatever reason the cops think is good enough.

This is true of many libertarians I have known.

 

[Angry Floof]

Yes, they do, but the guy was driving a dealer car, which is exempt from the inspection laws.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

How was this man non-compliant?

On the video, however, Robinson appears to try to snatch a piece of paper from Vasquez without success. Then, he grabs Vasquez's arm, twists it behind him and pushes him against the hood of the cruiser. After a brief scuffle, the cop reaches for both of Vasquez's arms and drags him the ground, out of camera range.

We obviously don't have the whole story but the guy apparently wasn't handing over a piece of paper. I can't think of anything they would think was relevant that shouldn't be handed to the cop.

Are you for beating on belligerent pregnant women as well?

 

[Toni]

On the video, however, Robinson appears to try to snatch a piece of paper from Vasquez without success. Then, he grabs Vasquez's arm, twists it behind him and pushes him against the hood of the cruiser. After a brief scuffle, the cop reaches for both of Vasquez's arms and drags him the ground, out of camera range.

We obviously don't have the whole story but the guy apparently wasn't handing over a piece of paper. I can't think of anything they would think was relevant that shouldn't be handed to the cop.

Are you for beating on belligerent pregnant women as well?

Well, duh. How else are you going to get them into handcuffs and force them to comply with on the spot screening for substance abuse, lack of appropriate health insurance, non-compliance with doctor mandated diet and exercise regimes and for not having enough money to support themselves and the child if (when) the father rightfully refuses to provide any support for the child because the pregnancy IS HER FAULT and SHE TRICKED HIM.

 

[ksen]

How was this man non-compliant?

On the video, however, Robinson appears to try to snatch a piece of paper from Vasquez without success. Then, he grabs Vasquez's arm, twists it behind him and pushes him against the hood of the cruiser. After a brief scuffle, the cop reaches for both of Vasquez's arms and drags him the ground, out of camera range.

We obviously don't have the whole story but the guy apparently wasn't handing over a piece of paper. I can't think of anything they would think was relevant that shouldn't be handed to the cop.

If only the whole incident was captured on video and posted somewhere for us to see what happened.

 

[Keith&Co.]

In most states you are expected to resolve such issues in the courtroom, not at the point of contact.

Why?
Court appearances are a hassle. Seriously, if the guy is not in the wrong, and knows he's not in the wrong, the natural tendency is to want to resolve the issue without tickets being written, without him AND THE COP wasting hours sitting in the back of the courtroom while grandmothers explain that it was perfectly logical to make a U-turn in front of the toll plaza during rush hour because she'd left her coin purse back in Des Moines...

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Apparently advocating that citizens should meekly submit to anything a cop tells them to do and to expect violence if they don't say "how high" when told to jump is compatible with his libertarian principles. I've never come across someone with such a hard-on to defend violence on the part of government employees for the most minor of issues yet still think themselves a libertarian.

I have. They're passionately libertarian when it comes to themselves and ruthlessly authoritarian when it comes to everyone else. The more unlike them they think you are, the more they support the cops beating your ass for whatever reason the cops think is good enough. They will openly carry loaded, unholstered semi-automatic weapons in a Wal Mart, and expect the cops to treat them with the utmost courtesy and respect. They will also support the shooting of a black man who was carrying an unloaded pellet gun in the same store on the grounds that he should have known better.

This is true of many libertarians I have known.

Only if you put the word "libertarian" in quotes. Without said quotes the statement shows how people want to redefine it to mean anything. People know the claims to libertarianism among the police defenders are not true ... except for when it is convenient to forget that said claims are not true.

Arctish, Archemedes, do you find it convenient or do you know Loren isn't libertarian?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Only if you put the word "libertarian" in quotes. Without said quotes the statement shows how people want to redefine it to mean anything. People know the claims to libertarianism among the police defenders are not true ... except for when it is convenient to forget that said claims are not true.

Arctish, Archemedes, do you find it convenient or do you know Loren isn't libertarian?

#NotallLibertarians.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Bullshit. Not libertarian at all as it violates the definition of the term.

You cannot have a libertarian who advocates violating peoples individual rights. It is like having an atheist theist.

Are you saying "not all atheists don't believe in god"?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Bullshit. Not libertarian at all as it violates the definition of the term.

No true Libertarian...

 

[ksen]

Where is this authoritative definition found?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Bullshit. Not libertarian at all as it violates the definition of the term.

No true Libertarian...

Do you know what the word "definition" means?

"No True Scotsman" refers to someone who meets all the essential characteristics but fails to meet an unessential characteristic that someone else is defining arbitrarily as essential. That isn't the case with Loren, whose positions are violating the essential characteristics of libertarianism.

What you are doing is essentially saying that all humans, no matter where in the world they are born, no matter their lineage, are Scotsmen because they are human.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No true Libertarian...

Do you know what the word "definition" means?

No. I'll go look it up.

"No True Scotsman" refers to someone who meets all the essential characteristics but fails to meet an unessential characteristic that someone else is defining arbitrarily as essential. That isn't the case with Loren, whose positions are violating the essential characteristics of libertarianism.

The best part about Libertarianism is that there is no actual libertarian stance. Every libertarian has different views. Some are not socially libertarian. Some are not economically libertarian. Are you going to harmp on funinspace too because he doesn't fit in with your definition of libertarianism?

What you are doing is essentially saying that all humans, no matter where in the world they are born, no matter their lineage, are Scotsmen because they are human.

Aren't they?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

So according to Jimmy Higgins, if he doesn't like a position someone is taking that makes it a libertarian position.

Do you want an oppressive fascist government that controls every aspect of your life? According to Jimmy, that's libertarian. (And I'm giving Jimmy credit here, by assuming he doesn't want an oppressive fascist government.)

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So according to Jimmy Higgins, if he doesn't like a position someone is taking that makes it a libertarian position.

I've been posting along side Loren Pechtel for over a decade. His positions on a number of things are rather clear. That you don't like one particular part of his views doesn't negate him from being primarily Libertarian.

Do you want an oppressive fascist government that controls every aspect of your life? According to Jimmy, that's libertarian. (And I'm giving Jimmy credit here, by assuming he doesn't want an oppressive fascist government.)

I do want an oppressive fascist government. But one run by the Corporations, not elected officials. That would make me a Libertarian.