The Cruelty Is The Point

[Angry Floof]

Busing illegals around the country worked.

Shooting yourself in the head works to cure a headache. The reason you shouldn't do that should be obvious, as should the reason you don't terrorize human beings as a political trick.

It got Biden's attention? That's what "worked"? If you wanted to get your neighbors' attention to discuss how to deal with the creep who keeps waving his dick at everyone, you could just wave your dick at them. miSsiOn aCcOmpLisHeD!

I don't think it is intentional cruelty. More like frustration and desperation with what people in the border states are facing.

Maybe "intentional cruelty" isn't quite accurate, especially since that implies self awareness on the part of the perpetrators.

More like "inherent cruelty" to the right wing mentality and world view.

 

[southernhybrid]

Imo, the real problem, in addition to the hatred and xenophobia of many people, is that it takes far too long for asylum seekers to make their case and be approved to legally enter the country. I would also welcome most people who aren't criminals and want to help fill jobs that need to be filled. The nursing home where my 97 year old mother currently lives is staffed mostly by immigrants. I know this because when I call and speak to almost any of the employees, from the receptionist to nurses and aides, most of them have obvious foreign accents. It's rated as a good nursing home and I've been satisfied with the care my mom has received. I realize that health care isn't the only area where we desperately need more people to fill jobs, but it's certainly one that is very important.

I've worked with a couple of aides who were immigrants, one from Haiti and one from Mexico. They were both wonderful people, full of compassion and very dependable. Why aren't we trying to bring more of these folks into our country without putting them through so much hassle? I've read that part of the problem is those on the right are scared that they will vote for Democrats. Even if they wanted to eventually become citizens, that takes years and it's a stupid reason for not bringing in much needed people to fill jobs. Plus, if you want people to vote for your party, give them reasons to do so.

If we could make the process much easier and much faster, that would help a lot. We have a huge number of jobs in many areas that aren't being filled by American citizens, so why is the so called "Nation of Immigrants" being so hateful towards those who want to become part of our country and make it a better place!

 

[crazyfingers]

The nursing home where my 97 year old mother currently lives is staffed mostly by immigrants. I know this because when I call and speak to almost any of the employees, from the receptionist to nurses and aides, most of them have obvious foreign accents.

There are problems though. My mother when she was in assisted living could not understand the thick accents of the aid staff and my mom mumbled terribly and I don't think that they understood her half the time.

 

[TomC]

so why is the so called "Nation of Immigrants" being so hateful towards those who want to become part of our country and make it a better place!

Exactly!

How can TeaParty Republicans justify building a Wall, when immigrants are what "Made America Great" in the first place?
Tom

 

[steve_bank]

Going back to the 19th century waves of immigrants faced bias.

Italians, Irish, East Europeans. When I was growing up Italian, Polish, and Irish drunk jokes were common. The 'dumb Polack'
jokes.

 

[steve_bank]

Do you think we, the USA, shold support a never ebding flow of never ending people stepping across the brder and annoucing 'YI am here'.

Yes.

Unaccompanied children are showing up.

Unaccompanied children show up all over the US. The best thing you can do for them is make sure they get somewhere safe.

Criticism of how the crsis is being handled but no oe wants to say the border should be close

Because it's a really stupid idea.

Closing the border is a solution in search of a problem. What problem is being caused by allowing people to freely travel across it? They aren't increasing the crime rate. They aren't burdening your welfare system. They certainly aren't hurting the economy, if anything the cheap labour they provide is widely sought after.

On top of that, closing the border would be insanely expensive. Why would you burden state and federal budgets, and damage the economy of every state on the border, with this white elephant project?

I don't think it is intentional cruelty. More like frustration and desperation with what people in the border states are facing.

The only problem they're facing is a severe lack of logistical infrastructure serving border towns and cities, and it is entirely self-inflicted.

I see. An ufiltered flow of immigrants into an economy not able to provide living jobs for all of them is a good idea?

Toxic altruism.

What if in your town or city the coty council or mayor said on national TV whoever you are come here and we will take care of you.

Would you like that?

Woluld you sign up to take care of a lone kid who des not speak English, and without any financial support?

I expect a lot of it is NIMBY. I am for it as long as it is not in my back yard.

NYC known for immgtant populations and culture declared a crisis when illegals were sussed in. They had no funding or infrastructure to support it.

 

[bilby]

An ufiltered flow of immigrants into an economy not able to provide living jobs for all of them is a good idea?

Given the historical effects of large scale immigration on economies, I am going to say "Yes, it's an excellent idea".

Immigration typically results in lower unemployment and higher GDP, ceteris paribus.

Indeed, it's widely accepted that massive immigration is what made your country great.

And toxic altruism sounds a LOT better than toxic cruelty, toxic insularity, and toxic xenophobia. If we're forced to choose.

 

[Oleg]

Given the historical effects of large scale immigration on economies, I am going to say "Yes, it's an excellent idea".

What's odd is that this solution is never proposed to help non-Western countries grow their economies.

 

[Patooka]

Given the historical effects of large scale immigration on economies, I am going to say "Yes, it's an excellent idea".

What's odd is that this solution is never proposed to help non-Western countries grow their economies.

Maybe because a lot of people who are anti-immigration also believe strongly in the "one drop" rule. I mean, I'm willing to bet there is someone very close to you in real life who believes in replacement theory and anything non-white is an automatic contaminant.

 

[bigfield]

I see. An ufiltered flow of immigrants into an economy not able to provide living jobs for all of them is a good idea?

What makes you think they aren't getting jobs?

What if in your town or city the coty council or mayor said on national TV whoever you are come here and we will take care of you.

I expect my city to provide s safe place to live to all of its inhabitants, regardless of where they came from.

If people want to come here to make a better life for themselves, they are welcome to do so. It is good for a city to have an inflow of aspirational people, because they have something to work for. We also need them to help support the oversized cohort of crusty old boomers who do nothing but consume and complain.

Woluld you sign up to take care of a lone kid who des not speak English, and without any financial support?

That would be impossible here. Foster parents receive substantial assistance from the government.

NYC known for immgtant populations and culture declared a crisis when illegals were sussed in. They had no funding or infrastructure to support it.

I'll say what I said before: you have a self-inflicted logistics problem.

 

[Toni]

Do you think we, the USA, shold support a never ebding flow of never ending people stepping across the brder and annoucing 'YI am here'.

Yes.

Unaccompanied children are showing up.

Unaccompanied children show up all over the US. The best thing you can do for them is make sure they get somewhere safe.

Criticism of how the crsis is being handled but no oe wants to say the border should be close

Because it's a really stupid idea.

Closing the border is a solution in search of a problem. What problem is being caused by allowing people to freely travel across it? They aren't increasing the crime rate. They aren't burdening your welfare system. They certainly aren't hurting the economy, if anything the cheap labour they provide is widely sought after.

On top of that, closing the border would be insanely expensive. Why would you burden state and federal budgets, and damage the economy of every state on the border, with this white elephant project?

I don't think it is intentional cruelty. More like frustration and desperation with what people in the border states are facing.

The only problem they're facing is a severe lack of logistical infrastructure serving border towns and cities, and it is entirely self-inflicted.

I see. An ufiltered flow of immigrants into an economy not able to provide living jobs for all of them is a good idea?

Toxic altruism.

What if in your town or city the coty council or mayor said on national TV whoever you are come here and we will take care of you.

Would you like that?
Would you sign up to take care of a lone kid who des not speak English, and without any financial support?

I expect a lot of it is NIMBY. I am for it as long as it is not in my back yard.

NYC known for immgtant populations and culture declared a crisis when illegals were sussed in. They had no funding or infrastructure to support it.

Actually, I've 'signed up' to take care of kids with...limited English, multiple times. Teenagers--everyone knows teenagers are the best kind, lowest maintenance kids around. No financial assistance. Our family hosted a number of foreign exchange students. I never thought of it as altruism but as a wonderful opportunity and frankly, a lot of fun for our whole family. Yes, it was for a defined period of time. Yes, there were (kind of) resources if there was a problem---and with a couple of them, there was a problem.

Yes, you are correct: there is and will continue to be a lot of NIMBY.

Yes, it is an issue that employers take advantage of cheap labor and the presence of (too many) immigrants can suppress wages, which, imo, is a good reason to raise the minimum wage across the board and enforce it.

Yes, it can be big issues if there is a large number of recently arrived immigrants without the means to provide for housing and food and without good English skills. So what? The benefit is substantial and more than outweighs the cost.