The dark side of #blacklivesmatter

[zorq]

It's an accurate truth that some people in America have a problem with #BlackLivesMatter because they do not, actually DO NOT want to be told that black lives do matter. They want to continue thinking black lives do NOT matter. These people exist.

It's an accurate truth that some people in America have a problem with #AllLivesMatter because they do not, actually DO NOT want to be told that all lives matter. They want to continue thinking all lives do NOT matter. These people exist.

Sweeping generalizations are fun for the whole family!

I'm confused. Is this post supposed to be sarcasm? Because it sounds like a plain truth.

Besides, when someone uses the word "Some" to qualify a statement, that statement simply isn't a "sweeping generalization" by definition.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So #BlackLivesMatter is a wake-up. It causes us to pick up our heads, look around, What? Did someone say they didn't? HOLY SHIT, HOW DID I MISS THAT, they ARE saying black lives don't matter! No way, man, not in my America! Black lives DO matter! I agree!

No. #BlackLivesMatter is just more of the bogus claims of discrimination against blacks. As such, it's racist.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If you break your leg you put a cast on your leg, not all your limbs. If you have a toothache, you don't tell the dentist to give all your teeth a root canal and if your car catches fire, you don't tell the fire department to hose down the city.

We have a continuing problem in this country of devaluing and allowing if not causing the unnecessary deaths of black people. This phrase calls attention to that problem. If you deny there is a problem, then you are blind, be it physically or willfully. If being reminded makes some of you uncomfortable, tough shit. Saying nothing means people die and as quiet as it's kept, I tend to value human life over the comfort level of the heartless.

You're assuming rampant racial discrimination--something not in evidence. The more you beat this drum the worse the problem is going to get because it encourages illegal resistance. The KKK is nothing compared to the harm being done by the antidiscrimination crowd.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The fact is that while I live in a state that is widely regarded as 'progressive,' there is significant racism and a very, very significant difference in achievement/outcomes to use the new parlance, in K-12 education where my state is one has one of the worst achievement gaps in the nation. And I understand it. I've watched it in my own tiny little corner of the state where it's about 98% white. There is a general assumption that anyone with dark skin has a lot of ground to make up, is behind academically, and that we really cannot expect too much out of 'them.' Except that they will probably just end up being criminals. Honestly, these are things I have heard. From teachers. And a lot worse from parents. There is just a general expectation of bad behavior/low achievement/lack of preparedness. And it is assumed of any child who moves into the school district, no matter their color. Although it is easier to get around if they moved from another part of the state.

And we are a progressive state.

I suggest rechecking your assumptions.

You ass u me that the cause of any discrepancy is racism and don't even consider that there might be other factors going on--thus causing the real causes to be ignored.

 

[ksen]

If you break your leg you put a cast on your leg, not all your limbs. If you have a toothache, you don't tell the dentist to give all your teeth a root canal and if your car catches fire, you don't tell the fire department to hose down the city.

We have a continuing problem in this country of devaluing and allowing if not causing the unnecessary deaths of black people. This phrase calls attention to that problem. If you deny there is a problem, then you are blind, be it physically or willfully. If being reminded makes some of you uncomfortable, tough shit. Saying nothing means people die and as quiet as it's kept, I tend to value human life over the comfort level of the heartless.

You're assuming rampant racial discrimination--something not in evidence. The more you beat this drum the worse the problem is going to get because it encourages illegal resistance. The KKK is nothing compared to the harm being done by the antidiscrimination crowd.

lol

 

[laughing dog]

The fact is that while I live in a state that is widely regarded as 'progressive,' there is significant racism and a very, very significant difference in achievement/outcomes to use the new parlance, in K-12 education where my state is one has one of the worst achievement gaps in the nation. And I understand it. I've watched it in my own tiny little corner of the state where it's about 98% white. There is a general assumption that anyone with dark skin has a lot of ground to make up, is behind academically, and that we really cannot expect too much out of 'them.' Except that they will probably just end up being criminals. Honestly, these are things I have heard. From teachers. And a lot worse from parents. There is just a general expectation of bad behavior/low achievement/lack of preparedness. And it is assumed of any child who moves into the school district, no matter their color. Although it is easier to get around if they moved from another part of the state.

And we are a progressive state.

I suggest rechecking your assumptions.

You ass u me that the cause of any discrepancy is racism and don't even consider that there might be other factors going on--thus causing the real causes to be ignored.

Perhaps if you stopped assuming that observers are incapable of making accurate observations about their worlds, it is possible you might learn something.

 

[Derec]

Don't be so hard on yourself. For some reason, you think there is no logical or political or social difference between civilians killing each other, and the police (agents of the state with special privileges) killing people.

Of course there is a difference - police officers, in course of their regular duties, are more likely to have to engage in use of deadly force than Joe Q Civilian. That's why it is so ridiculous to always jump to the conclusion that it was "murder". In some cases it is, but most of the time it isn't.

Police killing unarmed civilians is a real problem for society and for the police.

Unarmed doesn't mean harmless. It also doesn't mean the shooting was not justified, see Michael Brown.

Regardless of your views of the reasonableness or legitimacy of a large portion of the black community's concern over the treatment of blacks by the police, their concern and views are a real issue for the stability and peace of our society. Railing about black on black civilian crime or whining about how the black community ignores white people being killed by police is a pathetic attempt to deflect from that problem. Especially when it comes from a poster with a long and documentable history of minimizing and ridiculing the concerns of the black community.

This attitude is simply trying to shut down debate to anybody disagreeing with a particular point of view. Same thing with mocking language like "whitesplaining".

 

[laughing dog]

Unarmed doesn't mean harmless. It also doesn't mean the shooting was not justified, see Michael Brown.

Please explain how that is relevant to "Police killing unarmed civilians is a real problem for society and for the police. "

This attitude is simply trying to shut down debate to anybody disagreeing with a particular point of view. Same thing with mocking language like "whitesplaining".

What in the world are you whining about now?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Wow, that's a really mature way to quote what I wrote and make it say the opposite of what I actually said. Bravo!

It's an accurate truth that some people in America have a problem with #BlackLivesMatter because they do not, actually DO NOT want to be told that black lives do matter. They want to continue thinking black lives do NOT matter. These people exist.

Some people perhaps. And that could have been said, but instead I was quoted. The manipulated quote gave the impression that I was saying that, when the writer knew I was not. That is dishonest and immature.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

If you break your leg you put a cast on your leg, not all your limbs. If you have a toothache, you don't tell the dentist to give all your teeth a root canal and if your car catches fire, you don't tell the fire department to hose down the city.

We have a continuing problem in this country of devaluing and allowing if not causing the unnecessary deaths of black people. This phrase calls attention to that problem. If you deny there is a problem, then you are blind, be it physically or willfully. If being reminded makes some of you uncomfortable, tough shit. Saying nothing means people die and as quiet as it's kept, I tend to value human life over the comfort level of the heartless.

You're assuming rampant racial discrimination--something not in evidence. The more you beat this drum the worse the problem is going to get because it encourages illegal resistance. The KKK is nothing compared to the harm being done by the antidiscrimination crowd.

I am assuming nothing. And deep down you know it. Tell me. What scares you more? That racism is alive and well in America or what might be alive and well in you?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I suggest rechecking your assumptions.

You ass u me that the cause of any discrepancy is racism and don't even consider that there might be other factors going on--thus causing the real causes to be ignored.

Perhaps if you stopped assuming that observers are incapable of making accurate observations about their worlds, it is possible you might learn something.

Because again and again I see people assuming that a disparate result proves discrimination. Any such observer is not credible.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You're assuming rampant racial discrimination--something not in evidence. The more you beat this drum the worse the problem is going to get because it encourages illegal resistance. The KKK is nothing compared to the harm being done by the antidiscrimination crowd.

I am assuming nothing. And deep down you know it. Tell me. What scares you more? That racism is alive and well in America or what might be alive and well in you?

Or is it that you're scared that racism might not be what's behind black people on average being behind whites.

 

[ksen]

oooohh, what might it be Loren?

 

[Trausti]

I am assuming nothing. And deep down you know it. Tell me. What scares you more? That racism is alive and well in America or what might be alive and well in you?

Or is it that you're scared that racism might not be what's behind black people on average being behind whites.

The silly things you'll believe when your're convinced that genes don't matter.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

AA & LP, I find it entertaining that neither of you can see or acknowledge the points of the other. Loren, racism is real and often a factor. Athena, racism does not explain everything bad that ever happens to black people... and black people can themselves be racist (gasp!)

 

[Tom Sawyer]

and black people can themselves be racist (gasp!)

Not if you redefine racism to exclude them, they can't.

 

[Rhea]

It's an accurate truth that some people in America have a problem with #BlackLivesMatter because they do not, actually DO NOT want to be told that black lives do matter. They want to continue thinking black lives do NOT matter. These people exist.

Some people perhaps. And that could have been said, but instead I was quoted. The manipulated quote gave the impression that I was saying that, when the writer knew I was not. That is dishonest and immature.

Oh, I didn't read that he was assigning the words to you at all. I read that he was correcting your misinformation about why folks in America who object to BLM are objecting.

Out of curiosity, Jolly, have you spent a lot of time in America?

 

[ksen]

It's an accurate truth that some people in America have a problem with #BlackLivesMatter because they do not, actually DO NOT want to be told that black lives do matter. They want to continue thinking black lives do NOT matter. These people exist.

Some people perhaps. And that could have been said . . .

It is what was said.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Oh, I didn't read that he was assigning the words to you at all. I read that he was correcting your misinformation about why folks in America who object to BLM are objecting.

Quoting somebody is assigning words to them. Misquoting or manipulating a quote of somebody is dishonest and immature.

I kick puppies for fun

See what I mean?

Out of curiosity, Jolly, have you spent a lot of time in America?

I live in North America, so yes, most of my life If you mean the U.S.A., I go there about once per year for a week or so. Never lived there and don't want to.

 

[Rhea]

Quoting somebody is assigning words to them. Misquoting or manipulating a quote of somebody is dishonest and immature.

I really think you just mis-read his post.

You said that the problem with #BLM was that it said BLM and not ALM.
He replied, it seems to me with a bit of wry humor, something that seemed to read just like, "well, to be honest, their problem with #BLM is having to admit that BLM at all and they don't want to."

It really really does not look like he's say you think that, but that he's telling you that many Americans think that, because it looked like you didn't know.

And I think he's right. A whole lot of the resistance to #BLM is the uncomfortable and unpleasant idea that BL _do_ M.

Out of curiosity, Jolly, have you spent a lot of time in America?

I live in North America, so yes, most of my life If you mean the U.S.A., I go there about once per year for a week or so. Never lived there and don't want to.

Thanks, I've always been curious about that because sometimes you say things about how race relations should go in the USA that make me say, "What? There are a WHOLE LOT of hurdles before that could ever happen."