The Earth's three highest mountains - by three definitions

[Politesse]

Oh-ho?

Earth’s tallest mountain is in Hawaii. Here’s what it took to ascend it​

… courtesy of 21st century tech, plus bicycles. Meh.

No one climbs without tech.

 

[Elixir]

Oh-ho?

Earth’s tallest mountain is in Hawaii. Here’s what it took to ascend it​

… courtesy of 21st century tech, plus bicycles. Meh.

No one climbs without tech.

Well, if you include shoes and clothing, yeah.
I just don’t get how this is some great accomplishment. The hardest part is the bike ride, and thousands of people do it.

 

[skepticalbip]

Oh-ho?

Earth’s tallest mountain is in Hawaii. Here’s what it took to ascend it​

… courtesy of 21st century tech, plus bicycles. Meh.

I do think it is cute how the picture in the article was taken of probably one of the few mounds on Mauna Kea's peak without a large telescope in the frame. It does, however, give a better visual impression that getting there was a dauntless task.

The article should have made the 'climb' sound even more extradentary by mentioned that they rejected the use of high tech climbing gear in their final ascent to the summit.

 

[steve_bank]

A new Iron Man competition.

Swimming, running, bicycling, and climbing an undersea mountain.

 

[Politesse]

Oh-ho?

Earth’s tallest mountain is in Hawaii. Here’s what it took to ascend it​

… courtesy of 21st century tech, plus bicycles. Meh.

No one climbs without tech.

Well, if you include shoes and clothing, yeah.
I just don’t get how this is some great accomplishment. The hardest part is the bike ride, and thousands of people do it.

And yet they were the first to do so.

 

[steve_bank]

A walking stick is technology. Pick a suitable stick off the ground.

How long has forms of footwear been around?

 

[Elixir]

A walking stick is technology. Pick a suitable stick off the ground.
How long has forms of footwear been around?

Let's ask Ootzi.
Longer than deep submersibles, I'd guess.
(sorry - I should have qualified modern tech. Oh wait... I did)

 

[Politesse]

How long has forms of footwear been around?

Unknown, but the oldest known footwear are the Fort Rock Sandals, which are more than 9,000 years old. And as they were found in Oregon, it's commonly assumed that their discovery means footwear must predate the initial settlement of the Americas from Asia. A more indirect form of evidence, osteological wear, suggests Eurasians were wearing footwear from around 30,000 years ago.

 

[steve_bank]

A walking stick is technology. Pick a suitable stick off the ground.
How long has forms of footwear been around?

Let's ask Ootzi.
Longer than deep submersibles, I'd guess.
(sorry - I should have qualified modern tech. Oh wait... I did)

Do you know who Robbins and Chouonard were?

Chocks and nuts instead of pins and hammers. That was new climbing technology in the day. Carabiners were a major innovation. Sheathed lightweight Perlon rope. Many thin strands in a sheath. More flexibl and less running resistance than raditional style rope.

The original North Face Oval Intention tent highly resistant to wind was based on Fullers geodesic dome.

The Oval Intention Walkthrough - LP Version | OutInUnder - Slow Social Media

The Oval Intention was a watershed product that altered the course of tent design in architecture, construction, and materials (particularly in the use of arrowshaft aluminum poles.)

www.outinunder.com

EBs climbing shoes. Max friction.

History of Climbing Shoes | EB-CLIMBING

History of climbing shoes since the beginning. Pierre Allain, a young climber from Paris, is growing a passion for boulders in Fontainebleau. Soon he realizes that he is more efficient with sneakers than with “big climbing shoes”

eb-climbing.com

 

[lpetrich]

How long has forms of footwear been around?

Unknown, but the oldest known footwear are the Fort Rock Sandals, which are more than 9,000 years old. And as they were found in Oregon, it's commonly assumed that their discovery means footwear must predate the initial settlement of the Americas from Asia. A more indirect form of evidence, osteological wear, suggests Eurasians were wearing footwear from around 30,000 years ago.

What evidence is that? What evidence is there for clothes in general?

In an earlier post, I'd listed Ötzi as having an altitude record. I did that because it is documented by his body. Either he climbed up to his final altitude or else those who carried his body did so.

 

[Elixir]

A walking stick is technology. Pick a suitable stick off the ground.
How long has forms of footwear been around?

Let's ask Ootzi.
Longer than deep submersibles, I'd guess.
(sorry - I should have qualified modern tech. Oh wait... I did)

Do you know who Robbins and Chouonard were?

Chocks and nuts instead of pins and hammers. That was new climbing technology in the day. Carabiners were a major innovation. Sheathed lightweight Perlon rope. Many thin strands in a sheath. More flexibl and less running resistance than raditional style rope.

The original North Face Oval Intention tent highly resistant to wind was based on Fullers geodesic dome.

The Oval Intention Walkthrough - LP Version | OutInUnder - Slow Social Media

The Oval Intention was a watershed product that altered the course of tent design in architecture, construction, and materials (particularly in the use of arrowshaft aluminum poles.)

www.outinunder.com

EBs climbing shoes. Max friction.

History of Climbing Shoes | EB-CLIMBING

History of climbing shoes since the beginning. Pierre Allain, a young climber from Paris, is growing a passion for boulders in Fontainebleau. Soon he realizes that he is more efficient with sneakers than with “big climbing shoes”

eb-climbing.com

Two startups ago … we were regulars at Outdoor Retailer and served as medical station for the Summer Market shows, in Reno and later in SLC ( I was in the Salt Palace when the tornado of 1999 hit, tore up the place), bunch of injuries, one code on scene another in transit.

I was never a climber but one of the reps I managed carried 5.10 and Black Diamond another associate was an owner of Sterling rope, so yeah - met all those guys&gals, Jim Whittaker, Jon Krakauer… lotsa climbers. Partied well, got free climbing shoes (ouch, damn!)… learned all the morbid climber jokes … good times.
You probably know what a RURP is right? Yeah, nope. Not for me!

 

[steve_bank]

If I remember right from the show I watched.

He carried a kit for making arrows. His clothes and shoes were two layers of leather stuffed with vegetation for insulation.

Tibetan yoga masters can demonstrate the ability to go out in the cold with light clothing. They can riase body temperature.

There was a cable show called Dual Survial. Two guys get dropped into extreme environments with nothing. One guy was a survalist who ived in Arizona. He never wore shoes. even in harsh surface environments. His feet toughened.

He did not wear shoes in snow country and always wore shorts regardless of temperature.. He is for real.

Cody Lundin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There was another guy who taught wilderness survival who you could drop almost anywhere and he could figure out how to not just survive but eat well and create good shelter. He could craft an array of tools and hunting weapons from scratch. An intimate and detailed knowledge of the environment and how to use it, like all our ancestors did.

Us humans in a short time have become soft, no exageration.

 

[Elixir]

Cody was always hurting his feet and slowing things down for those “dual survivors”. Still, walking around barefoot in the snow in sub-freezing weather without frostbite- or even significant discomfort, bespeaks the versatile adaptability of the human body

 

[Politesse]

How long has forms of footwear been around?

Unknown, but the oldest known footwear are the Fort Rock Sandals, which are more than 9,000 years old. And as they were found in Oregon, it's commonly assumed that their discovery means footwear must predate the initial settlement of the Americas from Asia. A more indirect form of evidence, osteological wear, suggests Eurasians were wearing footwear from around 30,000 years ago.

What evidence is that? What evidence is there for clothes in general?

In an earlier post, I'd listed Ötzi as having an altitude record. I did that because it is documented by his body. Either he climbed up to his final altitude or else those who carried his body did so.

Specifically, the Fort Rock style is now represented by thirteen full specimens from six sites, which have consistently been dated from roughly the same millennium. You can read more about the Fort Rock Assemblage at this link. https://www.oregonencyclopedia.org/articles/fort_rock_sandals/

The evidence for clothing in general far, far predates the evidence for shoes specifically, and hinges on the development of a lithic tool set with obvious purpose other than textile manufacture (as well as the more circumstantial but convincing evidence such as the evolution of clothing lice and our settlement of subarctic regions where unclothed humans could not survive). You can read more on this issue here: https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/when-did-humans-first-start-wearing-clothes

 

[lpetrich]

Fort Rock Sandals
I used Google's image search, and I found
Sandals Drawings | Museum of Natural and Cultural History

They look like slippers with heel straps.

When did humans first start wearing clothes? - BBC Science Focus Magazine

Stone tools that may have been used for preparing animal hides:

• Gran Dolina in the Spanish Atapuerca Mountains, Homo antecessor, 780,000 ya
• Schöningen in Germany, Homo heidelbergensis, 400,000 ya

We see clearer evidence from the Neanderthals, who lived as far back as 400,000 years ago: the pattern of musculature on Neanderthal arms suggests that they habitually carried out tasks like hide preparation. Despite having bodies that were more cold-adapted than ours, a 2012 study estimated that Neanderthals may have needed to cover up to 80 per cent of their bodies to survive the harsh winters.

In our species, some evidence comes from an indirect source. Head lice and clothing lice are closely related, and they diverged around 170,000 years ago.

During winter, we probably needed to cover as much as 90 per cent of the body, which may be why we developed more modern-looking clothing than the fur cloaks that Neanderthals are suggested to have worn. By around 40,000 years ago, we were using needles and awls, made out of bone and stone, to create sewn, fitted clothes to keep us warm.