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The effects of warming: Kilodeaths

Opinion | How Scientists Got Climate Change So Wrong - The New York Times
Few thought it would arrive so quickly. Now we’re facing consequences once viewed as fringe scenarios.

For decades, most scientists saw climate change as a distant prospect. We now know that thinking was wrong. This summer, for instance, a heat wave in Europe penetrated the Arctic, pushing temperatures into the 80s across much of the Far North and, according to the Belgian climate scientist Xavier Fettweis, melting some 40 billion tons of Greenland’s ice sheet.

Had a scientist in the early 1990s suggested that within 25 years a single heat wave would measurably raise sea levels, at an estimated two one-hundredths of an inch, bake the Arctic and produce Sahara-like temperatures in Paris and Berlin, the prediction would have been dismissed as alarmist. But many worst-case scenarios from that time are now realities.

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So far, the costs of underestimation have been enormous. New York City’s subway system did not flood in its first 108 years, but Hurricane Sandy’s 2012 storm surge caused nearly $5 billion in water damage, much of which is still not repaired. In 2017, Hurricane Harvey gave Houston and the surrounding region a $125 billion lesson about the costs of misjudging the potential for floods.

Opinion | Climate Change Will Cost Us Even More Than We Think - The New York Times
Economists greatly underestimate the price tag on harsher weather and higher seas. Why is that?

For some time now it has been clear that the effects of climate change are appearing faster than scientists anticipated. Now it turns out that there is another form of underestimation as bad or worse than the scientific one: the underestimating by economists of the costs.

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One reason is obvious: Since climate scientists have been underestimating the rate of climate change and the severity of its effects, then economists will necessarily underestimate their costs.
One problem is lack of experience with similar conditions. Another problem is difficult-to-quantify variables, like biodiversity. Another is cascading effects.
 
Opinion | How Scientists Got Climate Change So Wrong - The New York Times
Few thought it would arrive so quickly. Now we’re facing consequences once viewed as fringe scenarios.

For decades, most scientists saw climate change as a distant prospect. We now know that thinking was wrong. This summer, for instance, a heat wave in Europe penetrated the Arctic, pushing temperatures into the 80s across much of the Far North and, according to the Belgian climate scientist Xavier Fettweis, melting some 40 billion tons of Greenland’s ice sheet.

Had a scientist in the early 1990s suggested that within 25 years a single heat wave would measurably raise sea levels, at an estimated two one-hundredths of an inch, bake the Arctic and produce Sahara-like temperatures in Paris and Berlin, the prediction would have been dismissed as alarmist. But many worst-case scenarios from that time are now realities.

...
So far, the costs of underestimation have been enormous. New York City’s subway system did not flood in its first 108 years, but Hurricane Sandy’s 2012 storm surge caused nearly $5 billion in water damage, much of which is still not repaired. In 2017, Hurricane Harvey gave Houston and the surrounding region a $125 billion lesson about the costs of misjudging the potential for floods.

Opinion | Climate Change Will Cost Us Even More Than We Think - The New York Times
Economists greatly underestimate the price tag on harsher weather and higher seas. Why is that?

For some time now it has been clear that the effects of climate change are appearing faster than scientists anticipated. Now it turns out that there is another form of underestimation as bad or worse than the scientific one: the underestimating by economists of the costs.

...
One reason is obvious: Since climate scientists have been underestimating the rate of climate change and the severity of its effects, then economists will necessarily underestimate their costs.
One problem is lack of experience with similar conditions. Another problem is difficult-to-quantify variables, like biodiversity. Another is cascading effects.

The New York Times, you're quoting the NYT? That has as much credibility as Pravda!
 
The NSW bushfires are different. Climate change is the culprit
In the past I have heard some federal politicians dodge the question of the influence of climate change on extreme weather and fires by saying, "It's terrible that this matter is being raised while the fires are still burning." But if not now, then when?

"Unprecedented" is a word that we are hearing a lot: from fire chiefs, politicians, and the weather bureau. I have just returned from California where I spoke to fire chiefs still battling unseasonal fires. The same word, "unprecedented", came up.

Unprecedented dryness; reductions in long-term rainfall; low humidity; high temperatures; wind velocities; fire danger indices; fire spread and ferocity; instances of pyro-convective fires (fire storms – making their own weather); early starts and late finishes to bushfire seasons. An established long-term trend driven by a warming, drying climate. The numbers don’t lie, and the science is clear.
So Australia's getting it also.

New South Wales is in southeastern Australia.
 
RU sure. Last week we got some drizzle, a trace, here on the coast when authorities officially reported no rain, just fog, in the state. Difficult thing confirming no rain when not enough people or qualified people are available to report actual condition outcomes. Just sayin' ....

Jeez I'm beginning to read like Speakpigeon​.
 
Earth's Hottest Decade on Record Marked by Extreme Storms, Deadly Wildfires | InsideClimate News
Deadly heat waves, wildfires and widespread flooding punctuated a decade of climate extremes that, by many scientific accounts, show global warming kicking into overdrive.

As the year drew to a close, scientists were confidently saying 2019 was Earth's second-warmest recorded year on record, capping the warmest decade. Eight of the 10 warmest years since measurements began occurred this decade, and the other two were only a few years earlier.

Arctic sea ice melted faster and took longer to form again in the fall. Big swaths of ocean remained record-warm nearly all year, in some regions spawning horrifically damaging tropical storms that surprised experts with their rapid intensification. Densely populated parts of Europe shattered temperature records amid heat waves blamed for hundreds of deaths, and a huge section of the U.S. breadbasket region was swamped for months by floodwater.

And wildfires burned around the globe, starting unusually early in unexpected places like the UK. They blazed across country-size tracts of Siberia, fueled by record heat, flared up in the Arctic and devastated parts of California. Australia ended the decade with thick smoke and flames menacing Sydney and a record-breaking heat wave that sent the continent's average temperature over 107 degrees Fahrenheit. Again and again, scientists completed near real-time attribution studies showing how global warming is making extremes—including wildfires—more likely.
It'll be harder and harder to deny that we have been suffering from disastrous climate changes. At least if one is not paid to deny that.
 
Earth's Hottest Decade on Record Marked by Extreme Storms, Deadly Wildfires | InsideClimate News
Deadly heat waves, wildfires and widespread flooding punctuated a decade of climate extremes that, by many scientific accounts, show global warming kicking into overdrive.

As the year drew to a close, scientists were confidently saying 2019 was Earth's second-warmest recorded year on record, capping the warmest decade. Eight of the 10 warmest years since measurements began occurred this decade, and the other two were only a few years earlier.

Arctic sea ice melted faster and took longer to form again in the fall. Big swaths of ocean remained record-warm nearly all year, in some regions spawning horrifically damaging tropical storms that surprised experts with their rapid intensification. Densely populated parts of Europe shattered temperature records amid heat waves blamed for hundreds of deaths, and a huge section of the U.S. breadbasket region was swamped for months by floodwater.

And wildfires burned around the globe, starting unusually early in unexpected places like the UK. They blazed across country-size tracts of Siberia, fueled by record heat, flared up in the Arctic and devastated parts of California. Australia ended the decade with thick smoke and flames menacing Sydney and a record-breaking heat wave that sent the continent's average temperature over 107 degrees Fahrenheit. Again and again, scientists completed near real-time attribution studies showing how global warming is making extremes—including wildfires—more likely.
It'll be harder and harder to deny that we have been suffering from disastrous climate changes. At least if one is not paid to deny that.

And you must also be aware, or simply ignore the fact that many climate alarmists have and are making oodles of money out of what's become a " climate industry."
 
Earth's Hottest Decade on Record Marked by Extreme Storms, Deadly Wildfires | InsideClimate News
Deadly heat waves, wildfires and widespread flooding punctuated a decade of climate extremes that, by many scientific accounts, show global warming kicking into overdrive.

As the year drew to a close, scientists were confidently saying 2019 was Earth's second-warmest recorded year on record, capping the warmest decade. Eight of the 10 warmest years since measurements began occurred this decade, and the other two were only a few years earlier.

Arctic sea ice melted faster and took longer to form again in the fall. Big swaths of ocean remained record-warm nearly all year, in some regions spawning horrifically damaging tropical storms that surprised experts with their rapid intensification. Densely populated parts of Europe shattered temperature records amid heat waves blamed for hundreds of deaths, and a huge section of the U.S. breadbasket region was swamped for months by floodwater.

And wildfires burned around the globe, starting unusually early in unexpected places like the UK. They blazed across country-size tracts of Siberia, fueled by record heat, flared up in the Arctic and devastated parts of California. Australia ended the decade with thick smoke and flames menacing Sydney and a record-breaking heat wave that sent the continent's average temperature over 107 degrees Fahrenheit. Again and again, scientists completed near real-time attribution studies showing how global warming is making extremes—including wildfires—more likely.
It'll be harder and harder to deny that we have been suffering from disastrous climate changes. At least if one is not paid to deny that.

And you must also be aware, or simply ignore the fact that many climate alarmists have and are making oodles of money out of what's become a " climate industry."

Even if true that is irrelevant to what he's saying--we had the hottest decade on record. The warming hasn't stopped.
 
And you must also be aware, or simply ignore the fact that many climate alarmists have and are making oodles of money out of what's become a " climate industry."

Even if true that is irrelevant to what he's saying--we had the hottest decade on record. The warming hasn't stopped.

The mainstream and dare I say it, Leftist media are always ready for news selling fake alarmism like "Record temperatures broken by Climate Change." But ponder this for a second..................Last time it was this hot was in 1938. Did we have GW/CC/CD in 1938? If so, why wasn't anything done about it then?
 
And you must also be aware, or simply ignore the fact that many climate alarmists have and are making oodles of money out of what's become a " climate industry."

Even if true that is irrelevant to what he's saying--we had the hottest decade on record. The warming hasn't stopped.

The mainstream and dare I say it, Leftist media are always ready for news selling fake alarmism like "Record temperatures broken by Climate Change." But ponder this for a second..................Last time it was this hot was in 1938. Did we have GW/CC/CD in 1938? If so, why wasn't anything done about it then?
But that was a single unusually hot year. Recent years were all unusually hot. Statistics means something, angelo.
 
You can try and put up a fight about causation, but the fact the Earth is warming is inescapably obvious. Unless you are Tucker Carlson on FOX.
 
And you must also be aware, or simply ignore the fact that many climate alarmists have and are making oodles of money out of what's become a " climate industry."

Even if true that is irrelevant to what he's saying--we had the hottest decade on record. The warming hasn't stopped.

The mainstream and dare I say it, Leftist media are always ready for news selling fake alarmism like "Record temperatures broken by Climate Change." But ponder this for a second..................Last time it was this hot was in 1938. Did we have GW/CC/CD in 1938? If so, why wasn't anything done about it then?

It wasn't this hot in 1938. Perhaps in one city it was, but I'm talking about the whole world, not just a point on it.
 
The mainstream and dare I say it, Leftist media are always ready for news selling fake alarmism like "Record temperatures broken by Climate Change." But ponder this for a second..................Last time it was this hot was in 1938. Did we have GW/CC/CD in 1938? If so, why wasn't anything done about it then?

It wasn't this hot in 1938. Perhaps in one city it was, but I'm talking about the whole world, not just a point on it.
Arctic was warmer in 1940
"Temperatures in the Arctic and in Greenland were warmer by up to 3 Fahrenheit degrees in the late 1930s and early 1940s than they are at present" (Christopher Monckton)

Can you prove otherwise?
 
The mainstream and dare I say it, Leftist media are always ready for news selling fake alarmism like "Record temperatures broken by Climate Change." But ponder this for a second..................Last time it was this hot was in 1938. Did we have GW/CC/CD in 1938? If so, why wasn't anything done about it then?
But that was a single unusually hot year. Recent years were all unusually hot. Statistics means something, angelo.
Arguing with angelo on this is about as nonsensical in itself, as denial about the Earth warming. We are witnessing records over periods of a month or a year with temperatures.

Locally, in NE Ohio, will we have had 13 days that were more than 10 degrees warmer than average. During Xmas week, we had one day with a high below 50! We were 20 degrees above average for the week.

I was mulching leaves after Xmas. In 2004, leaves were picked up on Election Day.

*waits for angelo to swap to... 'it is warming but mankind is causing it' part of AGW denial argument cycle*
 
The mainstream and dare I say it, Leftist media are always ready for news selling fake alarmism like "Record temperatures broken by Climate Change." But ponder this for a second..................Last time it was this hot was in 1938. Did we have GW/CC/CD in 1938? If so, why wasn't anything done about it then?

It wasn't this hot in 1938. Perhaps in one city it was, but I'm talking about the whole world, not just a point on it.
Arctic was warmer in 1940
"Temperatures in the Arctic and in Greenland were warmer by up to 3 Fahrenheit degrees in the late 1930s and early 1940s than they are at present" (Christopher Monckton)

Can you prove otherwise?

Can either Christopher Monckton or you prove it's so? I wouldn't trust the word of either on this topic as far as I could throw a brick chimney by its smoke.
 
Arctic was warmer in 1940
"Temperatures in the Arctic and in Greenland were warmer by up to 3 Fahrenheit degrees in the late 1930s and early 1940s than they are at present" (Christopher Monckton)

Can you prove otherwise?

Can either Christopher Monckton or you prove it's so? I wouldn't trust the word of either on this topic as far as I could throw a brick chimney by its smoke.
Temperature in Greenland isn't quite as important as the GLOBAL average is higher! Someone can't say that it was warmer before in one part of the globe therefore *facepalm*, when the average temperature of the globe continues to rise.
 
The ignorant conservatives do not know the defense between local weather and global climate republican from congress walked up to the podium wih a snowball in his hand during a big snow storm and said how can there be global warming.

The main indicator is ocean water temperatures which are rising globally with consequences. It may seem trivial to tye ignorant, coral are dyeing off from rising temperature. Coral provides habitat for marine life at the bottom of the food chain. Up the food chain are salmon, haddock, and the rest of the commercial fishing we eat.

Cold waters sinking at the poles drives major ocean currents, like the one passing by Europe. If the current stalls it will affect European climate and fishing. The current churns nutrients in the water.
 
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