The Jesus Cult Of Pain

[steve_bank]

A bloody Jesus on a cross in agony wearing a crown of thorns represents a cut of pain and suffering.

There was a large such a crucifix hanging over the alter in the church I went to as a kid.

Around the church were the ;stains of the cross'. A priest in full regalia with a scepter followed by alter boys in uniform and us kids would walk the stations. Incantatins.

Even now after all the debates Christianity seems even more bizzare.

The RCC Opus Dei promotes mortification. Soe wear braceets on the thigh that cauase discomfort.

Opus Dei and Corporal Mortification

The Da Vinci Code has drawn attention to the Catholic custom of corporal mortification. Rev. Michael Barrett, a priest of Opus Dei, answers questions.

opusdei.org

Penance and mortification are a small but essential part of the Christian life. Jesus Christ himself fasted for forty days to prepare for his public ministry. Mortification helps us resist our natural drive toward personal comfort which so often prevents us from answering the Christian call to love God and serve others for love of God. Also, this voluntarily accepted discomfort is a way of joining oneself to Jesus Christ and the sufferings he voluntarily accepted in order to redeem us from sin. The Da Vinci Code's masochist monk, who loves pain for its own sake, has nothing to do with real Christian mortification.

Circe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Circe (/ˈsɜːrsiː/; Ancient Greek: Κίρκη : Kírkē, pronounced [kírkɛː]) is an enchantress and a minor goddess in ancient Greek mythology and religion.[1] In most accounts, Circe is described as the daughter of the sun god Helios and the Oceanid nymph Perse. Circe was renowned for her vast knowledge of potions and herbs. Through the use of these and a magic wand or staff, she would transform her enemies, or those who offended her, into animals.

The best known of her legends is told in Homer's Odyssey when Odysseus visits her island of Aeaea on the way back from the Trojan War and she changes most of his crew into swine. He manages to persuade her to return them to human shape, lives with her for a year and has sons by her, including Latinus and Telegonus. Her ability to change others into animals is further highlighted by the story of Picus, an Italian king whom she turns into a woodpecker for resisting her advances. Another story tells of her falling in love with the sea-god Glaucus, who prefers the nymph Scylla to her. In revenge, Circe poisoned the water where her rival bathed and turned her into a dreadful monster.

Depictions, even in Classical times, diverged from the detail in Homer's narrative, which was later to be reinterpreted morally as a cautionary story against drunkenness. Early philosophical questions were also raised about whether the change from being a human endowed with reason to being an unreasoning beast might not be preferable after all, and the resulting debate was to have a powerful impact during the Renaissance. Circe was also taken as the archetype of the predatory female. In the eyes of those from a later age, this behaviour made her notorious both as a magician and as a type of sexually free woman. She has been frequently depicted as such in all the arts from the Renaissance down to modern times.

Western paintings established a visual iconography for the figure, but also went for inspiration to other stories concerning Circe that appear in Ovid's Metamorphoses. The episodes of Scylla and Picus added the vice of violent jealousy to her bad qualities and made her a figure of fear as well as of desire.

Modern cilice. The Christian pain fetish. Buy now, great as Christmas presents.

Cilice – Buy Cilice

Where to buy a Cilice

I have been looking for a Cilice for a long time, and a part of my personal discipline. If anyone has any idea where I might be able to get one.. Please let me know...

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Where to buy a Cilice

I have been looking for a Cilice for a long time, and a part of my personal discipline. If anyone has any idea where I might be able to get one.. Please let me know...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/19/asia/philippines-crucifixion-practice-33rd-year-trnd/index.html

Since the 1980s, Ruben Enaje, 58, has portrayed Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and death on Good Friday in front of crowds of locals and tourists in a village north of Manila.

During these realistic crucifixions actors drive four-inch nails into both his hands and feet and lift him on a wooden cross for around five minutes. Enaje, who is Catholic, said he continues the tradition to remind the world about the plight of Jesus Christ, but he added he has decided to stop participating in the crucifixions after next year.

 

[unapologetic]

Xanity is a 'Death Cult'.
Not just for J on the cross. but also for the 'afterlife' and the 'rapture' BS.
In some countrys a 'Day of the Dead' is promoted by the church/cult.

 

[Politesse]

Do you feel that Christianity has a unique obsession with pain? It seems to me that any religious or philosophical tradition must deal with pain in some way; pain and death are, very obviously, facets of the human experience that we must on some level contextualize within our broader cosmological views.

 

[steve_bank]

Do you feel that Christianity has a unique obsession with pain? It seems to me that any religious or philosophical tradition must deal with pain in some way; pain and death are, very obviously, facets of the human experience that we must on some level contextualize within our broader cosmological views.

As an organized religion, yes it is unique.

Anyone who has been around around Christianity would have heard 'the blood'. Not just the words but the tone and context.

It may have been Augustine who set Christianity on the pain/penance trip. Pain compensates for sin.

Augustine, a Pagan I believe turned Cristian, advocated mortification. One of his alleged sayings was down on his knees 'Lord give me chastity, but not yet!'. The conflict between the spiritual and the flesh.

Material corruption vs spiritual goodness. Not uniquely Christian but the dichotomy is a foundation of Christianity.

Paul wrote you can't be both in the spirit and in the flesh. He advocated celibacy.

 

[unapologetic]

Well, I heard Mother Fuc Teresa deigned pain killers for her victims patients so they could share the pain of J.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Wikipedia has an article on self-flagellation, which has been an element in Christianities for untold centuries -- especially in monasteries and convents. The article says that the practice has "abated" (without a time reference), perhaps indicating that it is impossible to get reliable data on such a 'sensational' practice, which those who self-flagellate may not wish to discuss. I'm sure the faithful don't want to be compared to a garden-variety dominatrix.

 

[Lion IRC]

A bloody Jesus on a cross in agony wearing a crown of thorns represents a [cult] of pain and suffering...

Yep.
Christ Crucified is at the center of our religion. Well spotted.

 

[No Robots]

I went to an Opus Dei session once. I gotta admit I sorta dig it: men only, on our knees on a hard floor. Suffering is the price of joy.

eta: I try to make my daily workout into a spiritual exercise.

 

[Tharmas]

We visited Quito, Ecuador, at Easter a few years back. Their big celebration occurs on Good Friday, when there is a procession of penitents doing penance for sins of the previous year. There are hundreds of penitents, mostly wearing purple robes with hoods that made me think. of gay Klansmen:


Others dressed in costume and carried heavy crosses or other objects, or flagellated themselves with nettles.



This fellow dressed himself in barbed wire for the trek.





I don’t remember how far they had to walk, but it was quite a distance through the older part of the. city. There were children, quite young, in the procession, often carrying objects.

 

[Elixir]

This fellow dressed himself in barbed wire for the trek.

It looks like twisted fence wire, not barbed wire. There would be much blood if it was the kind of wire we use here out west.

 

[TomC]

I went to an Opus Dei session once. I gotta admit I sorta dig it: men only, on our knees on a hard floor. Suffering is the price of joy.

See if you can reread that from my perspective.

Maybe then you'll get an inkling of why I find your religious beliefs so psychologically unhealthy they're quite dangerous. They're designed to create psychopaths, and they commonly succeed.
Tom

 

[No Robots]

^How about the Blackfoot sundance? All healthy cultures feature rituals of symbolic suffering.

 

[TomC]

^How about the Blackfoot sundance? All healthy cultures feature rituals of symbolic suffering.

What about it?
Primitive people have primitive ways.

I've been to a couple of Sundances. Pretty gross if you ask me. I have friends who were proud of the scars on their chests. I thought it weird, but they were competent adults making choices for themselves.

Quite different from the Christians who are determined to force everyone else to obey their God and authority.
Tom

 

[No Robots]

^How about the Blackfoot sundance? All healthy cultures feature rituals of symbolic suffering.

What about it?
Primitive people have primitive ways.

I've been to a couple of Sundances. Pretty gross if you ask me. I have friends who were proud of the scars on their chests. I thought it weird, but they were competent adults making choices for themselves.

Quite different from the Christians who are determined to force everyone else to obey their God and authority.
Tom

Primitive.

Oh, what a giveaway. Did you here that, did you here that, eh? That’s what I’m on about — did you see him repressing me, you saw it didn’t you?

https://realityraiders.com/fringewa...ty-python-holy-grail-constitutional-peasants/

 

[TomC]

Primitive.

Oh, what a giveaway.

Yeah I get it. You are fine with primitive sacrifice. "Pain is Joy".

Yeah, I don't think so. Sorry, but the more you talk about your beliefs the more I draw conclusions about them.
Tom

 

[ideologyhunter]

Twenty years ago Mel Gibson found that there was still a market for the s&m side of Christianity. I don't know where he got the detail that Jesus was scourged with whips tipped with hooks, that tore chunks of flesh loose that would fit on shish kebab skewers. His set designer poured ludicrous amounts of stage blood around the scourging post -- it looked like a herd of beeves had been butchered. Anyone who lost that much blood wouldn't be hauling a cross around town -- he wouldn't be walking, period. Utterly strange to see so much gory detail in a 'holy' story. But it impressed the hell out of his core audience. There were news reports of people weeping and making loud evangelical statements as the film rolled. (In a town near me, there was a guy who attended Passion dressed as Satan, and a decent Christian dumped a Big Gulp of pop on his head.)

 

[TomC]

Utterly strange to see so much gory detail in a 'holy' story. But it impressed the hell out of his core audience.

Looked way more like gay S&M porn to me.

Especially the end. That Jesus dude had a fine ass.

At least the one chosen to play him in the movie did.
Tom

 

[unapologetic]

All healthy cultures feature rituals of symbolic suffering.

I consider that the definition of UNHEALTHY.
Just another example of how back assward christianity is.
Like; being a sheep is considered a good thing. Pleasure is sinful. Worshiping a god that has Munchousen's Syndrome.
Your god is evil and you love him for it, like an abused wife.

 

[Politesse]

^How about the Blackfoot sundance? All healthy cultures feature rituals of symbolic suffering.

What about it?
Primitive people have primitive ways.

I've been to a couple of Sundances. Pretty gross if you ask me. I have friends who were proud of the scars on their chests. I thought it weird, but they were competent adults making choices for themselves.

Quite different from the Christians who are determined to force everyone else to obey their God and authority.
Tom

You know what I find "primitive"? Bigotry toward other cultures.

 

[unapologetic]

You know what I find "primitive"? Bigotry toward other cultures.

christianity and is-lame ARE primitive cultures.
I don't know anything about the Blackfoot sundance. But if it is a pain ritual as described here, then IT IS primitive.