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[Nice Squirrel]

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What has the world come to?

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Many Subways and KFCs in UK where Muslims are a large minority like Bristol have been switching to being all halal.

First they came for the fried chicken...

 

[Derec]

First they came for the fried chicken...

And what's the difference between Kim Davis refusing to do her job for religious reasons and Muslim drivers refusing to do their jobs for religious reasons? The difference is that the Obama administration supports only one of them.
Feds Protect Muslims Fired for Not Doing Their Jobs

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Do you have something against restaurants voluntarily meeting the needs of their customers?

 

[RavenSky]

Many Subways and KFCs in UK where Muslims are a large minority like Bristol have been switching to being all halal. That is in effect forcing all their customers, majority of whom are not Muslim, to conform to their dietary restrictions and religious rituals (all halal meat is in effect a religious sacrifice to Allah)..

Derec, are you suggesting that small business owners are not allowed to served whatever they think will earn them the highest profit in their own store?

Are you suggesting that you should be able to walk into any random restaurant in your town and demand to be served something not on their menu?

No matter what you may think, this *example* does not support your claim

 

[Derec]

Do you have something against restaurants voluntarily meeting the needs of their customers?

They are submitting to demands of a radical minority that forces all their customers to eat meat sacrificed to Allah.

 

[Derec]

Derec, are you suggesting that small business owners are not allowed to served whatever they think will earn them the highest profit in their own store?

You say potatho, I say they are submitting (true meaning of the word "Islam") to the demands of a radical minority. And if they can do this when their numbers are still relatively low, what will happen when they are 10, 20, 30% of population of various European countries?

Are you suggesting that you should be able to walk into any random restaurant in your town and demand to be served something not on their menu?

No. But this is the case of certain foods being removed from their menus because of demands by Muslims that they not be offended by meats not sacrificed to Allah.

No matter what you may think, this *example* does not support your claim

Yes, it does. Your ideological blinders prevent you from seeing it.

 

[RavenSky]

Do you have something against restaurants voluntarily meeting the needs of their customers?

They are submitting to demands of a radical minority that forces all their customers to eat meat sacrificed to Allah.

How do you know? Have you interviewed the owners of these businesses, or are you attempting to mind-read again?

 

[ZiprHead]

What is Halal Meat?

Halal is an Arabic word that means "permissible." In terms of food, it means food that is permissible according to Islamic law. For a meat to be certified "halal," it cannot be a forbidden cut (such as meat from hindquarters) or animal (such as pork.)

The slaughter of a halal animal is called "zabihah" and there are certain guidelines to follow:
•Allah's (God's) name must be pronounced during slaughter.
•The instrument must be very sharp to ensure humane slaughter. The animal must be slit at the throat.
•The animal must not be unconscious
•The animal must be hung upside down and allowed to bleed dry. Eating blood is not halal.
•These steps must be accomplished by a Muslim or the People of the Book (Christian or Jew.) Many observant Muslims find kosher meat acceptable.
•The animal must have been fed a natural diet that did not contain animal by-products.

http://www.thekitchn.com/good-question-what-is-halal-me-60979

 

[RavenSky]

You say potatho, I say they are submitting (true meaning of the word "Islam") to the demands of a radical minority.

yes, dear, we know you SAY it. Unfortunately, that doesn't make it true.

Are you suggesting that you should be able to walk into any random restaurant in your town and demand to be served something not on their menu?

No. But this is the case of certain foods being removed from their menus because of demands by Muslims that they not be offended by meats not sacrificed to Allah.

Or because they prefer an increase in profits. You don't know their reasons. Their shop, their menu, their choice.

No matter what you may think, this *example* does not support your claim

Yes, it does. Your ideological blinders prevent you from seeing it.

Looking in the mirror again Derec?

 

[Derec]

How do you know? Have you interviewed the owners of these businesses, or are you attempting to mind-read again?

By removing all non-halal meats from their stores (rather than offering them alongside regular meat) they are in effect forcing halal onto all their customers, only minority of which are Muslims.

 

[Derec]

Or because they prefer an increase in profits. You don't know their reasons. Their shop, their menu, their choice?

British people should grow a pair of bollocks and boycott all companies who pander to Islamic radicals by going halal only.
Unfortunately too many Brits have been indoctrinated in the same sort of political correctness you exhibit to even complain about being forced to eat halal only foods.

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What is Halal Meat?

Halal is an Arabic word that means "permissible." In terms of food, it means food that is permissible according to Islamic law. For a meat to be certified "halal," it cannot be a forbidden cut (such as meat from hindquarters) or animal (such as pork.)

The slaughter of a halal animal is called "zabihah" and there are certain guidelines to follow:
•Allah's (God's) name must be pronounced during slaughter.
•The instrument must be very sharp to ensure humane slaughter. The animal must be slit at the throat.
•The animal must not be unconscious
•The animal must be hung upside down and allowed to bleed dry. Eating blood is not halal.
•These steps must be accomplished by a Muslim or the People of the Book (Christian or Jew.) Many observant Muslims find kosher meat acceptable.
•The animal must have been fed a natural diet that did not contain animal by-products.

http://www.thekitchn.com/good-question-what-is-halal-me-60979

That makes the halal meats a religious sacrifice to Allah.

 

[RavenSky]

How do you know? Have you interviewed the owners of these businesses, or are you attempting to mind-read again?

By removing all non-halal meats from their stores (rather than offering them alongside regular meat) they are in effect forcing halal onto all their customers, only minority of which are Muslims.

Again, it is their store, their menu, their choice. No religion or government entity forced them to change their menu.

 

[RavenSky]

British people should grow a pair of bollocks and boycott all companies who pander to Islamic radicals by going halal only.
Unfortunately too many Brits have been indoctrinated in the same sort of political correctness you exhibit to even complain about being forced to eat halal only foods.

Oh good grief, Derec... "forced to eat halal only foods"... seriously? People in the UK are being dragged to the couple of locations of Subway that is serving a halal menu, and they are being forced to eat it? How? By feeding tube, perhaps? Locked in the supply closet until they are starving and have to eat a sub sandwich to live?

Do you hear how hysterical you sound? Do you get this upset over deli's that choose to keep kosher?

 

[Derec]

Again, it is their store, their menu, their choice. No religion or government entity forced them to change their menu.

It may be their choice but they did it to appease followers of a particular religion.

 

[RavenSky]

Again, it is their store, their menu, their choice. No religion or government entity forced them to change their menu.

It may be their choice but they did it to appease followers of a particular religion.

Again, did you interview the store owners, or are you attempting to mind-read again? Every shop owner attempts to "appease" their customer base by providing the products their customer base will buy. This is how commerce works.

 

[laughing dog]

Many Subways and KFCs in UK where Muslims are a large minority like Bristol have been switching to being all halal. That is in effect forcing all their customers, majority of whom are not Muslim, to conform to their dietary restrictions and religious rituals (all halal meat is in effect a religious sacrifice to Allah).

Wow.

Halal meat is simply slaughtered differently than regular meat. You wouldn't know you are eating halal meat unless someone told you. Those Subways still offer pork, etc.... So, you really need to explain how any customer is being actually harmed.

In addition, if a Subway store owner thinks offering halal meat is good way to attract customers, that is capitalism at work. Apparently you hate capitalism.

 

[Derec]

Do you get this upset over deli's that choose to keep kosher?

No. But Jews are not forcing non-kosher restaurants to offer only kosher meats.

Big difference between a middle eastern restaurant being halal only and Muslims, who are only a minority in these cities, forcing a mainstream restaurant like Subway or KFC to convert to halal-only.

It would be like the Catholic Church demanding that Subway or KFC not serve any non-fish meat during Lent. Except that giving special privileges to the Catholics is not PC, but giving special privileges to Islam is.

 

[Derec]

Halal meat is simply slaughtered differently than regular meat. You wouldn't know you are eating halal meat unless someone told you.

Yes, animals have to be bled to death. And also a blessing to Allah must be said.
But that is not all, as pork is not allowed under halal. If an establishment goes halal only they can no longer serve pork. That proves that this is not simply about giving options to Muslims, but about removing options from everybody else. Muslim idea of tolerance is that everybody around them should follow their dietary restrictions lest they be offended.

Those Subways still offer pork, etc....

No they don't. It's halal only. Not halal in addition to regular, which would be fine. That is my whole point - that Muslims do not merely want their preferred options added. No, they want their preferred option to be the only one available.

So, you really need to explain how any customer is being actually harmed.

How is a Muslim harmed by eating non-halal food?

In addition, if a Subway store owner thinks offering halal meat is good way to attract customers, that is capitalism at work. Apparently you hate capitalism.

Offering halal food is different than not offering anything other than halal food. And his right to do it is not in question here. It is that Muslims are so intolerant that they demand mainstream restaurants must follow their own religious dietary laws and that the UK society is apparently so browbeaten by political correctness that they appease their every demand.
Now in the UK you are not even supposed to eat any pork at work lest you offend Muslims.

 

[RavenSky]

Do you get this upset over deli's that choose to keep kosher?

No. But Jews are not forcing non-kosher restaurants to offer only kosher meats.

Big difference between a middle eastern restaurant being halal only and Muslims, who are only a minority in these cities, forcing a mainstream restaurant like Subway or KFC to convert to halal-only.

It would be like the Catholic Church demanding that Subway or KFC not serve any non-fish meat during Lent. Except that giving special privileges to the Catholics is not PC, but giving special privileges to Islam is.

You do realize that it is not ALL Subway or KFC restaurants, right? The Subway downstairs still serves ham.

These "mainstream" restaurants are independently owned franchises, and their menus do vary depending on location and owner preference. Ever their prices can be different for the same items.

For instance, did you know that Burger Kings in Israel were kosher? (BK is no longer in Israel, but just THINK of all of the non-Jewish people in Israel that were FORCED to eat kosher burgers while they were there). In Canada, they serve poutine gravy and vinegar with their fries, and peri-peri sauce in the UK. In markets with high Asian populations, BK uses dark meat chicken instead of the white meat prefered by other markets.

Are you screaming about Jews and Asians yet? Maybe screaming at Tom or Bilby for "forcing" BK to alter their standard menu to suit regional tastes?

 

[laughing dog]

No they don't. It's halal only. Not halal in addition to regular, which would be fine. That is my whole point - that Muslims do not merely want their preferred options added. No, they want their preferred option to be the only one available.

No, Muslim made these stores to go halal only.

How is a Muslim harmed by eating non-halal food?

Muslims eat non-halal food all the time - vegetables, etc.... But just like religious Jews are harmed by eating non-kosher food, so are devout Muslims who eat non-halal meat.

Offering halal food is different than not offering anything other than halal food. And his right to do it is not in question here. It is that Muslims are so intolerant that they demand mainstream restaurants must follow their own religious dietary laws and that the UK society is apparently so browbeaten by political correctness that they appease their every demand.

More hysteria. No one forced any those stores to do anything.

Now in the UK you are not even supposed to eat any pork at work lest you offend Muslims.

Some professor makes a suggestion and you exaggerate it exponentially. Do you realize you sound more like some hysterical goose-stepping bigot than some rational person?