The Looming Threat of European Terror Babies.

[bilby]

I think you have to be more specific than that. The Wikipedia page on Filet O'Fish doesn't say anything except that it's popular with people with dietary restrictions, and there is a non-sourced claim that it's not kosher due to being prepared in a non-kosher kitchen. In case of Subway halal restaurants, all non-Halal meats are removed, which doesn't seem to be the case with McDonald's.

Ray Kroc was frustrated with dismal sales in Catholic neighborhoods on Friday nights and during Lent. He tried all sorts of advertising to get the Catholics to eat at McDonalds and give up fish on Fridays. It was only when one owner introduced a fish sandwich (caving to Catholics) did sales improve. It was about the same time Catholic terrorism in Britain spiked.

So Cromwell, three centuries of British colonial abuse, the UDF, UVF, Sinn Fein and the IRA were all blameless, and Britain should have sent the Black and Tans and the British army to occupy McDonalds instead of Dublin, Cork, Belfast and Derry.

It all makes total sense now. No wonder the troubles dragged on for so long.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Ray Kroc was frustrated with dismal sales in Catholic neighborhoods on Friday nights and during Lent. He tried all sorts of advertising to get the Catholics to eat at McDonalds and give up fish on Fridays. It was only when one owner introduced a fish sandwich (caving to Catholics) did sales improve. It was about the same time Catholic terrorism in Britain spiked.

So Cromwell, three centuries of British colonial abuse, the UDF, UVF, Sinn Fein and the IRA were all blameless, and Britain should have sent the Black and Tans and the British army to occupy McDonalds instead of Dublin, Cork, Belfast and Derry.

It all makes total sense now. No wonder the troubles dragged on for so long.

Correct on all accounts!

 

[Derec]

Ray Kroc was frustrated with dismal sales in Catholic neighborhoods on Friday nights and during Lent. He tried all sorts of advertising to get the Catholics to eat at McDonalds and give up fish on Fridays. It was only when one owner introduced a fish sandwich (caving to Catholics) did sales improve.

So McD did the exact opposite to what Subway did. McD increased their menu selection, Subway reduced it.
Nobody is complaining about a restaurant introducing menu items to better cater to their customers. What I find objectionable is Subway caving to Muslim demands that nothing but halal meat be served because it offends them.

It was about the same time Catholic terrorism in Britain spiked.

Well nobody wants to wage terrorism on an empty stomach.

P.S.: The wiki page on Ray Kroc does not find that story significant enough to include. Where did you get it from?

 

[Derec]

You do realize, I hope, that as their Allah is a fictional character, the consumption of meat sacrificed to him is indistinguishable in its effects on the consumer from the consumption of meat not so prepared?

Yes, Allah is a fictional character but I do want to participate in religious rituals in his honor any more than I would want my children (if I had any) to be baptized. Sure, it's just a bit of water and the kid won't remember it anyway, but it should still be my choice.
Also, halal butcheries benefit financially from restaurants switching to halal only as do the imams who have to bless the meat.

That Halal food is completely harmless to non-Muslims, just as non-Halal food is harmless to Muslims - because the basis of the Halal rules is a work of fiction?

Not to forget - no ham and bacon. So the harm is more tangible than that of baptism.

Or do you imagine that if you were required to eat food prepared by Jedi knights you would risk having your planet incinerated by an Imperial Death Star?

If I did not want to subsidize the Order of Jedi Knights that would be a real issue.
If the Jedi Knights had a religious objection to gluten or dairy that would result in inferior sandwiches if Subway was pressured into having all food prepared by Jedi Knight religious standards.

Perhaps you are horrified at the rise in sales of Organic produce, which is a similarly pointless, belief based, dietary regime, with no real world impact on the consumer? Could you perhaps direct me to your thread in which you express your disgust at not being able to buy GM produce at WholeFoods, who are thereby FORCING their customers to eat food that conforms with their belief system?

Or do you just choose to shop elsewhere, and let the idiots who demand Halal or Organic or Kosher food exercise their freedom to do so?

That is part of Whole Foods brand. Nobody pressured them to do it. Compare to a Moroccan restaurant. I would expect that to be halal. Not Subway.

 

[Derec]

Then go eat somewhere else if you want pork.

Well I wouldn't want to eat at a halal only Subway.

Franchise owner might be an observant Muslim. In which case he isn't caving to a minority. He is then a minority and he's figuring that he can make a good lick selling to a particular market.

This is not a decision of some observant franchisee. It's a corporate decision. The main subway.co.uk site even has a "halal" filter prominently placed.

Even if the franchise owner isn't Muslim, his catering to the tastes of the neighborhood hardly foretells looming sharia doom.

It is one thing to offer something as an option, quite another to remove all other options because a minority is offended.

 

[Jayjay]

In the neighbourhoods with Halal subways, it is very well possible that muslims are a majority.

 

[Derec]

So you have added foretelling the future along with mind-reading. I expect your accuracy rate will be on par with all the other fortune-tellers

It's not fortune telling. It's what happens when Muslims start taking over areas

How does a random photo answer my question? Do you, or do you not, have any evidence that any of the owners of the Subway shops with revised menus were threatened with bombs?

Not a random photo, but a photo of a terrorist attack on London. I don't think the shops were specifically threatened but Islamic terrorism terrorizes the whole society and leads some people to want to appease.

You have failed utterly failed to show how these Subways (how many are there?)

About 200 or so.

are in any way different from the UK BK serving peri-peri sauce because their customer base wants it.

The parallel is not quite there. It would be like if a bunch of Europeans moved to a country in Africa where peri-peri sauce is common and demanded restaurants remove it from the menu because they find it offensive of religious grounds. How receptive would Africans be to such demands? No more than English should have been receptive to Muslim demands to go "halal only".

 

[Derec]

In the neighbourhoods with Halal subways, it is very well possible that muslims are a majority.

According to subway.co.uk Bristol for example has 3 halal only Subways and only 5% of the population are Muslims. It could be that they have three majority Muslim neighborhoods right around those Subways but I doubt it.

 

[RavenSky]

It's not fortune telling. It's what happens when Muslims start taking over areas

show your evidence

How does a random photo answer my question? Do you, or do you not, have any evidence that any of the owners of the Subway shops with revised menus were threatened with bombs?

I don't think the shops were specifically threatened

so you have no evidence

You have failed utterly failed to show how these Subways (how many are there?)

About 200 or so.

185 in the UK and Ireland, out of 1,700. Go to a different Subway for your pork, for fuck's sake.

And contrary to your hair-on-fire claims, all of the Subways in the UK and Ireland are independently owned and operated, which means that it is not only possible, but likely that the halal Subways are owned/managed by Muslims.

 

[Derec]

show your evidence

Look at history of non-Islamic areas when they became subservient to Islam.

so you have no evidence

That UK society is terrorized by Islamic violence?

185 in the UK and Ireland, out of 1,700. Go to a different Subway for your pork, for fuck's sake.

Actually 202 according to their website. That's more than 10% of all stores!

And contrary to your hair-on-fire claims, all of the Subways in the UK and Ireland are independently owned and operated, which means that it is not only possible, but likely that the halal Subways are owned/managed by Muslims.

Again, the "halal only" bullshit is organized by corporate. See the main website.

 

[RavenSky]

Look at history of non-Islamic areas when they became subservient to Islam.

so you have no evidence

so you have no evidence

That UK society is terrorized by Islamic violence?

No evidence in answer to my question: "Do you, or do you not, have any evidence that any of the owners of the Subway shops with revised menus were threatened with bombs?"

185 in the UK and Ireland, out of 1,700. Go to a different Subway for your pork, for fuck's sake.

Actually 202 according to their website. That's more than 10% of all stores!

OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and there are 2,000 total stores, so an even smaller percentage than there was before. I notice you left out that part.

And contrary to your hair-on-fire claims, all of the Subways in the UK and Ireland are independently owned and operated, which means that it is not only possible, but likely that the halal Subways are owned/managed by Muslims.

Again, the "halal only" bullshit is organized by corporate. See the main website.

So what. That does not change the fact that all of the stores in the UK and Ireland are independently owned and operated, contrary to your claim that they were corporate decisions. All it shows is that corporate is supporting their franchises... like they are supposed to do.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Ray Kroc was frustrated with dismal sales in Catholic neighborhoods on Friday nights and during Lent. He tried all sorts of advertising to get the Catholics to eat at McDonalds and give up fish on Fridays. It was only when one owner introduced a fish sandwich (caving to Catholics) did sales improve. It was about the same time Catholic terrorism in Britain spiked.

So Cromwell, three centuries of British colonial abuse, the UDF, UVF, Sinn Fein and the IRA were all blameless, and Britain should have sent the Black and Tans and the British army to occupy McDonalds instead of Dublin, Cork, Belfast and Derry.

It all makes total sense now. No wonder the troubles dragged on for so long.

That's correct but I my squaddie friends prefer the McDonald meals to the fish. It beats army rations. However the Black and Tans still cause controversy for the way they raped the livestock and stamped the women.

 

[Bomb#20]

It is one thing to offer something as an option, quite another to remove all other options because a minority is offended.

What are you talking about? Offering something as an option is the same thing as removing all other options because a minority is offended. We have it on Nice Squirrel's authority.

You do know the story of McDonald's Filet O'Fish?

Because it is VERY relevant to this conversation.

Which part of the story is very relevant? The part where McDonald's refused to sell people Big Macs on Fridays?

Nope. Same thing that Subway has done.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

When I was 16 there was a KFC that didn't sell extra crispy. They sold a different product in Black neighborhoods. I was so oppressed. A few years later the LA riots broke out and OJ Simpson was on trial.

 

[ZiprHead]

It all makes sense now. No extra crispy and the world falls apart.

 

[Underseer]

Just so I get this right. We are assuming that babies born of peoples where terrorism took place are gong to be terrorists? (laughter)

If by "we," you mean the millions of American Republicans who have voted for either Trump or Cruz in the primaries, then yes. Their arguments certainly indicate that their followers believe this is a significant problem.