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The Marjorie Taylor Greene case

 
 
 
Fixed my Times subscription, so I'm sharing the article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/28/...e_code=1.pU8.oKw0.SqOjRabzAIvP&smid=url-share

Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, the right-wing Republican from Georgia, did not appreciate being threatened by the White House over her backing for a bill ordering the release of the Epstein files.

So after a Trump official put out word that doing so would be viewed as a “very hostile act,” she called a top West Wing aide to push back.

“I told them, ‘You didn’t get me elected. I do not work for you; I work for my district,’” she recounted recently during a wide-ranging interview in her office on Capitol Hill. “We aren’t supposed to just be whipped on our votes because they’re telling us what to do with this scary threat, or saying ‘We’ll primary you,’ or that we won’t get invited to the White House events.”

“Me personally? I don’t care,” Ms. Greene went on. These days, when she encounters tactics like that from Mr. Trump’s team, she added, “I’m like, ‘[Expletive] you.’”
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She is now operating as a powerful free agent with considerable self-regard and a big chip on her shoulder. She appears to feel no obligation to anyone in Washington — certainly not to Speaker Mike Johnson, whom she tried to oust last year for allowing a vote on continued U.S. aid to Ukraine, and increasingly not even to Mr. Trump.

On a variety of topics including the release of documents related to the case against the sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, the war in Gaza, artificial intelligence and America’s involvement in Iran and Ukraine, Ms. Greene has broken sharply with the man she still calls “my favorite president.”
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But recently Ms. Greene has been willing to point out when Mr. Trump has strayed from the MAGA messages and positions that got him — and her — elected, leading to high-profile breaks with a president to whom she has displayed loyalty that has not always been returned.

“I didn’t get elected with a President Trump endorsement,” she said, noting that she had won her 2020 primary “on my own.” Mr. Trump eventually endorsed her in the general election, but by that time, Ms. Greene was already coasting to victory.

“It felt really bad at the time, but honestly it’s been the best thing for me,” she said. “I get to be very independent.”
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Of course, she has a long way to go, but I never thought I would have some respect for MTG. Hoping more Republicans will grow some courage and not always go along with their idiot ruler. There is a lot more in the article if anyone has the time or interest in reading it.
 
southernhybrid said:
Fixed my Times subscription, so I'm sharing the article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/28/...e_code=1.pU8.oKw0.SqOjRabzAIvP&smid=url-share

Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, the right-wing Republican from Georgia, did not appreciate being threatened by the White House over her backing for a bill ordering the release of the Epstein files.

So after a Trump official put out word that doing so would be viewed as a “very hostile act,” she called a top West Wing aide to push back.

“I told them, ‘You didn’t get me elected. I do not work for you; I work for my district,’” she recounted recently during a wide-ranging interview in her office on Capitol Hill. “We aren’t supposed to just be whipped on our votes because they’re telling us what to do with this scary threat, or saying ‘We’ll primary you,’ or that we won’t get invited to the White House events.”

“Me personally? I don’t care,” Ms. Greene went on. These days, when she encounters tactics like that from Mr. Trump’s team, she added, “I’m like, ‘[Expletive] you.’”
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She is now operating as a powerful free agent with considerable self-regard and a big chip on her shoulder. She appears to feel no obligation to anyone in Washington — certainly not to Speaker Mike Johnson, whom she tried to oust last year for allowing a vote on continued U.S. aid to Ukraine, and increasingly not even to Mr. Trump.

On a variety of topics including the release of documents related to the case against the sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, the war in Gaza, artificial intelligence and America’s involvement in Iran and Ukraine, Ms. Greene has broken sharply with the man she still calls “my favorite president.”
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But recently Ms. Greene has been willing to point out when Mr. Trump has strayed from the MAGA messages and positions that got him — and her — elected, leading to high-profile breaks with a president to whom she has displayed loyalty that has not always been returned.

“I didn’t get elected with a President Trump endorsement,” she said, noting that she had won her 2020 primary “on my own.” Mr. Trump eventually endorsed her in the general election, but by that time, Ms. Greene was already coasting to victory.

“It felt really bad at the time, but honestly it’s been the best thing for me,” she said. “I get to be very independent.”
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Of course, she has a long way to go, but I never thought I would have some respect for MTG. Hoping more Republicans will grow some courage and not always go along with their idiot ruler. There is a lot more in the article if anyone has the time or interest in reading it.
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Just a “duh!” moment for her, realizing that she can’t endanger Trump, so she might as well pander to stay firmly in office.
 
I still feel there is some chance that even MTG is waking up. She is now pushing to end the shutdown by doing what the Democrats want. In other words, she thinks the ACA subsidies should remain because ending the subsidies will hurt her constituents as well as some of her family members. People sometimes do change as they get older and acquire wisdom. I'm not ready to believe that she is wise, but she's starting to make sense in some areas.
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...and-tells-gop-to-end-the-shutdown/ar-AA1NOQYr

One-time MAGA stalwart Marjorie Taylor Greene is deepening her rift with President Donald Trump’s coalition with a demand that Republicans end the government shutdown.

The Georgia Republican said this week’s shutdown “doesn’t have to be happening” and placed blame for the impasse on the GOP, which controls the White House and holds a majority in the House and Senate.

“Right now this shutdown is a big political fight and drama, but it doesn’t have to be happening,” she told InfoWars. “The Senate can use the nuclear option and override the 60-vote rule. They can pass the CR with a simple majority.”
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Republicans, including Trump, have falsely claimed that Democrats are to blame for the shutdown because they want to give free healthcare to undocumented immigrants. In fact, federal law bars unauthorized immigrants from buying Obamacare marketplace plans or receiving Obamacare subsidies. They’re also ineligible for Medicaid, Medicare, and CHIP.

Greene went on to criticize her fellow Republicans for playing politics when the shutdown is harming Americans, forcing TSA agents, air traffic controllers, and soldiers to continue working without pay. She also noted that WIC program benefits are frozen for struggling families and single mothers.
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southernhybrid said:
starwater said:

Ole Marge may be coming around...
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That'a what I've been saying for awhile, but nobody else seems to think it's possible for a person to change. It might be only temporary but as people grow older, they often acquire some wisdom and realize they were wrong about a lot of things. I'm hoping that MTG is one of them. Time will tell.
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We can be hopeful - there's nothing wrong with sometimes being optimistic about people
 
lostone said:
southernhybrid said:
starwater said:

Ole Marge may be coming around...
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That'a what I've been saying for awhile, but nobody else seems to think it's possible for a person to change. It might be only temporary but as people grow older, they often acquire some wisdom and realize they were wrong about a lot of things. I'm hoping that MTG is one of them. Time will tell.
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We can be hopeful - there's nothing wrong with sometimes being optimistic about people
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Madge has long shown Olympic level gullibility. She can believe four mutually exclusive things before breakfast. If she believes something that happens to be true, I’d call it serendipity.
 
I don't have any hope over the Epstein file issue. It's been way too long. They've already removed the One Who Shall Not Be Named from any related documents. Which means that when they finally say, "Here you go," you can bet that they will also have spin prepared, like to point to Bill Clinton. He's the mastermind, your honor.

So far as healthcare, she's giving Trump an opportunity to do something about healthcare through a decree while congress is out. Then, they can all say "yay, we did it." Republicans do not seem to have any interest in actually governing over these kinds of programs. So that's the only way it can happen.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
I don't have any hope over the Epstein file issue. It's been way too long. They've already removed the One Who Shall Not Be Named from any related documents. Which means that when they finally say, "Here you go," you can bet that they will also have spin prepared, like to point to Bill Clinton. He's the mastermind, your honor.
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Well, yes. But you are assuming a degree of competence in redacting identities, that is not in evidence.

Remember "Individual-1"? A perfect way to obscure the true identity of an un-named defendant, who "...in 2017, had become President of the United States".

I forsee a future in which we learn that Bill Clinton travelled to Epstein's island, from his home at Mar-a-Lago, Florida, in a trip he kept secret from his wife, Melania...
 
bilby said:
Well, yes. But you are assuming a degree of competence in redacting identities, that is not in evidence.
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What he's assuming is that Trump and his employees have an enormous degree of competence in lying and dissembling. That is very much in evidence.
Tom
 
Trump pulls his endorsement of MTG.

Trump pulls endorsement of Greene amid growing rift

President Trump late Friday announced he is pulling his endorsement and support of Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) — a major escalation of their growing beef after weeks of the House Republican criticizing fellow GOP members and the commander in chief himself.

“I am withdrawing my support and Endorsement of ‘Congresswoman’ Marjorie Taylor Greene, of the Great State of Georgia,” Trump wrote on Truth Social, adding that despite his record, “all I see ‘Wacky’ Marjorie do is COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN!”

“It seemed to all begin when I sent her a Poll stating that she should not run for Senator, or Governor, she was at 12%, and didn’t have a chance (unless, of course, she had my Endorsement — which she wasn’t about to get!),” he continued. “She has told many people that she is upset that I don’t return her phone calls anymore, but with 219 Congressmen/women, 53 U.S. Senators, 24 Cabinet Members, almost 200 Countries, and an otherwise normal life to lead, I can’t take a ranting Lunatic’s call every day.”
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ZiprHead said:
Trump pulls his endorsement of MTG.

Trump pulls endorsement of Greene amid growing rift

President Trump late Friday announced he is pulling his endorsement and support of Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) — a major escalation of their growing beef after weeks of the House Republican criticizing fellow GOP members and the commander in chief himself.

“I am withdrawing my support and Endorsement of ‘Congresswoman’ Marjorie Taylor Greene, of the Great State of Georgia,” Trump wrote on Truth Social, adding that despite his record, “all I see ‘Wacky’ Marjorie do is COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN!”

“It seemed to all begin when I sent her a Poll stating that she should not run for Senator, or Governor, she was at 12%, and didn’t have a chance (unless, of course, she had my Endorsement — which she wasn’t about to get!),” he continued. “She has told many people that she is upset that I don’t return her phone calls anymore, but with 219 Congressmen/women, 53 U.S. Senators, 24 Cabinet Members, almost 200 Countries, and an otherwise normal life to lead, I can’t take a ranting Lunatic’s call every day.”
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Has MTG been struck with an attack of sanity? That could be fatal, in Trump era America.
 
Marjorie Taylor Greene has spectacularly torched her relationship with Donald Trump just hours after the president announced he was cutting her loose amid her persistent criticisms of his policies.

The fallout came as Trump hit out at Greene in a lengthy Truth Social post Friday evening, withdrawing his support of the Georgia representative while saying she has 'gone Far Left' and become 'a ranting lunatic.'

Greene fired back by sharing screenshots of texts she sent to Trump about the importance of the Epstein files, as well as with another person named 'NH' - an apparent reference to the president's assistant Natalie Harp.

The text message she sent Trump advises him to 'lean in' to former President Bill Clinton's own connections to the billionaire pedophile. Earlier Friday, Trump ordered an investigation into Clinton's ties to Epstein.

'Check the flight logs of Epstein's plane. Bill Clinton is on there like 26 times! Hillary too!! For many of us, releasing the Epstein files has always been for the women who were victims of Jeffrey Epstein, but also because we believed Democrat bad guys like the Clintons were entangled and involved with him,' Greene said in the text.

'Epstein was the spider that wove the web of the deep state. Lean into it,' she advised.

In the second screenshot, Greene responds to a text from 'NH' that appears to be fuming about her Trump criticisms, stating: 'THE JEFFREY EPSTEIN HOAX.'

Greene replies: 'In every single interview I have done I have defended President Trump. I've said over and over the women say he did nothing wrong and their attorney says he's the only one who helped. And the Democrats had 4 years to release the files but did nothing.'
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www.dailymail.co.uk

Heartbroken MTG savages Trump and leaks brutal Epstein text

Trump hit out at Greene in a lengthy Truth Social post Friday evening, withdrawing his support of the Georgia representative while saying she has 'gone Far Left' and become 'a ranting lunatic.'
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
ZiprHead said:
Marjorie Taylor Greene has spectacularly torched her relationship with Donald Trump just hours after the president announced he was cutting her loose amid her persistent criticisms of his policies.

The fallout came as Trump hit out at Greene in a lengthy Truth Social post Friday evening, withdrawing his support of the Georgia representative while saying she has 'gone Far Left' and become 'a ranting lunatic.'

Greene fired back by sharing screenshots of texts she sent to Trump about the importance of the Epstein files, as well as with another person named 'NH' - an apparent reference to the president's assistant Natalie Harp.

The text message she sent Trump advises him to 'lean in' to former President Bill Clinton's own connections to the billionaire pedophile. Earlier Friday, Trump ordered an investigation into Clinton's ties to Epstein.

'Check the flight logs of Epstein's plane. Bill Clinton is on there like 26 times! Hillary too!! For many of us, releasing the Epstein files has always been for the women who were victims of Jeffrey Epstein, but also because we believed Democrat bad guys like the Clintons were entangled and involved with him,' Greene said in the text.

'Epstein was the spider that wove the web of the deep state. Lean into it,' she advised.

In the second screenshot, Greene responds to a text from 'NH' that appears to be fuming about her Trump criticisms, stating: 'THE JEFFREY EPSTEIN HOAX.'

Greene replies: 'In every single interview I have done I have defended President Trump. I've said over and over the women say he did nothing wrong and their attorney says he's the only one who helped. And the Democrats had 4 years to release the files but did nothing.'
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www.dailymail.co.uk

Heartbroken MTG savages Trump and leaks brutal Epstein text

Trump hit out at Greene in a lengthy Truth Social post Friday evening, withdrawing his support of the Georgia representative while saying she has 'gone Far Left' and become 'a ranting lunatic.'
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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It seems like there was a nuanced difference here. MTG thought this: "hey release the files and then lean into making Clinton a big deal. You can do this since you are innocent." Meanwhile, Trump thought: "I cannot release the files or be transparent. Therefore, I will order loyal cultists in the DOJ to investigate Clinton-Epstein connection, while NOT releasing the Epstein files."

It could also be that the investigation is a propaganda attempt to change the narrative _prior to_ releasing the files. So, if they can succeed in getting feces to stick the wall after throwing it, then they might release the files and say, "see? look at all the data that supports our conclusions [we quote-mined and cherry-picked]." Then, anything anyone says about Trump is unofficial and doesn't carry any kind of significant legal weight. Trump-Epstein connection will sound like noise, if they can get social and mainstream media to flip.

In any case, MTG will be a lesson for all the other cultists. They must all agree 100% with Trump or lose their careers. If Trump shows forgiveness, then all the other Republicans will think they can sometimes disagree and get away with it, too.

Here's MTG on that:
"And of course he’s coming after me hard to make an example to scare all the other Republicans before next weeks vote to release the Epstein files," she said. "It’s astonishing really how hard he’s fighting to stop the Epstein files from coming out that he actually goes to this level."
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