In this time, I heard the story of how they, as a high school student, as a result of the exposure of their kink (fetish? I don't know how deep it goes for him) led to the loss of all of their friends, and the entirety of their social support.
This strikes me as a failure of sexual education. Inna sane world, everyone would know that it's not OK to treat people like that. Sex Ed is where cultures of either bullying and ostracization start, or die. When a culture has been formed that says "don't kink shame" and creates a backstop for that kind of bullying, I find that preferable to the one where the prudes of the world say "that's icky!" (And the implied "and you're icky for liking it!") Without challenge.
Maybe that's more the reason some people don't want comprehensive sexual education: maybe they don't want their behavior to get shushed and shamed the way they would see others shushed and shamed merely for being themselves?
Seriously though, it seems like it would be really difficult to wash. I'd go back to a normal bed (with mattress protector, LOL!) the first time some nasty Santorum shart happened.
That's another thing that they never teach: that sex is messy and awkward the first few times. And "never pay for a sex toy you won't know how to wash, or can't.
In this time, I heard the story of how they, as a high school student, as a result of the exposure of their kink (fetish? I don't know how deep it goes for him) led to the loss of all of their friends, and the entirety of their social support.
This strikes me as a failure of sexual education. Inna sane world, everyone would know that it's not OK to treat people like that. Sex Ed is where cultures of either bullying and ostracization start, or die. When a culture has been formed that says "don't kink shame" and creates a backstop for that kind of bullying, I find that preferable to the one where the prudes of the world say "that's icky!" (And the implied "and you're icky for liking it!") Without challenge.
Exactly. This is the sort of problem we get from putting kink in the closet.
So what if your kink is "icky"? That's a reason not to get romantically involved, that's not a reason to think of them as bad people. It would also avoid a lot of marriage problems related to people hiding their kinks and thus ending up with someone who isn't at least neutral to them. Kinks are only bad when they are either dangerous to their participants or involve nonconsenting people.
Maybe that's more the reason some people don't want comprehensive sexual education: maybe they don't want their behavior to get shushed and shamed the way they would see others shushed and shamed merely for being themselves?
Comprehensive sex ed isn't going to expose people's kinks. What it can do is make people understand that they are normal.
Seriously though, it seems like it would be really difficult to wash. I'd go back to a normal bed (with mattress protector, LOL!) the first time some nasty Santorum shart happened.
That's another thing that they never teach: that sex is messy and awkward the first few times. And "never pay for a sex toy you won't know how to wash, or can't.
Even without getting anal involved sex surfaces will need cleaning.
On the other hand, we have a blanket around here that could fool you into thinking it was a short-furred animal. It can go in both the washer and dryer. Never even thought of trying sex on it.
I don't think we can go any further until you clearly define what you mean by 'normal.'Alrighty. On a serious note...
Do you allow for any distinction between:
1) Not shaming people for having kinks
and
2) Not approving of sexual practices being a public topic
and
3) Not approving of kinks and uncommon sexual practices being taught to children as normal?
I don't care if people have kinks, provided they're consenting adults. But I don't think they should be a part of public life, no more than I think a discussion of my favorite positions and the dildo I like best should be a part of public life. Furthermore, I don't think that any of that should be framed as 'normal' for children.
I mean, do you really truly think that having an adult person in a costume that involves a large dildo is appropriate for an event aimed at young children?
not at all. EL is clear that thery want the 'not normal' stuff hidden away.I don't think we can go any further until you clearly define what you mean by 'normal.'
Is that like saying, "we cannot proceed with this discussion until you define the boundary between art and porn"?
I don't think we can go any further until you clearly define what you mean by 'normal.'Alrighty. On a serious note...
Do you allow for any distinction between:
1) Not shaming people for having kinks
and
2) Not approving of sexual practices being a public topic
and
3) Not approving of kinks and uncommon sexual practices being taught to children as normal?
I don't care if people have kinks, provided they're consenting adults. But I don't think they should be a part of public life, no more than I think a discussion of my favorite positions and the dildo I like best should be a part of public life. Furthermore, I don't think that any of that should be framed as 'normal' for children.
I mean, do you really truly think that having an adult person in a costume that involves a large dildo is appropriate for an event aimed at young children?
Is that like saying, "we cannot proceed with this discussion until you define the boundary between art and porn"?
what art is inappropriate for children or "the public discourse"?... "you know... the 'normal' kind"... heh
I am still thinking on the sentiment that "must not promote publically" is equivalent to "must be ashamed".
I just got surgery on my elbow. really. I have stitches. It looks nasty at the moment. Want to see a picture? Are you shaming me for not wanting to see my blood-crusted elbow with black string sticking out?
What if the observer considers the "act" the mere telling of the thing? What they are not consenting to is hearing about it.Is that like saying, "we cannot proceed with this discussion until you define the boundary between art and porn"?
what art is inappropriate for children or "the public discourse"?... "you know... the 'normal' kind"... heh
I am still thinking on the sentiment that "must not promote publically" is equivalent to "must be ashamed".
I just got surgery on my elbow. really. I have stitches. It looks nasty at the moment. Want to see a picture? Are you shaming me for not wanting to see my blood-crusted elbow with black string sticking out?
No, I'm shaming you for not respecting my consent after you sought it prior to your act that I did not consent to.
And we can and have talked about the subject without actually saying much of what any of my educational examples pertain to at all. It's almost like you can discuss a thing for educational purposes without having to engage immediately with the actual thing
What if the observer considers the "act" the mere telling of the thing? What they are not consenting to is hearing about it.
And we can and have talked about the subject without actually saying much of what any of my educational examples pertain to at all. It's almost like you can discuss a thing for educational purposes without having to engage immediately with the actual thing
If I had the technology to embed false memories into another person's brain, and chose to embed a vivid memory into your brain of, let's say, you gouging the eyes out of another person and eating them.. and they taste like salty grapes. That would be an ethical and good way to provide educational material for you on cannibalisms, right?