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The Privacy Threat From Always-On Microphones Like the Amazon Echo

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A warrant from police in Arkansas seeking audio records of a man’s Amazon Echo has sparked an overdue conversation about the privacy implications of “always-on” recording devices. This story should serve as a giant wakeup call about the potential surveillance devices that many people are starting to allow into their own homes.

I was at a dinner party recently with close friends where the conversation turned to some entirely theoretical, screenplay-writing-type speculations about presidential assassinations—speculations that would be pretty dicey should certain outside parties who did not know us and where we were coming from be listening in. Realizing this as we spoke, the group thought of our host’s Amazon Echo, sitting on a side table with its little light on. The group’s conversation became self-conscious as we began joking about the Echo listening in. Joking or not, in short order our host walked over and unplugged it.

It is exactly this kind of self-consciousness and chilling effects that surveillance—or even the most remote threat of surveillance—casts over otherwise freewheeling private conversations, and is the reason people need ironclad assurance that their devices will not—cannot—betray them.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/privacy-technology/privacy-threat-always-microphones-amazon-echo

I was thinking about getting a Google Home Mini - mainly for shopping lists and simple stuff. After reading this... maybe I will stick to a pencil and paper. I don't need Trump knowing how many times a day I call him a stupid fucking moron. :p
 
As someone in the tech industry, I absolutely do not want this kind of garbage in my home. I do not trust tech companies.. at all.

Even if nothing goes wrong, it's the principle of it.
 
Next up, police solve baffling murder when Amazon Echo reveals the voice of the killer.


Information which is saved, will be used. It will be used by someone, for some reason, some day. As long as the record exists, it will be exploited. The only way to resolve this dilemma is to surrender.

If we want the convenience of 24/7 internet connection, which means we can turn on our music without getting off the sofa, and calling a cab to our door, we are demanding attention from people we don't know and cant see. We can't demand that everyone ignore us the rest of the time. It's just not realistic.
 
Michael Che on Saturday Night Live: “Consumer watchdog groups are warning that devices like Amazon’s Echo and Google Home may be recording people all the time. Which explains why all of the ads that pop up on my computer are for Gas-X.”

:p
 
Big Brother is watching you -- and has been for some time; every keystroke, every email is recorded. Audio or video surveillance can be turned on remotely without any indication from the device. Phones and cars can be GPS traced.
 
George Orwell, eat your heart out. 1984 had nothing comparable. Not the subtlety or the depth of control and regulation of our brave new world. And this is still early days. Wait till smart materials become a reality, painted sensors, roads, walls, fittings.....given these new toys, what if hotels want to make sure their guests don't damage their rooms, for example, the possibilities haha.
 
Inside people's homes and in their immediate environment is the next logical place from which to extract profit. More effective advertising, more data about habits.. and on and on.

I'm too old to accept this type of thing as normal, and I suspect a lot of people older than me feel the same way. Those born not long ago don't know life any other way.
 
People accepted smartphone spying on them not to mention ISP spying which is given. However, Echo spying I suspect will probably not stand. Manufacturers will be forced to comply with consumers desire not to be recorded even as a result of hacking.
 
It's still not too late to go off the grid. On Amazon, there are plenty of books on the subject you can download. Then you can go to the USGS website or a number of other websites that have available the USGS maps of back roads/fire roads and trails. Download these to a SD card, load it into your Garmin, and you're free.

Until some guy from the Census Bureau snowshoes in to encourage you to fill out your survey.
 
If they were actually sending all the data to their home servers it would be trivial for an IT guy to prove it. Thus I see no reason to think they're sending more than they claim to.

However, they can accidentally send stuff. I've seen Siri activated by accident enough I turned it off. I have yet to see Google (Android, not a home device) activated by mistake.
 
If they were actually sending all the data to their home servers it would be trivial for an IT guy to prove it. Thus I see no reason to think they're sending more than they claim to.

However, they can accidentally send stuff. I've seen Siri activated by accident enough I turned it off. I have yet to see Google (Android, not a home device) activated by mistake.

I think the problem is more giving them the ability to record and send data, rather than what they're doing with it right now. Because who knows when their policies or practices will change.

First we let them into our home because 'they're not saving data to their servers', then we let them save data to their servers 'because they aren't going to do anything with it anyway'. Then fast forward a couple decades and mega-corporations know every detail about every human being in the Western world.

Government and law is not keeping up with the pace of technology, and the consumer is repeatedly getting fucked. I don't expect this to change any time soon.
 
If they were actually sending all the data to their home servers it would be trivial for an IT guy to prove it. Thus I see no reason to think they're sending more than they claim to.

However, they can accidentally send stuff. I've seen Siri activated by accident enough I turned it off. I have yet to see Google (Android, not a home device) activated by mistake.

This. Also, there are some pretty solid hardware controls. The 'always listening' chip is hardware specific to processing the wake word (which is why there are only a couple of options), it doesn't do any real speech processing or recording. You only get recording after that chip activates and turns the main device on (i.e. when the lights come on). This is really easy to check at the circuit level so with all the scrutiny these are getting, you can be pretty confident that they are not spying on you.

You do, however, need to think about all of the valuable data you are giving them completely voluntarily when actually using these devices. Personally, I've decided that the convenience is worth the trade-off.
 
As someone in the tech industry, I absolutely do not want this kind of garbage in my home. I do not trust tech companies.. at all.

Even if nothing goes wrong, it's the principle of it.

All I can say, as someone who has recently earned Security + certification, is "of course, and anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot."

I even put a little piece of electrical tape over the built-in camera on my laptop.
 
As someone in the tech industry, I absolutely do not want this kind of garbage in my home. I do not trust tech companies.. at all.

Even if nothing goes wrong, it's the principle of it.

All I can say, as someone who has recently earned Security + certification, is "of course, and anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot."

I even put a little piece of electrical tape over the built-in camera on my laptop.
What do you do about UEFI BIOS which, in case you did not know, runs on your laptop even when it is hibernating?
 
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