• Welcome to the new Internet Infidels Discussion Board, formerly Talk Freethought.

The Race For 2024

The multibillionaire former President now can't secure a bond to pay off his $464 million disgorgement owed to the court because of past fraud. His lawyers complained that they had approached 30 companies and not a single one would agree to take on the risk of not getting repaid. What could they be afraid of? The man says that his properties are worth billions. Don't they believe him when he tells them what his properties are worth? Anyway, he wants the court to simply trust him until he has exhausted his appeals. Why won't anyone trust him? :shrug:

Trump is unable to make $464 million bond in civil fraud case, his lawyers tell court


Anyway, it looks like they'll just have to start seizing those properties that he claims are worth enough to cover the payment. A fitting irony, since he was once famous for evicting tenants that he wanted to get rid of in rent-stabilized buildings.

Donald Trump was a nightmare landlord in the 1980s
 
Last edited:
The multibillionaire former President now can't secure a bond to pay off his $464 million disgorgement owed to the court because of past fraud. His lawyers complained that they had approached 30 companies and not a single one would agree to take on the risk of not getting repaid. What could they be afraid of? The man says that his properties are worth billions. Don't they believe him when he tells them what his properties are worth? Anyway, he wants the court to simply trust him until he has exhausted his appeals. Why won't anyone trust him? :shrug:

Trump is unable to make $464 million bond in civil fraud case, his lawyers tell court


Anyway, it looks like they'll just have to start seizing those properties that he claims are worth enough to cover the payment. A fitting irony, since he was once famous for evicting tenants that he wanted to get rid of in rent-stabilized buildings.

Donald Trump was a nightmare landlord in the 1980s
“A bond of this size would be an abuse of the law, contradict bedrock principals of our Republic, and fundamentally undermine the rule of law in New York,” Cheung said. “President Trump will continue fighting and beating all of these Crooked Joe Biden-directed hoaxes and will Make America Great Again.”

That's funny shit. I particularly like the "President" Trump thingie. I hope they start seizing the properties tomorrow.
 
Guy sez he is a multi-billionaire.
Needs to “find” a tenth of what he says he is worth. Can’t find two sticks to rub together.
Fucker has collected more than this from his rubes in the last few years. He couldn’t have spent it ALL on hookers.

WHERE IS IT.
 
Guy sez he is a multi-billionaire.
Needs to “find” a tenth of what he says he is worth. Can’t find two sticks to rub together.
Fucker has collected more than this from his rubes in the last few years. He couldn’t have spent it ALL on hookers.

WHERE IS IT.

He did say in 2016 that he's worth $10,000,000,000 in his financial disclosure forms while running for president.. If he still holds to that claim then it's only 1/20 of his claimed worth.
 
Trump's wealth varies according to what he says his properties are worth. That is essentially what led to the finding in the civil fraud trial, since he used conflicting claims as a basis for securing loans and reporting his wealth to state and federal tax collectors. If they seize his properties to secure what he owes, they'll find out for real what some of his properties are worth.
 
Behind the scenes, Biden has grown angry and anxious about re-election effort - NBC News - "Biden locked up the Democratic nomination last week, but looking ahead to the general election, anxiety has seemed to increase."
President Joe Biden was seething.

In a private meeting at the White House in January, allies of the president had just told him that his poll numbers in Michigan and Georgia had dropped over his handling of the war between Israel and Hamas.

Both are battleground states he narrowly won four years ago, and he can’t afford any backsliding if he is to once again defeat Donald Trump. He began to shout and swear, a lawmaker familiar with the meeting said.

He believed he had been doing what was right, despite the political fallout, he told the group, according to the lawmaker.

Asked about the episode, Andrew Bates, a White House spokesman, said: “President Biden makes national security decisions based on the country’s national security needs alone — no other factor.”
He ought to recognize that unlike his predecessor Harry Truman, he has hundreds of thousands of Arabs among his constituents. Also that a lot of people turned off by mass murder and indiscriminate destruction.
 
Guy sez he is a multi-billionaire.
Needs to “find” a tenth of what he says he is worth. Can’t find two sticks to rub together.
Fucker has collected more than this from his rubes in the last few years. He couldn’t have spent it ALL on hookers.

WHERE IS IT.

He did say in 2016 that he's worth $10,000,000,000 in his financial disclosure forms while running for president.. If he still holds to that claim then it's only 1/20 of his claimed worth.
*rummaging through his records*

A duplex on St. Charles Place that goes for $150 a night. One hotel on Illinois Ave that he says he can bill $950 a night at. Wait... what the heck are "The Water Works"?
 
Jason.
I apologize for thinking you were conservative and by extension pro-Rump.
And no I don't want anybody to support Rump.

"It should come as no surprise I will not be endorsing Donald Trump this year." - Mike Pence

Yes, it is very surprising the way you kissed his ass for four years and beyond.
Rump fired, in his first few months, anyone who didn't kiss his ass.

Of course Rump has the bond money. He is claiming poverty to get his supporters to anti-up the bond.
This is how he funded all his projects. Using invester's money, not his own.

As for not answering:
Some of us do not live online 24/7.
I for instance, drop-in only about once a week. Sometimes longer.
 
Behind the scenes, Biden has grown angry and anxious about re-election effort - NBC News - "Biden locked up the Democratic nomination last week, but looking ahead to the general election, anxiety has seemed to increase."
President Joe Biden was seething.

In a private meeting at the White House in January, allies of the president had just told him that his poll numbers in Michigan and Georgia had dropped over his handling of the war between Israel and Hamas.

Both are battleground states he narrowly won four years ago, and he can’t afford any backsliding if he is to once again defeat Donald Trump. He began to shout and swear, a lawmaker familiar with the meeting said.

He believed he had been doing what was right, despite the political fallout, he told the group, according to the lawmaker.

Asked about the episode, Andrew Bates, a White House spokesman, said: “President Biden makes national security decisions based on the country’s national security needs alone — no other factor.”
He ought to recognize that unlike his predecessor Harry Truman, he has hundreds of thousands of Arabs among his constituents. Also that a lot of people turned off by mass murder and indiscriminate destruction.
That article kind of pisses me off. Ethnocidal violence is not adequately excused by a passionately held belief that one is "doing what is right". Like yeah, people tend not to blow children's brains out unless they have become passionately convinced that the world owes them that right somehow, but that is not and cannot be our standard for judging such an act as right or wrong. If you want to hold high office, you don't just get to say "I meant well" and wash your hands of the consequences of a war you used your influence and money to initiate. We elected him to a position where he holds enormous responsibility for other people's lives, and he wielded that power callously at best, only showing second thoughts when it started impacting his polling numbers. If fear of the alternative manages to compel me to cast a vote for this man in November, I'm going to feel pretty fucking sick afterward. I don't know if I can do it at all.

And that last quote: "President Biden makes national security decisions based on the country’s national security needs alone — no other factor.” That is the kind of disgusting reasoning I used to associate with GW when I was young and naive, not the supposed "Left". It makes me feel like there is no Left anymore. Not in Washington. Just Bushes or Trumps all the way down, no alternative. Only people who never read their history, who somehow don't know what horrors have been unleashed on the world in the name of "security needs alone, no other factor". My security is not worth more to me than my honor, than my capacity for love of others, than my basic decency. There is no such thing as security, really. This world is dangerous, and throwing away your moral compass cannot make it safe.
 
Behind the scenes, Biden has grown angry and anxious about re-election effort - NBC News - "Biden locked up the Democratic nomination last week, but looking ahead to the general election, anxiety has seemed to increase."
President Joe Biden was seething.

In a private meeting at the White House in January, allies of the president had just told him that his poll numbers in Michigan and Georgia had dropped over his handling of the war between Israel and Hamas.

Both are battleground states he narrowly won four years ago, and he can’t afford any backsliding if he is to once again defeat Donald Trump. He began to shout and swear, a lawmaker familiar with the meeting said.

He believed he had been doing what was right, despite the political fallout, he told the group, according to the lawmaker.

Asked about the episode, Andrew Bates, a White House spokesman, said: “President Biden makes national security decisions based on the country’s national security needs alone — no other factor.”
He ought to recognize that unlike his predecessor Harry Truman, he has hundreds of thousands of Arabs among his constituents. Also that a lot of people turned off by mass murder and indiscriminate destruction.
Feed starving Gazans with one hand while giving munitions to Israel with the other. When that doesn't bump you in the polls, yell and swear some more.
 
Feed starving Gazans with one hand while giving munitions to Israel with the other. When that doesn't bump you in the polls, yell and swear some more.
I agree it's moronic on the face of it. What do most American Jews think about it? I suspect that there's good fraction that support Israel and also oppose NetanYahoo
Are the Bibi-supporting ones a larger voting block than Muslims, virtually all of whom are more than pissed? Are they going to vote for Trump??
That guy is another self interested corrupt self dealer, and will fight to the death to stay out of jail by staying in power.
 
I suspect that there's good fraction that support Israel and also oppose NetanYahoo
It's not dissimilar to the US. After 9/11 there were many people who opposed Bush but still supported US actions against Al Qaeda.
Are the Bibi-supporting ones a larger voting block than Muslims, virtually all of whom are more than pissed? Are they going to vote for Trump??
More likely the Muslims/Arabs and their useful idiots on the far left will either stay home or vote for one of the anti-Israel candidates like Cornell West.
That guy is another self interested corrupt self dealer, and will fight to the death to stay out of jail by staying in power.
Be that as it may, for now he is the head of government and his country is at war. I also think statements like the one by Chuck Schumer will only serve to increase his support.
 
Feed starving Gazans with one hand while giving munitions to Israel with the other. When that doesn't bump you in the polls, yell and swear some more.
I do not see the contradiction. Munitions are necessary to fight Hamas, while Gazan civilians need the food. However, the biggest problem is distribution. Right now, aid trucks are either looted or commandeered by Hamas.
 
Feed starving Gazans with one hand while giving munitions to Israel with the other. When that doesn't bump you in the polls, yell and swear some more.
I do not see the contradiction. Munitions are necessary to fight Hamas, while Gazan civilians need the food. However, the biggest problem is distribution. Right now, aid trucks are either looted or commandeered by Hamas.
That is a problem. A much bigger issue is Israeli intransigence in letting aid theiugh in a timely manner.
 
Feed starving Gazans with one hand while giving munitions to Israel with the other. When that doesn't bump you in the polls, yell and swear some more.
I do not see the contradiction. Munitions are necessary to fight Hamas, while Gazan civilians need the food. However, the biggest problem is distribution. Right now, aid trucks are either looted or commandeered by Hamas.
Sure there is, in the ham-handed way Israel is using those munitions. If you have terrorists in the stadium among the spectators, you don't start lobbing grenades where you think the terrorists are.
 
Feed starving Gazans with one hand while giving munitions to Israel with the other. When that doesn't bump you in the polls, yell and swear some more.
I agree it's moronic on the face of it. What do most American Jews think about it? I suspect that there's good fraction that support Israel and also oppose NetanYahoo
Are the Bibi-supporting ones a larger voting block than Muslims, virtually all of whom are more than pissed? Are they going to vote for Trump??
That guy is another self interested corrupt self dealer, and will fight to the death to stay out of jail by staying in power.
I guess if Biden moves too far away from Israel too soon, the Republicans will pounce. It looks like he has to balance helping Gazans and or stopping Israel with whatever horrifying pictures the press might sneak out.
 
And students, lets turn to Chapter 17 in our textbook, "SHOW ME THE MONEYYYYYYYY!!!!!"

The 2024 election is the most important election in our nation's history since the last one. The GOP did poorly-ish in the mid-terms. And despite a base that is solidly behind Trump and polls indicating Trump is doing well-ish, Trump has a problem.
article said:
Donald Trump’s reelection campaign has begun to see warning signs that the small-dollar donors who fueled his last run for the White House have slowed their support to the former president this year, according to people familiar with the matter.

...

Evidence from earlier in the 2024 election cycle already hinted at an erosion of Trump’s small-dollar donor base, or support of $200 or less.

In 2023, Trump’s reelection campaign raised 62.5% less money from small-dollar donors than it did in 2019, the year before the last presidential election.
News outlets are reporting that Biden is seeing a record gain in donations early on, which is in part because the re-election team has been working hard on this for months. You know, dedicated to the election, not court hearings for several indictments. So while the excitement for a Biden re-election is about as quelled as it could possibly be, while people aren't screaming like teenaged girls at a boyband concert, they seem to know that the alternative is not acceptable.

And Trump is now seeing the alternative. The billionaire "worth" "$14 billion" has been hitting up his base for money for years now. And it appears that there is fatigue, especially in light of the fact that he can't get anyone to back his $500 million bond. Now $500 million is a lot, but isn't that what he says Mar a Lago is worth for realz?

To make matters worse, for both Trump and the RNC, Trump has taken control of the RNC, likely seeing it as a cash cow. But the fact remains, he already milked that cow dry. His stop the steal cash scheme got the RNC a lot of money and he had them pay his lawyers in return. The RNC doesn't have much left, $20 to $40 million, and the big check writers are acting very hesitantly.
article said:
Many wealthy Republican donors have yet to commit to giving millions of dollars toward a pro-Trump political action committee, or to using their extensive networks to raise money for the campaign, according to people familiar with the matter.

Beyond Trump-specific entities, some donors are also hesitant to fund the Republican National Committee, or a newly created joint fundraising committee that will raise money for the RNC, Trump’s campaign and dozens of state GOP parties, according to people briefed on the matter.
Now, there are still local PACs that they can donate to for down the list candidates, but the coordination (that totally doesn't exist), appears now to be non-existent. The wealthy only like the idea of Trump if that means they save tax money. They kind of already got theirs, why give it back now?

So this creates a bigger risk to the GOP. The GOP should be retaking the Senate and having a fighter's chance of holding the House. But as things stand, with limited cash available to down ticket candidates, and abortion likely being on the ballot in Florida and Arizona, the US Senate is actually still within reach for the Democrats and the House seems like a safe gamblers bet.

Which finally gets us to Trump's biggest problem. His polling numbers suck. Yes, Biden's numbers aren't great, but Trump still needs to win. Looking back at 2004 and 2012 we see unpopular Presidents who were being out-polled for a bit, but their numbers weren't that high. Trump is higher, but not 55%.

Nothing is certain and Trump defies almost all political norms, but these things could brew into a perfect political storm. Trump doesn't need money for his base but he needs it for the rest of the people. The Republicans that hate him, but like the judges. If he can't raise the money (and often at this point in a Trump venture he can't sell anymore junk bonds and the Russians have laundered what they will with him), he is setting up the entire GOP for a very hard November.

Of course, things can change and Winter is Coming in November could be a second Trump term, but it is a very tall hill to climb at this point. The Recession didn't happen, Biden knocked a homer with the SOTU address, and most of the GOP lies are becoming exposed.
 
I think it will come down to whether or not Biden can roll around in the mud with Trump in any debates

Biden is getting aggressive in trading trash talk with Trump, but maybe too little too late.
 
Back
Top Bottom