Every child from the moment of birth is moving toward adulthood.10 yr olds is distinct from 4 yr olds in all 3 categories. That shouldn’t mean 10 yr olds are not actual children. Your argument is fallacious.
That's been the position taken by lawmakers everywhere since forever. Is this your first day?
Doesn't mean that it is the correct position. Why are you defending it?
I am not redefining anything. The meaning of "child" is equivocal. You are the one who clings to "everyone under 18", presumably to defend things like lack of accountability for 17 year old gang murderers and terrorists.
It is true that I do not share your rage boner for punishment but not treating children/minors as adults is not promoting a lack of accountability. It is recognizing that childten/ minors are not adults. It is sign of sccepting reality.
They are allowed to protest. They are not allowed to burn down buildings or cars, take over city blocks with barricades and armed patrols, and other tactics used by Antifas and #BLMers in 2020.
Nobody said they are. But neither are your Ilk allowed to riot, commit arson, or take over police stations and city blocks.
I do not disagree that those who tried to overthrow the orderly transfer of government deserve significant penalties. What I disagree with is the continuous downplaying of the severity of the 2020 riots by both people on here and also by prosecutors who either refused to prosecute or gave rioters sweetheart deals - like one short year for torching a NYPD vehicle with a Molotov.
The problem is that the 2020 rioters were given lighter sentences because prosecutors from Garland's DOJ agreed with their politics.
The juvenile system is not adequate for dealing with serious crimes, and amounts to a de facto lack of accountability. It is not a "rage boner" to recognize that fact.
Minors are not adults. Their age should be taken into account. At the same time, the juvenile justice system is not adequate to deal with serious crimes committed by minors. That's why being able to charge minors as adults for serious crimes is necessary.
None of that means treating like adults. It means improving the system.
Because it's the correct position. The alternative is anarchy.
No it is not. When you say that violence outside of the US Congress is not a big deal, that's anarchy. Like we had in 2020.
As long as you get serious consequences for 17 year old near adults committing serious crimes it is secondary what system it goes through.
No, it is not anarchy under the normal sense of the word because the violence in 2020 was not predicated on overthrowing the elected hovt.
I didn't say that.
It was de facto anarchy when extremist groups were able to take over entire city blocks for weeks with feckless mayors like Jenny Durkan refusing to do anything.
What is your opinion of leftists detonating a bomb in the US Senate? And a Democratic president commuting their senteces?
As it is designed right now, no US system is even vaguely capable of handling crime adequately.
“De facto anarchy” means an rldctrd ofgicial answerable to her constituents ( happy coincidence?) didn’t do what you wanted.
You’re the one advocating for more ineffective and harmful incarceration of minors.
That it sounds like a terrible crime, but happened before I was old enough to care about such things, so I don't have any real interest in it nor any strong opinions, other than that it is completely independent of, and irrelevant to, the events of 2020.
