The Race For 2024

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2024's other big loser? The mainstream media. Is there any path forward? | Will Bunch

As an electorate besieged by disinformation turned to Trump, trust in traditional media has imploded. What comes next?

www.inquirer.com

In October, a Reuters/Ipsos poll found a powerfully strong connection between people who believed provably false information and whether they planned to vote for Trump or Harris. For example, Democrats held a plus-65% advantage among voters who correctly said that big-city violent crime rates are at or near record lows, while Republicans led by 26% with voters insisting this was false. The same was true for 2024’s recent sharp drop in border crossings (true, plus-59% Democrat; false, plus-17% Republican) or the stock market’s current all-time high (true, plus-20% Democrat; false, plus-9% Republican).

This very much jibes with where voters get their news. An NBC News survey back in May — when Biden was still the Democrats’ deeply troubled candidate — found nonetheless that he led by landslide proportions among the shrinking number of Americans who still read a newspaper, with a 70%-21% lead. It provides some context to the never-ending online chatter complaining about tepid “both sides” traditional newsrooms underplaying the threats to democracy posed by Trump. I agree these critiques are important — a bad New York Times headline sets the tone for the entire media ecosystem — but that’s not why Trump won. The now-president-elect, according to that NBC survey, posted his biggest margin of 53%-27% among voters who don’t follow any news. Trump’s win was a triumph of the ill-informed.

So the uninformed under-educated gullibles are now controlling the direction of the nation.

This is also evidence that Harris didn't run a bad campaign. Voters just preferred the lies.

I don't know how this trend can be countered.

 

[Elixir]

I don't know how this trend can be countered.

It can’t. People are naturally stupid. When fed a steady diet of stupid pills by lying media, they act even more stupid than they naturally are.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Tigers!]

This is also evidence that Harris didn't run a bad campaign. Voters just preferred the lies.

You obviously need a higher quality electorate.

I don't know how this trend can be countered.

And perhaps a group could be created to curate (weed) the vote to ensure that that only the correct candidate is chosen each time?

 

[barbos]

2024's other big loser? The mainstream media. Is there any path forward? | Will Bunch

As an electorate besieged by disinformation turned to Trump, trust in traditional media has imploded. What comes next?

www.inquirer.com

In October, a Reuters/Ipsos poll found a powerfully strong connection between people who believed provably false information and whether they planned to vote for Trump or Harris. For example, Democrats held a plus-65% advantage among voters who correctly said that big-city violent crime rates are at or near record lows, while Republicans led by 26% with voters insisting this was false. The same was true for 2024’s recent sharp drop in border crossings (true, plus-59% Democrat; false, plus-17% Republican) or the stock market’s current all-time high (true, plus-20% Democrat; false, plus-9% Republican).

This very much jibes with where voters get their news. An NBC News survey back in May — when Biden was still the Democrats’ deeply troubled candidate — found nonetheless that he led by landslide proportions among the shrinking number of Americans who still read a newspaper, with a 70%-21% lead. It provides some context to the never-ending online chatter complaining about tepid “both sides” traditional newsrooms underplaying the threats to democracy posed by Trump. I agree these critiques are important — a bad New York Times headline sets the tone for the entire media ecosystem — but that’s not why Trump won. The now-president-elect, according to that NBC survey, posted his biggest margin of 53%-27% among voters who don’t follow any news. Trump’s win was a triumph of the ill-informed.

So the uninformed under-educated gullibles are now controlling the direction of the nation.

This is also evidence that Harris didn't run a bad campaign. Voters just preferred the lies.

I don't know how this trend can be countered.

Following the news != informed

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This is also evidence that Harris didn't run a bad campaign. Voters just preferred the lies.

You obviously need a higher quality electorate.

A portion of the electorate has been getting spoonfed horseshit by Aussie owned media conglomerates for a couple decades, after/while being fed bullshit by American owned radio media conglomerates for 40 years. So yeah, the quality of the electorate has plummeted due to all the lying. But both sides and all.

I don't know how this trend can be countered.

And perhaps a group could be created to curate (weed) the vote to ensure that that only the correct candidate is chosen each time?

It was called the Electoral College. It didn't do its job. At least Trump won the popular vote this time.

 

[ZiprHead]

At least Trump won the popular vote this time.

I've heard that's not a sure thing yet.

 

[Elixir]

At least Trump won the popular vote this time.

I've heard that's not a sure thing yet.

Per AP, updated this morning, the apricot leads by more than 2.5 million idiots.
He has fallen below 50% though, so … mandate? Not so much.
But Murkins are obviously too stupid and misinformed for that nuance to be meaningful.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yeah, I'd say it seems pretty certain. Trump fell below 50% though. Not terribly relevant, but in a mainly 2 candidate race, sucks for the winner to be under 50%.

Texas went for 600k or 800k in 2020 for Trump to 1.6 million. 1.5 million difference in Florida. That was the big difference with 2020. Shaved votes everywhere else too. Tim Kaine won VA by 9 pts, Harris by 6 pts.

 

[Elixir]

in a mainly 2 candidate race, sucks for the winner to be under 50%.

Not as bad as it sucks when the loser wins the popular vote by three million.

 

[southernhybrid]

Those terrible illegal immigrants.

What Donald Trump Knew About Undocumented Workers at His Signature Tower

He has long denied knowingly using undocumented workers to demolish the building that would be replaced with Trump Tower

time.com

In the summer of 1980, Donald Trump faced a big problem. For six months, undocumented Polish laborers had been clearing the future site of Trump Tower, his signature real estate project on Manhattan’s Fifth Avenue, where he now lives, maintains his private offices and hosts his presidential campaign.

The men were putting in 12-hour shifts with inadequate safety equipment at subpar wages that their contractor paid sporadically, if at all. A lawyer for many of the Poles demanded that the workers be paid or else he would serve Trump with a lien on the property. One Polish worker even went to Trump’s office to ask him for money in person, according to sworn testimony and a deposition filed under oath in a court case.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/06/politics/trump-bedminster-club-undocumented-workers/index.html

This is old news and I remember when Trump claimed he knew nothing about the status of these workers, but who's willing to believe a pathological liar?

Diaz claimed to The Times that “there are many people without papers” and said she had witnessed several others hired though they were also undocumented.

The attorney for the two women accused their supervisor at Bedminster of not only knowing about their undocumented status but also abusing them and threatening to have them deported.

“While working at Donald Trump’s estate in Bedminster and interacting with the President and his immediate family, my clients and others were repeatedly subjected to abuse, called racial epithets and threatened with deportation,” said Anibal Romero in a statement Thursday.

“Ironically, the threats often came from the same supervisor who had employed them despite knowing their undocumented status and even provided them with forged documents,” she added. “This toxic environment was designed to intimidate these women, leaving them fearful for their safety and the safety of their families.”

 

[lostone]

Rules and laws are for other people, and are not anything for Trump to obey. We all know that, after having already seen how Trump operates when in power for four years.

 

[ZiprHead]

Prosecutors back delaying Trump sentence until he leaves White House

New York prosecutors have vowed to oppose President-elect Donald Trump’s effort to overturn his criminal conviction, but they expressed a willingness to wait to sentence him until he completes his upcoming presidential term.

Prosecutors urged the judge who is overseeing Trump's sentence after his guilty verdict to consider options other than dismissal, including holding off until the president-elect is scheduled to leave the White House in 2029.

Prosecutors back delaying Trump sentence until he leaves White House​

New York prosecutors have vowed to oppose President-elect Donald Trump’s effort to overturn his criminal conviction, however.
www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Shadowy Man]

Luckiest man on earth!

 

[Elixir]

prosecutors have vowed to oppose President-elect Donald Trump’s effort to overturn his criminal conviction, but they expressed a willingness to wait to sentence him until he completes his upcoming presidential term.

Oh great, give him another reason to never leave office.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

prosecutors have vowed to oppose President-elect Donald Trump’s effort to overturn his criminal conviction, but they expressed a willingness to wait to sentence him until he completes his upcoming presidential term.

Oh great, give him another reason to never leave office.

Trump was never going to jail over the bank fraud case. The issue is Trump would appeal the $250k or so in fines and that wouldn't happen while he was in the White House.

 

[ZiprHead]

So Morning Joe and Mika went to Mar A Lago to kiss Trump's ass. Trump immediately used humiliating language about them on Trothe Sential and they lost most of their audience in protest. Then Joe called the protesters stupid.

They're millionaires. I'm sure they will survive the loss of their program.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Things feel so much different this time around. In 2016, the Trump Campaign was caught by surprise in winning and was scrambling to get things. It was almost a sense of depressing bemusement to watch. This time around, they have a plan, many in the GOP are not saying a word, and the media is acting like he is a dictator already.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Pennsylvania race is down to 16,400 votes or about 0.25% difference. Assuming extrapolation of the portion of the 80k remaining being the same ratio as counted (and any court cases didn't exclude a notable percent remaining ballots), McCormack would win by about 8,000 votes or 0.12ish%. Recount is supposed to begin no later than today.

Casey came real close. Even at 0.1%, a turnaround in a recount is highly unlikely.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Pennsylvania race is down to 16,400 votes or about 0.25% difference. Assuming extrapolation of the portion of the 80k remaining being the same ratio as counted (and any court cases didn't exclude a notable percent remaining ballots), McCormack would win by about 8,000 votes or 0.12ish%. Recount is supposed to begin no later than today.

Casey came real close. Even at 0.1%, a turnaround in a recount is highly unlikely.

And the 16,000 or so ballot lead apparently was the final count for the first run. Some ballots must have been excluded with the PA court ruling. So a quarter of a percent lead gives the GOP the Senate seat in PA. While a "blue wall" state, PA has had GOP senators not too long ago, including Sen. Ridge and Santorum. With the confirmation process up ahead and a litany of insane policy ideas, every seat counts. This one seat will make things even harder for normalcy to stop radical legislation and insane nominations.

And it looks like the US House will be one seat majority smaller for the GOP. Dems look to have one pickup coming, the GOP get the last two. 221 to 214. The House seemed like a sure thing, but the GOP found seats to flip. Trump is claiming this was a mandate election. It wasn't. What it was, was a remarkably surgical performance by the GOP. Hitting specific demographics in specific areas, and targeting seats that weren't figured to be as vulnerable as they were. The Dems held actually pretty well in the Senate, with a terribly hostile map. But their Senate majority was incredibly slim to start with.

I'd say not getting the House was a major disappointment, but the US Senate is the bigger prize.