The Scandals begin

[southernhybrid]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-abc-region&region=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region

American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said.

The continuing counterintelligence investigation means that Mr. Trump will take the oath of office on Friday with his associates under investigation and after the intelligence agencies concluded that the Russian government had worked to help elect him. As president, Mr. Trump will oversee those agencies and have the authority to redirect or stop at least some of these efforts.

It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself. It is also unclear whether the inquiry has anything to do with an investigation into the hacking of the Democratic National Committee’s computers and other attempts to disrupt the elections in November. The American government has concluded that the Russian government was responsible for a broad computer hacking campaign, including the operation against the D.N.C.

Anybody like to predict if this will go anywhere or will Trump and company try to stop them before they get very far?

 

[southernhybrid]

But wait, there's more.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-international-hotel-ethics.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-abc-region&region=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region

With sirens blaring, a fleet of limousines and security personnel raced down Pennsylvania Avenue twice in less than 24 hours to deliver Donald J. Trump to inauguration events.

But he was not heading to the White House. He was going to Trump International Hotel.

It was a telling destination for those visits Wednesday night and Thursday afternoon. Perhaps more than any other location in Mr. Trump’s real estate empire, this 263-room hotel epitomizes the convergence of Donald Trump the global businessman and Donald Trump the president-elect.

Conflicts that for months have been theoretical are now about to become real — most immediately a possible challenge by the federal government. It owns the building that houses Mr. Trump’s hotel and has granted him a 60-year lease. From the moment he is sworn in as president at noon Friday, Mr. Trump may be in violation of that lease, given a provision that appears to prohibit federal elected officials from renting the Old Post Office building, the Pennsylvania Avenue landmark that houses the hotel, from the government.

Guests at the hotel include foreign diplomats and politicians who could be looking to curry favor with Mr. Trump — but even the act of paying their bills as they check out after the inauguration may open Mr. Trump to a challenge that he has violated the United States Constitution, which prohibits federal government officials from taking payments or gifts from foreign governments.

 

[blastula]

It's all about the grift for Trump.

 

[whichphilosophy]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-abc-region®ion=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region

American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said.

The continuing counterintelligence investigation means that Mr. Trump will take the oath of office on Friday with his associates under investigation and after the intelligence agencies concluded that the Russian government had worked to help elect him. As president, Mr. Trump will oversee those agencies and have the authority to redirect or stop at least some of these efforts.

It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself. It is also unclear whether the inquiry has anything to do with an investigation into the hacking of the Democratic National Committee’s computers and other attempts to disrupt the elections in November. The American government has concluded that the Russian government was responsible for a broad computer hacking campaign, including the operation against the D.N.C.

Anybody like to predict if this will go anywhere or will Trump and company try to stop them before they get very far?

Sounds like more dead ended drivel. Again it talks about
.......intercepted communications.......... part of a broad investigation int possible links.

The report is simply speculative at best.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/...on®ion=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region



Anybody like to predict if this will go anywhere or will Trump and company try to stop them before they get very far?

Sounds like more dead ended drivel. Again it talks about
.......intercepted communications.......... part of a broad investigation int possible links.

The report contains nothing conclusive

They are currently investigating it, there is no report yet.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Sounds like more dead ended drivel. Again it talks about
.......intercepted communications.......... part of a broad investigation int possible links.

The report contains nothing conclusive

They are currently investigating it, there is no report yet.

...... like the earlier reports.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

They are currently investigating it, there is no report yet.

So it's nothing to get excited about.

That they are looking into financial transactions would indicate that yes, there is something to get excited about.

Granted, the worst that can happen in that Pence becomes President (well that and some treason charges). So this isn't exactly much of a win for the plurality that voted for the other candidate.

 

[Elixir]

Estimates show more than 58 percent of eligible voters went to the polls during the 2016 election. He got 48 percent of them, or about 28% of eligible voters. His approval rating stands at 32% as of earlier today. That means that assuming that all those who voted for him still approve of the orange turd, less than 10% of those who didn't vote approve of him. Maybe that will get some of them off the dime next go-round.

Meanwhile, those who expect this administration to accomplish anything whatsoever by means other than force, are deluding themselves.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Estimates show more than 58 percent of eligible voters went to the polls during the 2016 election. He got 48 percent of them, or about 28% of eligible voters. His approval rating stands at 32% as of earlier today. That means that assuming that all those who voted for him still approve of the orange turd, less than 10% of those who didn't vote approve of him. Maybe that will get some of them off the dime next go-round.

Meanwhile, those who expect this administration to accomplish anything whatsoever by means other than force, are deluding themselves.

And oddly enough, the Executive Branch really doesn't have much force behind it, other than the military and setting some policies.

 

[Elixir]

Estimates show more than 58 percent of eligible voters went to the polls during the 2016 election. He got 48 percent of them, or about 28% of eligible voters. His approval rating stands at 32% as of earlier today. That means that assuming that all those who voted for him still approve of the orange turd, less than 10% of those who didn't vote approve of him. Maybe that will get some of them off the dime next go-round.

Meanwhile, those who expect this administration to accomplish anything whatsoever by means other than force, are deluding themselves.

And oddly enough, the Executive Branch really doesn't have much force behind it, other than the military and setting some policies.

If it comes down to it, expect the military to either be in the streets or to revolt against the orange buffoon. Trump has always used every means at his disposal to enrich himself and his clique of stupid billionaires - no reason to expect that to change.

 

[funinspace]

I wonder if we will get the first lawsuits filed next week against the new administration...? Or too soon?

 

[whichphilosophy]

Estimates show more than 58 percent of eligible voters went to the polls during the 2016 election. He got 48 percent of them, or about 28% of eligible voters. His approval rating stands at 32% as of earlier today. That means that assuming that all those who voted for him still approve of the orange turd, less than 10% of those who didn't vote approve of him. Maybe that will get some of them off the dime next go-round.

Meanwhile, those who expect this administration to accomplish anything whatsoever by means other than force, are deluding themselves.

Voter turnout was low in the previous presidential election in 2012.

Voter since 2004 was as follows with Obama's % as shown below
TURNOUT % % OF VOTES
2004 55.7%
2008 57.1% Obama 52.9% vs 45.7%
2012 54.9% Obama 51.1% vs 47.2%
2016 54.4% Trump 44.4% vs 47.2%

The turnout in 2012 and 2016 were almost the same.

Does this mean that Obama-Care was achieved by tanks and troops?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Estimates show more than 58 percent of eligible voters went to the polls during the 2016 election. He got 48 percent of them, or about 28% of eligible voters. His approval rating stands at 32% as of earlier today. That means that assuming that all those who voted for him still approve of the orange turd, less than 10% of those who didn't vote approve of him. Maybe that will get some of them off the dime next go-round.

Meanwhile, those who expect this administration to accomplish anything whatsoever by means other than force, are deluding themselves.

Voter turnout was low in the previous presidential election in 2012.

Voter since 2004 was as follows with Obama's % as shown below
TURNOUT % % OF VOTES
2004 55.7%
2008 57.1% Obama 52.9% vs 45.7%
2012 54.9% Obama 51.1% vs 47.2%
2016 54.4% Trump 44.4% vs 47.2%

The turnout in 2012 and 2016 were almost the same.

Does this mean that Obama-Care was achieved by tanks and troops?

Actually yes. The tanks and troops in the quagmire in Iraq really torqued Americans. This led to majorities in the House and Senate for the Democrats thanks to victories in '06 and '08.

 

[Elixir]

The tanks and troops in the quagmire in Iraq really torqued Americans. This led to majorities in the House and Senate for the Democrats thanks to victories in '06 and '08.

Yet Bush's approval rating was 62% when he was inaugurated, and 37% over his second term. Trump is already below the lowest of Bush's lows.
There's gonna be a fight... and it won't be restricted to the halls of congress.

 

[whichphilosophy]

So it's nothing to get excited about.

That they are looking into financial transactions would indicate that yes, there is something to get excited about.

Granted, the worst that can happen in that Pence becomes President (well that and some treason charges). So this isn't exactly much of a win for the plurality that voted for the other candidate.

The title of this thread is misleading It is apparently an investigation not a scandal

The definitions would be:
An action or event regarded as morally or legally wrong and causing general public outrage

Or
Rumour or malicious gossip about scandalous events or actions:

The problem with the government agencies they have been poor at investigating Clinton and Trump because they assume something, and publicise it before they find any evidence.

So far there is no evidence.
What the report actually says per the article is communications were intercepted and being investigated. This is done on speculation.

If the US agencies would like to understand how to detect crimes and Fraud, they can learn from the Hong Kong ICAC (Internal Commission on Crimes and Corruption). This body wiped out much of the main forms of corruption and criminal activity before the handover to China. It is supported by the Marine Police.

It's successful application is for its officials to keep quiet until there is clear evidence to put a case together for investigation and possible seizure of property.

Intercepting correspondences and then checking them is more like a fishing expediting and is poor investigation practice that is also slow and costs a lot of money for the tax payer.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Voter turnout was low in the previous presidential election in 2012.

Voter since 2004 was as follows with Obama's % as shown below
TURNOUT % % OF VOTES
2004 55.7%
2008 57.1% Obama 52.9% vs 45.7%
2012 54.9% Obama 51.1% vs 47.2%
2016 54.4% Trump 44.4% vs 47.2%

The turnout in 2012 and 2016 were almost the same.

Does this mean that Obama-Care was achieved by tanks and troops?

Actually yes. The tanks and troops in the quagmire in Iraq really torqued Americans. This led to majorities in the House and Senate for the Democrats thanks to victories in '06 and '08.

Tanks and troops were not used in the USA for instance. Obama-Care is good in principle. However it is costly, so to find a way to reduce costs the USA could consult Cuba which has 1 doctor per 1,000. However I don't think this will happen.

 

[whichphilosophy]

The tanks and troops in the quagmire in Iraq really torqued Americans. This led to majorities in the House and Senate for the Democrats thanks to victories in '06 and '08.

Yet Bush's approval rating was 62% when he was inaugurated, and 37% over his second term. Trump is already below the lowest of Bush's lows.
There's gonna be a fight... and it won't be restricted to the halls of congress.

You mean some idiots smashing up people's property like some did today? Anyway the polls predicting the results and there is a margin of error. Trump won the election under the US state by state system
So we have had recounts that meant nothing, unsupported claims that the Russians somehow influenced the elections with Trump somehow knowing and as expected there is something else in this thread unless it's a spoof.



The amount of people who turned up to vote in 2016 was only slightly lower than the previous election as I showed. So the bleating about low turnout is a meaningless part of a straw donkey argument

 

[Elixir]

Yet Bush's approval rating was 62% when he was inaugurated, and 37% over his second term. Trump is already below the lowest of Bush's lows.
There's gonna be a fight... and it won't be restricted to the halls of congress.

You mean some idiots smashing up people's property like some did today?

How many out of how many? Any shootings? Oh, never mind. I know you're only concerned with your precious shit.

The amount of people who turned up to vote in 2016 was only slightly lower than the previous re-election of an incumbent as I showed.

FIFY

 

[RavenSky]

I wonder if we will get the first lawsuits filed next week against the new administration...? Or too soon?

Next week?

Try "already"

Even before he takes the oath of office Friday, President-elect Donald Trump already is facing legal action.

The American Civil Liberties Union said it filed a Freedom of Information Act request late Thursday seeking information on conflicts of interest related to Mr. Trump’s and his family’s business interests. The organization, which established a new “Constitution Defense Fund” immediately after Mr. Trump’s election and has vowed to be a leader in the legal fight against the Trump White House, said the action will be the first of many.

“We are bringing this first legal action using the Freedom of Information Act to underscore the fact that President Trump is not above the law. Trump took the oath, but he didn’t take the steps necessary to ensure that he and his family’s business interests comply with the Constitution and other federal statutes,” said Anthony D. Romero, the ACLU’s executive director. “Freedom of information requests are our democracy’s X-ray, and they will be vitally important to expose and curb the abuses of a president who believes the rules don’t apply to him and his family.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/20/aclu-files-first-legal-action-against-trump/

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The actual attendance of the inauguration wasn't great. Trump didn't inspire many to show up to his revolution.


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