The Southern Border

[steve_bank]

A nybody think the condition at the border is ok> After all we need imigtants?

The reports are that to date this year there have been on the order of 1 million who crossed the border, not couning the ones who were not detected.

Illegals are living in the airport , stores, and on the streets in El Paso.

They cross the border, approach agents, and say 'I am here'.

Constitutionally ingratiation is controlled by by congress, not the president.

Is this a catastrophic crisis or isn't it. It is if you live on the border.

Where are all these uneducated popele without skills and Engkish going? They are likey going on taxpayer paid life support.

How much is enough?

 

[ZiprHead]

Illegals are living in the airport , stores, and on the streets in El Paso.

How do you know these people are here illegally?

We have Republicans that keep screaming "The borders are wide open!" What do you think people that want to come to the US think when they hear that?

 

[James Brown]

What's not reported is the numbers of people who leave the United States and go into Mexico. Most doors are two-directional after all.

There is No Crisis on the Southern Border. None.

Also, Border Cities Again See Low Violent Crime Rates

So if as many people are leaving the US as are coming in, and if immigrant-dominant cities have lower-than-average crime rates, and if US businesses don't pressure Congress to enact E-Verify (because they love a free-flowing source of cheap labor and don't want it to end)...

...then what's the problem?

 

[Politesse]

A nybody think the condition at the border is ok> After all we need imigtants?

The reports are that to date this year there have been on the order of 1 million who crossed the border, not couning the ones who were not detected.

Illegals are living in the airport , stores, and on the streets in El Paso.

They cross the border, approach agents, and say 'I am here'.

Constitutionally ingratiation is controlled by by congress, not the president.

Is this a catastrophic crisis or isn't it. It is if you live on the border.

Where are all these uneducated popele without skills and Engkish going? They are likey going on taxpayer paid life support.

How much is enough?

You'd be pretty damn upset if they all left, and you realized just how much of our economy is reliant on a constant stream of new migrant laborers. They are not "unskilled", their professions just aren't respected. But you are happy enough to eat the food they raise and harvest, to live in the buildings they construct, to use the materials and energy they mine, to toss the garbage and flush the toilets whose infrastructure they maintain... You don't care who does the work as long as it gets done, but you don't realize how completely dependent you are on the hard labor of the people you respect the least.

You can't type a post of any length without a million typos, but you'll trash talk the "Engkish" skills of someone who achieved fluency in a third language under desperate circumstances, more because they have the wrong skin color than because of any actual problem with their syntax. Ladies and gentleman, the modern Americal liberal.

 

[bigfield]

A nybody think the condition at the border is ok> After all we need imigtants?

The reports are that to date this year there have been on the order of 1 million who crossed the border, not couning the ones who were not detected.

Illegals are living in the airport , stores, and on the streets in El Paso.

They cross the border, approach agents, and say 'I am here'.

Constitutionally ingratiation is controlled by by congress, not the president.

Is this a catastrophic crisis or isn't it. It is if you live on the border.

Where are all these uneducated popele without skills and Engkish going? They are likey going on taxpayer paid life support.

How much is enough?

I would guess that most of the people migrating into the US this way will end up working shitty jobs that no-one else wants to do, and which only require the employee to speak either Spanish or English. I don't see any reason to believe that they would be work-shy.

The congestion in El Paso can be solved easily, and is already being solved by the city: provide mass transit options so that people leaving processing can quickly and easily move on to where-ever it is they need to go.

 

[ZiprHead]

I think someone been watching Fox News.

Fox News @ Night - Monday, December 19 | Fox News Video

Title 42, Migrants, NYC

www.foxnews.com

 

[Rhea]

Is this that trope about the “lazy” people who walked a thousand miles to get here? And how they are going to “steal all our jobs” while they lazily sit around on welfare?

It sounds kind of ridiculous.

 

[bilby]

Lazy good for nothings who steal all the jobs.

Because the reason your GED hasn't yet won you a plum job on the board of Apple or Google, is that Juan from Chihuahua, who speaks only three words of English, strolled across the border and took that job from right under your nose.

 

[steve_bank]

In the old economy these kinds of immigrants could find work and make a living, unskilled labor. That economy is no lng gone. When I was growig up in the NE it was not Latinos, it was Italians, Irish, Greeks, and others.

It has nothing to do with stereotype, race, s and tropes.

It is the scale of flow across he border. Some seem to willfully ignore the scale of the problem. When Texas and Flori sent tem tp NYC, NYX declared a crisis barbecue ther resources are overwhelmed.

Schools an hospitals are not fundedfor the increases in NYC and the border states.

 

[Gospel]

The real problem is not how secure the border is, or how many people are arrested and deported. The problem is that many need to migrate here in the first place. I can tell by how we treat our homeless here in America that the majority of us aren't interested in helping our own much less people from other countries. Just like homelessness, the problem of immigration won't decrease by improving the locks on our doors because we still have to go outside. One day you'll go outside and find that your whole neighborhood is a mess and learn that if you just did some basic community engagement things could have gone better. If European nations want to keep nice things they are going to have to realize that global stability needs to be a focus and I don't mean the ole exploitation focus yawl are used to. Many issues across the globe are caused by your involvement in destabilization one way or the other. Then it's "OH NOEZ WHY ARE THEY COMMING HERE?!?!" after screwing people over.

 

[Gun Nut]

In the old economy these kinds of immigrants could find work and make a living, unskilled labor. That economy is no lng gone. When I was growig up in the NE it was not Latinos, it was Italians, Irish, Greeks, and others.

It has nothing to do with stereotype, race, s and tropes.

It is the scale of flow across he border. Some seem to willfully ignore the scale of the problem. When Texas and Flori sent tem tp NYC, NYX declared a crisis barbecue ther resources are overwhelmed.

Schools an hospitals are not fundedfor the increases in NYC and the border states.

I "love" how the Repugnants scream at the top of their longs the lie that our boarders are "wide open", triggering a mass movement of people who believe them, and then scream (at the top of their lungs) how bad the situation is at the boarder that those vey own pieces of shit criminal bastards created in the first FUCKING place with their first fucking LIE!
Enough is enough... if you have a R in front of your name, you are a piece of shit criminal. done with that terrorist group... and I am done even listening to those CUNTS.

 

[Tigers!]

In the old economy these kinds of immigrants could find work and make a living, unskilled labor. That economy is no lng gone. When I was growig up in the NE it was not Latinos, it was Italians, Irish, Greeks, and others.

It has nothing to do with stereotype, race, s and tropes.

It is the scale of flow across he border. Some seem to willfully ignore the scale of the problem. When Texas and Flori sent tem tp NYC, NYX declared a crisis barbecue ther resources are overwhelmed.

Schools an hospitals are not fundedfor the increases in NYC and the border states.

I "love" how the Repugnants scream at the top of their longs the lie that our boarders are "wide open", triggering a mass movement of people who believe them, and then scream (at the top of their lungs) how bad the situation is at the boarder that those vey own pieces of shit criminal bastards created in the first FUCKING place with their first fucking LIE!
Enough is enough... if you have a R in front of your name, you are a piece of shit criminal. done with that terrorist group... and I am done even listening to those CUNTS.

Are you sure you have given us your complete and considered opinion of how you feel?
If not feel free to continue your venting.

 

[Ford]

Just like homelessness, the problem of immigration won't decrease by improving the locks on our doors because we still have to go outside. One day you'll go outside and find that your whole neighborhood is a mess and learn that if you just did some basic community engagement things could have gone better.

I admit my experience is way out of date, but I lived in El Paso back in the mid 90s. Was there a border? Yes. I went across into Mexico at least once a week, and while Juarez was not the nicest place, it was kind of like Detroit. So long as you don't wander into the bad parts of town, you were generally okay.

Was there a border problem? No. There was pretty free-flowing traffic (this was before 9/11 of course) either way, and it was nothing like the post-apocalyptic hellscape being described on right wing media at the moment.

I suspect that the "back way" I used to travel along the river from Juarez to my place on the west side is probably heavily fortified by now.

 

[Politesse]

It is the scale of flow across he border

If we didn't take us five years to process a single asylum claim, perhaps volume would be less of an issue.

But the claim that the southern border is some sort of lawless war zone is also a pure invention of the right wing media juggernaut. I live in a sanctuary city, and though it has many problems as a town, none of them is an unchecked horde of asylum seekers.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Just like homelessness, the problem of immigration won't decrease by improving the locks on our doors because we still have to go outside. One day you'll go outside and find that your whole neighborhood is a mess and learn that if you just did some basic community engagement things could have gone better.

I admit my experience is way out of date, but I lived in El Paso back in the mid 90s. Was there a border? Yes. I went across into Mexico at least once a week, and while Juarez was not the nicest place, it was kind of like Detroit. So long as you don't wander into the bad parts of town, you were generally okay.

Was there a border problem? No. There was pretty free-flowing traffic (this was before 9/11 of course) either way, and it was nothing like the post-apocalyptic hellscape being described on right wing media at the moment.

I suspect that the "back way" I used to travel along the river from Juarez to my place on the west side is probably heavily fortified by now.

I also lived in El Paso for a few years and regularly commuted along the Border Highway. Pretty much every time I'd see folks crossing into the U.S. I don't even know if there was a fence but there were obviously lots of people crossing illegally. That said there was no problem. It was a complete non-issue. I'd have to go back to see how things have changed but I really doubt it is any different except that maybe fences have been erected.

Juarez was always an adventure once you got used to seeing the open poverty that I found disturbing. But it made me understand the immigrant dilemma.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Where are all these uneducated popele without skills and Engkish going? They are likey going on taxpayer paid life support.

How much is enough?

Why do you think they are eligible for taxpayer support???

Asylum applications do not get you any welfare. They're either being supported by relatives or they're working illegally.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Juarez was always an adventure once you got used to seeing the open poverty that I found disturbing. But it made me understand the immigrant dilemma.

From comments I’ve read here and about, it’s my opinion many understand the dilemma without appreciating it. To day in and day out, live a life so precarious and the desperation that results.