The Super Secret Sisterhood

[AthenaAwakened]

THIS IS A RANT. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

Ok, here's the deal.

• There is no super sisterhood of women, never has been and never will be.
• Just like not every black person has black people's best interest at heart, not every woman has women's best interest at heart.
• Women tribe not with all other women, but with their men and other women who are like them.
• Good women can still disagree, jockey for position and wield power for themselves and their group. That's not hating other women, that's practicing politics.
• Women have no special morality, cordiality, or affection for all things wise and wonderful. Ovaries don't make you a saint. And that's a good thing 'cause life is hard, and saints are good at dying not fighting.
• 53 percent of the white women who voted in the 2016 presidential election voted for Donald Trump. They are not my sisters.
• When pregnant girls are put out of their churches, good Christian women don't stand and say, this is wrong. These women are not my sisters.
• Mothers to this day tell their daughters not to leave abusive husbands, just tough it out. These women are not my sisters.

I have sisters. They are usually the women other women shit on.

Sisterhood has to be intentional and accepting of and expecting sacrifice. That type of sisterhood does exists, but it exists because of work and thought and intentional spirit, not because of an X chromosome.

OK, I'm done.

 

[laughing dog]

I think this is a false flag operation.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

I think this is a false flag operation.

No, this is me being sick and tired of middle aged and old women attacking Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, along with other women in the freshman class, for coming into congress with agendas and not being afraid to say so. I'm tired of everyone from Whoopi Goldberg to faceless names on FaceBook telling these younger women to sit down and be quiet and fall into line behind Nancy Pelosi, who these older women worship as a force of nature but They have to protect because NP evidently can't withstand having a grown 29 year old woman act like a grown woman.

 

[AirPoh]

THIS IS A RANT. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

Ok, here's the deal.

• There is no super sisterhood of women, never has been and never will be.
• Just like not every black person has black people's best interest at heart, not every woman has women's best interest at heart.
• Women tribe not with all other women, but with their men and other women who are like them.
• Good women can still disagree, jockey for position and wield power for themselves and their group. That's not hating other women, that's practicing politics.
• Women have no special morality, cordiality, or affection for all things wise and wonderful. Ovaries don't make you a saint. And that's a good thing 'cause life is hard, and saints are good at dying not fighting.
• 53 percent of the white women who voted in the 2016 presidential election voted for Donald Trump. They are not my sisters.
• When pregnant girls are put out of their churches, good Christian women don't stand and say, this is wrong. These women are not my sisters.
• Mothers to this day tell their daughters not to leave abusive husbands, just tough it out. These women are not my sisters.

I have sisters. They are usually the women other women shit on.

Sisterhood has to be intentional and accepting of and expecting sacrifice. That type of sisterhood does exists, but it exists because of work and thought and intentional spirit, not because of an X chromosome.

OK, I'm done.

I'm going to assume you don't feel comfortable sharing was set off this rant, and I understand that. But I would like to ask one thing, this line "Ovaries don't make you a saint." Did you write that? If so can I write/use the masculine side of that "Testicles don't make you a Knight?"

 

[AthenaAwakened]

THIS IS A RANT. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

Ok, here's the deal.

• There is no super sisterhood of women, never has been and never will be.
• Just like not every black person has black people's best interest at heart, not every woman has women's best interest at heart.
• Women tribe not with all other women, but with their men and other women who are like them.
• Good women can still disagree, jockey for position and wield power for themselves and their group. That's not hating other women, that's practicing politics.
• Women have no special morality, cordiality, or affection for all things wise and wonderful. Ovaries don't make you a saint. And that's a good thing 'cause life is hard, and saints are good at dying not fighting.
• 53 percent of the white women who voted in the 2016 presidential election voted for Donald Trump. They are not my sisters.
• When pregnant girls are put out of their churches, good Christian women don't stand and say, this is wrong. These women are not my sisters.
• Mothers to this day tell their daughters not to leave abusive husbands, just tough it out. These women are not my sisters.

I have sisters. They are usually the women other women shit on.

Sisterhood has to be intentional and accepting of and expecting sacrifice. That type of sisterhood does exists, but it exists because of work and thought and intentional spirit, not because of an X chromosome.

OK, I'm done.

I'm going to assume you don't feel comfortable sharing was set off this rant, and I understand that. But I would like to ask one thing, this line "Ovaries don't make you a saint." Did you write that? If so can I write/use the masculine side of that "Testicles don't make you a Knight?"

Sure.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

THIS IS A RANT. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

Ok, here's the deal.

• There is no super sisterhood of women, never has been and never will be.
• Just like not every black person has black people's best interest at heart, not every woman has women's best interest at heart.
• Women tribe not with all other women, but with their men and other women who are like them.
• Good women can still disagree, jockey for position and wield power for themselves and their group. That's not hating other women, that's practicing politics.
• Women have no special morality, cordiality, or affection for all things wise and wonderful. Ovaries don't make you a saint. And that's a good thing 'cause life is hard, and saints are good at dying not fighting.
• 53 percent of the white women who voted in the 2016 presidential election voted for Donald Trump. They are not my sisters.
• When pregnant girls are put out of their churches, good Christian women don't stand and say, this is wrong. These women are not my sisters.
• Mothers to this day tell their daughters not to leave abusive husbands, just tough it out. These women are not my sisters.

I have sisters. They are usually the women other women shit on.

Sisterhood has to be intentional and accepting of and expecting sacrifice. That type of sisterhood does exists, but it exists because of work and thought and intentional spirit, not because of an X chromosome.

OK, I'm done.

100% agreed. And well said. Down with identity politics. Each woman can speak for herself. And you are no more or less of a woman for your beliefs, whatever they may be. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez is her own person, and should not have to "fall in line" behind any other woman just because she happens to also be a woman.

 

[Toni]

I think this is a false flag operation.

No, this is me being sick and tired of middle aged and old women attacking Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, along with other women in the freshman class, for coming into congress with agendas and not being afraid to say so. I'm tired of everyone from Whoopi Goldberg to faceless names on FaceBook telling these younger women to sit down and be quiet and fall into line behind Nancy Pelosi, who these older women worship as a force of nature but They have to protect because NP evidently can't withstand having a grown 29 year old woman act like a grown woman.

Sigh.

I personally have a hard time believing that 53 percent of white women who voted in the 2016 presidential election voted for Farty McFuckFace but whatever. I didn't and neither did any of my friends and only a couple of my female relatives by marriage.

I'm also an old white woman who adores Ocasio Cortez. I wish I lived in her state so that I could have voted for her. I'll just have to make do with the women who were elected in my state representing me. I think they'll get along pretty well with Ocasio Cortezand will do great things for our country. According to her twitter, Ocasio Cortez supports Nancy Pelosi as speaker. I'm...agnostic/fence sitting myself. I'm not a huge fan of anybody holding on to power too long and think that Pelosi perhaps has but on the other hand, she has raised a lot of money for the party. Of course, I'd much rather see money out of politics but that's probably coming sometime after I sprout wings.

Jeeze I thought we were past the days of pregnant girls being put out of anything.

As if I hadn't known this before but surely any of us with a functioning brain learned that two X chromosomes do not confer suitability for anything way back in the dark days of Sarah Palin. It's still disheartening to see the likes of Betsy DeVos and KellyAnn Conway and Sara Huckabee Sanders--and Ivanka, of course.

I am thrilled to see more women run for office and WIN even if they are not people I agree with. Because we all need to get on board with the idea that women are full fledged human beings and do not have to be perfect or saints in order to be elected. Same thing with persons of color. They can even be wrong--horrifically wrong, wrong headed, mistaken, flawed. And if they are wrong enough often enough, then we work like hell to vote them out and replace them with the best person for the job, no matter the gender, gender identity, sexual preferences, color of their skin, church/no church of choice, ethnicity, etc.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

They can even be wrong--horrifically wrong, wrong headed, mistaken, flawed. And if they are wrong enough often enough, then we work like hell to vote them out and replace them with the best person for the job, no matter the gender, gender identity, sexual preferences, color of their skin, church/no church of choice, ethnicity, etc.

Yes. Its almost like their gander and race doesn't matter and its their views and policies that matter. I think we may finally get there.

 

[dismal]

THIS IS A RANT. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

Ok, here's the deal.

• There is no super sisterhood of women, never has been and never will be.
• Just like not every black person has black people's best interest at heart, not every woman has women's best interest at heart.
• Women tribe not with all other women, but with their men and other women who are like them.
• Good women can still disagree, jockey for position and wield power for themselves and their group. That's not hating other women, that's practicing politics.
• Women have no special morality, cordiality, or affection for all things wise and wonderful. Ovaries don't make you a saint. And that's a good thing 'cause life is hard, and saints are good at dying not fighting.
• 53 percent of the white women who voted in the 2016 presidential election voted for Donald Trump. They are not my sisters.
• When pregnant girls are put out of their churches, good Christian women don't stand and say, this is wrong. These women are not my sisters.
• Mothers to this day tell their daughters not to leave abusive husbands, just tough it out. These women are not my sisters.

I have sisters. They are usually the women other women shit on.

Sisterhood has to be intentional and accepting of and expecting sacrifice. That type of sisterhood does exists, but it exists because of work and thought and intentional spirit, not because of an X chromosome.

OK, I'm done.

Down with identity politics. Each woman can speak for herself.

I dunno. I'm not sure if a long list of women you would cast out from the sisterhood for failing to conform to your standard of what a woman should be is exactly a call for less identity politics and more individual thought.

 

[laughing dog]

They can even be wrong--horrifically wrong, wrong headed, mistaken, flawed. And if they are wrong enough often enough, then we work like hell to vote them out and replace them with the best person for the job, no matter the gender, gender identity, sexual preferences, color of their skin, church/no church of choice, ethnicity, etc.

Yes. Its almost like their gander and race doesn't matter and its their views and policies that matter. I think we may finally get there.

Yeah, because as we all know, race or gender never influences one's views. For example, that is why in general (which means NOT ALL), men and women have the same views on sexual harassment and rape.

 

[Gun Nut]

I think this is a false flag operation.

No, this is me being sick and tired of middle aged and old women attacking Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, along with other women in the freshman class, for coming into congress with agendas and not being afraid to say so. I'm tired of everyone from Whoopi Goldberg to faceless names on FaceBook telling these younger women to sit down and be quiet and fall into line behind Nancy Pelosi, who these older women worship as a force of nature but They have to protect because NP evidently can't withstand having a grown 29 year old woman act like a grown woman.

The best reason to not support Nancy Pelosi is because our Republican Commander in Thief supports her. I would be super-suspicious of that if I were ya'll.

The time of thoughtful politics died during Dessert Storm (Bush Sr.), when cable news began the 24 hour news cycle that has lasted since then. It is about marketable politics, not thoughtful politics... the time for thoughtfulness is during your term, not during elections.

 

[AirPoh]

THIS IS A RANT. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

Ok, here's the deal.

• There is no super sisterhood of women, never has been and never will be.
• Just like not every black person has black people's best interest at heart, not every woman has women's best interest at heart.
• Women tribe not with all other women, but with their men and other women who are like them.
• Good women can still disagree, jockey for position and wield power for themselves and their group. That's not hating other women, that's practicing politics.
• Women have no special morality, cordiality, or affection for all things wise and wonderful. Ovaries don't make you a saint. And that's a good thing 'cause life is hard, and saints are good at dying not fighting.
• 53 percent of the white women who voted in the 2016 presidential election voted for Donald Trump. They are not my sisters.
• When pregnant girls are put out of their churches, good Christian women don't stand and say, this is wrong. These women are not my sisters.
• Mothers to this day tell their daughters not to leave abusive husbands, just tough it out. These women are not my sisters.

I have sisters. They are usually the women other women shit on.

Sisterhood has to be intentional and accepting of and expecting sacrifice. That type of sisterhood does exists, but it exists because of work and thought and intentional spirit, not because of an X chromosome.

OK, I'm done.

I'm going to assume you don't feel comfortable sharing was set off this rant, and I understand that. But I would like to ask one thing, this line "Ovaries don't make you a saint." Did you write that? If so can I write/use the masculine side of that "Testicles don't make you a Knight?"

Sure.

Thanks, and I hadn't seen you second post before I responded.

 

[AirPoh]

I think this is a false flag operation.

No, this is me being sick and tired of middle aged and old women attacking Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, along with other women in the freshman class, for coming into congress with agendas and not being afraid to say so. I'm tired of everyone from Whoopi Goldberg to faceless names on FaceBook telling these younger women to sit down and be quiet and fall into line behind Nancy Pelosi, who these older women worship as a force of nature but They have to protect because NP evidently can't withstand having a grown 29 year old woman act like a grown woman.

You do realize this story is as old as time don't you? Older folks forgetting what it's like to be young, and younger folks not having a clue what it's like to be older. I blame the older folks though, but they're right more often than not.

 

[ZiprHead]

I think this is a false flag operation.

No, this is me being sick and tired of middle aged and old women attacking Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, along with other women in the freshman class, for coming into congress with agendas and not being afraid to say so. I'm tired of everyone from Whoopi Goldberg to faceless names on FaceBook telling these younger women to sit down and be quiet and fall into line behind Nancy Pelosi, who these older women worship as a force of nature but They have to protect because NP evidently can't withstand having a grown 29 year old woman act like a grown woman.

The best reason to not support Nancy Pelosi is because our Republican Commander in Thief supports her. I would be super-suspicious of that if I were ya'll.

My first thought as well. Pelosi is great at steering legislation through congress. Standing up to lawlessness in the executive branch, not so much.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

THIS IS A RANT. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

Ok, here's the deal.

• There is no super sisterhood of women, never has been and never will be.
• Just like not every black person has black people's best interest at heart, not every woman has women's best interest at heart.
• Women tribe not with all other women, but with their men and other women who are like them.
• Good women can still disagree, jockey for position and wield power for themselves and their group. That's not hating other women, that's practicing politics.
• Women have no special morality, cordiality, or affection for all things wise and wonderful. Ovaries don't make you a saint. And that's a good thing 'cause life is hard, and saints are good at dying not fighting.
• 53 percent of the white women who voted in the 2016 presidential election voted for Donald Trump. They are not my sisters.
• When pregnant girls are put out of their churches, good Christian women don't stand and say, this is wrong. These women are not my sisters.
• Mothers to this day tell their daughters not to leave abusive husbands, just tough it out. These women are not my sisters.

I have sisters. They are usually the women other women shit on.

Sisterhood has to be intentional and accepting of and expecting sacrifice. That type of sisterhood does exists, but it exists because of work and thought and intentional spirit, not because of an X chromosome.

OK, I'm done.

Down with identity politics. Each woman can speak for herself.

I dunno. I'm not sure if a long list of women you would cast out from the sisterhood for failing to conform to your standard of what a woman should be is exactly a call for less identity politics and more individual thought.

What sisterhood?

 

[Toni]

They can even be wrong--horrifically wrong, wrong headed, mistaken, flawed. And if they are wrong enough often enough, then we work like hell to vote them out and replace them with the best person for the job, no matter the gender, gender identity, sexual preferences, color of their skin, church/no church of choice, ethnicity, etc.

Yes. Its almost like their gander and race doesn't matter and its their views and policies that matter. I think we may finally get there.

Yeah, because as we all know, race or gender never influences one's views. For example, that is why in general (which means NOT ALL), men and women have the same views on sexual harassment and rape.

And why all you nice men have been sooooooo great at looking after us poor little helpless womenfolk, especially making sure we aren't doing jobs that are too much for our poor little heads and bodies to handle. Or interfere with cleaning your home, doing your laundry and making your meals.

 

[southernhybrid]

I'm old. I'm white. I didn't vote for Trump, and neither did any of my male or female white friends. All but one of my white friends, and every single one of my black friends voted for Stacey Abrams for governor. I gave money to her campaign. I asked total strangers to support her. I'm heartbroken that she lost, primarily because of all the obvious attempts by her opponent to suppress the vote, but also because she's a brilliant person with good ideas. Oh, and all of my white male friends voted for Stacey too. I'm still grieving a little but I'm pretty sure she is going to run again. She hinted that she may run in 2020. I'm guessing for Senator.

But, I do think Nancy Pelosi should be speaker for a little bit longer, not because I worship her, but because she is extremely experienced and very tough. Those who oppose her don't even have a viable replacement in mind and most of her opposition are men. The main group that opposes her refer to themselves as "the five white guys". That tells me a lot. I'm not suggesting Democratic women should be sheep, but there are times when we must be united to fight the power.

Trump doesn't really like her. He just says that because he's afraid of her. She has what it takes to whip his sorry ass, which is why I think we need her, at least until she can help prepare a younger speaker to take her place. It's good to have both older and younger women working together for the common good, even if there are times when we're not totally all in with it.

That's my little mini rant.

 

[bilby]

Yup. For every Julia Gillard there's a Pauline Hanson. For every Jacinda Ardern, there's a Teresa May. For every Helen Clark, there's a Margaret Thatcher.

Being a woman neither makes you a good politician nor a bad one. Being a good politician requires being a good person, not any particular arrangement of reproductive organs.

 

[Toni]

Yup. For every Julia Gillard there's a Pauline Hanson. For every Jacinda Ardern, there's a Teresa May. For every Helen Clark, there's a Margaret Thatcher.

Being a woman neither makes you a good politician nor a bad one. Being a good politician requires being a good person, not any particular arrangement of reproductive organs.

I think one can be a good politician and a bad person. But you need to be a good person to be a good leader or a good legislator.

 

[dismal]

I'm old. I'm white. I didn't vote for Trump, and neither did any of my male or female white friends. All but one of my white friends, and every single one of my black friends voted for Stacey Abrams for governor. I gave money to her campaign. I asked total strangers to support her. I'm heartbroken that she lost, primarily because of all the obvious attempts by her opponent to suppress the vote, but also because she's a brilliant person with good ideas. Oh, and all of my white male friends voted for Stacey too. I'm still grieving a little but I'm pretty sure she is going to run again. She hinted that she may run in 2020. I'm guessing for Senator.

But, I do think Nancy Pelosi should be speaker for a little bit longer, not because I worship her, but because she is extremely experienced and very tough. Those who oppose her don't even have a viable replacement in mind and most of her opposition are men. The main group that opposes her refer to themselves as "the five white guys". That tells me a lot. I'm not suggesting Democratic women should be sheep, but there are times when we must be united to fight the power.

Trump doesn't really like her. He just says that because he's afraid of her. She has what it takes to whip his sorry ass, which is why I think we need her, at least until she can help prepare a younger speaker to take her place. It's good to have both older and younger women working together for the common good, even if there are times when we're not totally all in with it.

That's my little mini rant.

It's OK you and all the white people here who conform are in the sisterhood.