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The trials of the Capitol assaulters

In most places for most of history they wouldn't have gotten off the Capitol steps alive.
I doubt it.
According to standards upheld by many on this board, the cops had a right to open fire but surprisingly did not (except in one case).
There was definitely a Gandalf line where the shooting occurred. The security ceded territory where they could, but there were lines not to be crossed. The shooting of the rioter unstiffened some of the Capitol Riot rage boners rather quick. They started thinking, instead of just acting out.

The funny thing is, if this was really a revolution to really stop the theft of an election, they wouldn't have stopped. It was almost like just then they realized it was a all a lie and not worth dying over. Our revolutionists had a, but brief, moment of clarity. Meanwhile the idiots in another area, now realizing their revolution was failed, devolved into a Fraternity film of mischief.

This is what happens when mobs calm down. They stop acting like an irrational whole, and start thinking a bit more as individuals. This is why inciting mobs is against the law. Too bad the GOP didn't hold anyone to the damn fire for it.
 
Last night I read quite a bit about the life of Peltier and I've decided that anyone with an ounce of compassion would agree that he has served far more than necessary. When he was a boy, he was taken away from his tribe, and forced to attend a white school, in an attempt to force him to give up his Native American Culture.
How does that justify murder?
As a young adult, he became an activist to work against the brutality that many Native American were facing from the police.
Activist? You mean terrorist.
He didn't have a fair trial as a lot of evidence wasn't permitted to be shown. While he did admit guilt, I'm sure well informed Americans know that sometimes people are treated in ways that lead them to exhaustion and they admit guilt to crimes they never committed.
He also admitted he did it to Anna Mae Aquash (a fellow AIMer), who then was executed by AIM members when they started suspecting taht she was an informant, with possible (probable?) involvement by Peltier.
In These Times said:
Specifically, [Ka-Mook Nichols] stated that in the months following the shooting, Peltier, speaking to Pictou-Aquash and her, said of one of the FBI agents, “The motherfucker was begging for his life, but I shot him anyway.” With regard to Pictou-Aquash, whom some AIM leaders mistakenly believed was an FBI informant, Nichols said Peltier told her “he believed she was a fed and that he was going to get some truth serum and give it to her so that she would tell the truth.”
The Truth About Leonard
Peltier has been the darling of the LWNJs and also of the glitterati like Marlon Brando, but he is really a piece of shit.

So, regardless of how I might sometimes feel about our constitution permitting presidential pardons, I think commuting the prison sentence of Peltier was the right thing to do. In fact, I think it should have been done years ago, all things considered.
Would you feel the same if it was a white nationalist and not an Amerindian nationalist under similar circumstances, i.e. admits to shootout (and thus felony murder) but officially denies the execution style murder, but then again there is witness, a fellow white nationalist, who claims that he admitted to executing the agents even though one of them was "begging for his life"?
The first was an unjust act, and the second was an act of compassion.
I say both were unjust acts.
And, these so called violent militias are now permitted to get some "mothafuckin" guns. Just what do you think they might have in mind?
Maybe they can fight the militias who were not even prosecuted for their insurrectionist occupations of sovereign US territory in places like Seattle and Atlanta in 2020.
I was going to respond to your post, but I will add some information. Perhaps it you give this more thought, you will realize why this man's sentence was changed from prison to confinement to home. Why isn't 50 years in prison enough for a murder that the offender may not even have committed. And, even if he did, I think 50 years is more than enough of a sentence, especially when the person is 80 years old and in poor health. He was not pardoned. He must be confined to home.

https://nativenewsonline.net/curren...on-after-50-years-as-biden-grants-commutation

A White House statement cited Peltier's advanced age, deteriorating health, and the extensive support for his release from tribal nations, Nobel Peace laureates, former law enforcement officials, and human rights organizations.


"This commutation will enable Mr. Peltier to spend his remaining days in home confinement but will not pardon him for his underlying crimes," according to the White House statement.

The decision comes after decades of campaigns by Native American leaders and organizations who have questioned the fairness of Peltier's trial and conviction. Even the former U.S. Attorney whose office handled Peltier's prosecution and appeal supported granting clemency.

The White House noted Peltier's "close ties to and leadership in the Native American community" as a factor in the decision.

The commutation of Peltier’s sentence comes after increased advocacy from tribal leaders, congressional members, human rights advocates and even former prosecutors who were involved in the case.

Even some of those who prosecuted him, as well as some in law enforcement supported his release so he can spend his remaining life in home confinement

This reminds me a bit of a home health patient who I visited in Greenville, SC in t he 80s, who had been given an early release. He was also convicted of murder, but was about 80 and in failing health. He lived in a poverty stricken, high crime neighborhood, but among the gangs and violence, lived some of the dearest, kindest people I ever visited. The man's neighbors came to his home and helped care for him, and I was very touched by their compassion. Sadly, some people lack compassion, are unforgiving and think everything who commits a crime should be brutally punished.

Why isn't 50 years enough of a punishment for a murder that may not have even been committed by the person convicted? He didn't receive a fair trial according to some sources and no he was not a terrorist. He was an activist. Back in those days, it was the police who often acted like terrorists, especially when it came to the way they often treated Native Americans. So, your attitude shows a complete lack of understanding and compassion.
 
Last night I read quite a bit about the life of Peltier and I've decided that anyone with an ounce of compassion would agree that he has served far more than necessary. When he was a boy, he was taken away from his tribe, and forced to attend a white school, in an attempt to force him to give up his Native American Culture.
How does that justify murder?
As a young adult, he became an activist to work against the brutality that many Native American were facing from the police.
Activist? You mean terrorist.
He didn't have a fair trial as a lot of evidence wasn't permitted to be shown. While he did admit guilt, I'm sure well informed Americans know that sometimes people are treated in ways that lead them to exhaustion and they admit guilt to crimes they never committed.
He also admitted he did it to Anna Mae Aquash (a fellow AIMer), who then was executed by AIM members when they started suspecting taht she was an informant, with possible (probable?) involvement by Peltier.
In These Times said:
Specifically, [Ka-Mook Nichols] stated that in the months following the shooting, Peltier, speaking to Pictou-Aquash and her, said of one of the FBI agents, “The motherfucker was begging for his life, but I shot him anyway.” With regard to Pictou-Aquash, whom some AIM leaders mistakenly believed was an FBI informant, Nichols said Peltier told her “he believed she was a fed and that he was going to get some truth serum and give it to her so that she would tell the truth.”
The Truth About Leonard
Peltier has been the darling of the LWNJs and also of the glitterati like Marlon Brando, but he is really a piece of shit.

So, regardless of how I might sometimes feel about our constitution permitting presidential pardons, I think commuting the prison sentence of Peltier was the right thing to do. In fact, I think it should have been done years ago, all things considered.
Would you feel the same if it was a white nationalist and not an Amerindian nationalist under similar circumstances, i.e. admits to shootout (and thus felony murder) but officially denies the execution style murder, but then again there is witness, a fellow white nationalist, who claims that he admitted to executing the agents even though one of them was "begging for his life"?
The first was an unjust act, and the second was an act of compassion.
I say both were unjust acts.
And, these so called violent militias are now permitted to get some "mothafuckin" guns. Just what do you think they might have in mind?
Maybe they can fight the militias who were not even prosecuted for their insurrectionist occupations of sovereign US territory in places like Seattle and Atlanta in 2020.
I was going to respond to your post, but I will add some information. Perhaps it you give this more thought, you will realize why this man's sentence was changed from prison to confinement to home. Why isn't 50 years in prison enough for a murder that the offender may not even have committed. And, even if he did, I think 50 years is more than enough of a sentence, especially when the person is 80 years old and in poor health. He was not pardoned. He must be confined to home.

https://nativenewsonline.net/curren...on-after-50-years-as-biden-grants-commutation

A White House statement cited Peltier's advanced age, deteriorating health, and the extensive support for his release from tribal nations, Nobel Peace laureates, former law enforcement officials, and human rights organizations.


"This commutation will enable Mr. Peltier to spend his remaining days in home confinement but will not pardon him for his underlying crimes," according to the White House statement.

The decision comes after decades of campaigns by Native American leaders and organizations who have questioned the fairness of Peltier's trial and conviction. Even the former U.S. Attorney whose office handled Peltier's prosecution and appeal supported granting clemency.

The White House noted Peltier's "close ties to and leadership in the Native American community" as a factor in the decision.

The commutation of Peltier’s sentence comes after increased advocacy from tribal leaders, congressional members, human rights advocates and even former prosecutors who were involved in the case.

Even some of those who prosecuted him, as well as some in law enforcement supported his release so he can spend his remaining life in home confinement

This reminds me a bit of a home health patient who I visited in Greenville, SC in t he 80s, who had been given an early release. He was also convicted of murder, but was about 80 and in failing health. He lived in a poverty stricken, high crime neighborhood, but among the gangs and violence, lived some of the dearest, kindest people I ever visited. The man's neighbors came to his home and helped care for him, and I was very touched by their compassion. Sadly, some people lack compassion, are unforgiving and think everything who commits a crime should be brutally punished.

Why isn't 50 years enough of a punishment for a murder that may not have even been committed by the person convicted? He didn't receive a fair trial according to some sources and no he was not a terrorist. He was an activist. Back in those days, it was the police who often acted like terrorists, especially when it came to the way they often treated Native Americans. So, your attitude shows a complete lack of understanding and compassion.
Still, you have to recognize that after Vlad the Impaler murdered/impaled 150 of his former rivals that he had invited to dinner, and left them impaled on stakes to rot in the sun, there wasn’t a lot of crime against his State in the ensuing months.
 
Guess who doesn't like those pardons?

Police union that endorsed Trump blasts Jan. 6 pardons
President Trump's near-total pardon of Jan. 6 rioters was denounced by the Fraternal Order of Police, the largest police union in the U.S., and the International Association of Chiefs of Police on Tuesday.

The big picture: The groups said they're deeply discouraged by pardons and commutations made by both the Biden and Trump administrations of individuals convicted of killing or assaulting law enforcement officers.
Trump's pardons for rioters 'disturbing,' former top Jan. 6 prosecutor says - ABC News
"It's disturbing because what it says to the victims, to the officers who put their lives on the line that day to defend the country, and also to the officers who then went and told their stories and testified in court — reliving the trauma of that day over and over and subjected themselves to cross-examination," Alexis Loeb, who oversaw multiple high profile Jan. 6 cases during her time as deputy chief of the office's Capitol Breach section, told ABC news.
Law enforcement groups criticize Trump pardons for Jan. 6 - Roll Call
The Capitol Police union and other law enforcement groups sharply criticized President Donald Trump’s pardons for his supporters who attacked the Capitol building on Jan. 6, 2021, a move that cut against years of pro-police messaging from Republican members of Congress.

The union wrote in a statement Tuesday that political leaders should not excuse violence against law enforcement officers in the line of duty. Officers defended the building and the members of Congress during the violent attack.

“This use of presidential power is not what Americans want to see and it’s not what law enforcement officers deserve,” the Capitol Police union said.

Capitol Police Chief J. Thomas Manger, in a CBS interview, said the president’s action “sends the message that politics is more important than policing, and my officers go out there every day and enforce the law impartially.”

The DC Police Union, which represents officers, detectives and sergeants in the Metropolitan Police Department, expressed “dismay” over the recent pardons granted to people convicted of assaulting officers during the 2021 attack.

“Anyone who assaults a law enforcement officer should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, without exception,” a statement from the union said.
Some Congressional Republicans didn't like those pardons.
Rep. Don Bacon, R-Neb., said he wishes the pardons were more targeted. People who did not vandalize property should get some mercy, but that should not extend to people who hit police or broke windows.

“Republicans want to be the pro-law enforcement party,” he said. “I think all the labor unions that support law enforcement support us and we should protect that.”

Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, denounced the pardons for violent offenders who assaulted law enforcement.

“The Capitol Police officers are the backbone of Congress— every day they protect and serve the halls of democracy,” she said in a social media post Wednesday.
 
Guess who doesn't like those pardons?

Police union that endorsed Trump blasts Jan. 6 pardons
President Trump's near-total pardon of Jan. 6 rioters was denounced by the Fraternal Order of Police, the largest police union in the U.S., and the International Association of Chiefs of Police on Tuesday.

The big picture: The groups said they're deeply discouraged by pardons and commutations made by both the Biden and Trump administrations of individuals convicted of killing or assaulting law enforcement officers.
Trump's pardons for rioters 'disturbing,' former top Jan. 6 prosecutor says - ABC News
"It's disturbing because what it says to the victims, to the officers who put their lives on the line that day to defend the country, and also to the officers who then went and told their stories and testified in court — reliving the trauma of that day over and over and subjected themselves to cross-examination," Alexis Loeb, who oversaw multiple high profile Jan. 6 cases during her time as deputy chief of the office's Capitol Breach section, told ABC news.
Law enforcement groups criticize Trump pardons for Jan. 6 - Roll Call
The Capitol Police union and other law enforcement groups sharply criticized President Donald Trump’s pardons for his supporters who attacked the Capitol building on Jan. 6, 2021, a move that cut against years of pro-police messaging from Republican members of Congress.

The union wrote in a statement Tuesday that political leaders should not excuse violence against law enforcement officers in the line of duty. Officers defended the building and the members of Congress during the violent attack.

“This use of presidential power is not what Americans want to see and it’s not what law enforcement officers deserve,” the Capitol Police union said.

Capitol Police Chief J. Thomas Manger, in a CBS interview, said the president’s action “sends the message that politics is more important than policing, and my officers go out there every day and enforce the law impartially.”

The DC Police Union, which represents officers, detectives and sergeants in the Metropolitan Police Department, expressed “dismay” over the recent pardons granted to people convicted of assaulting officers during the 2021 attack.

“Anyone who assaults a law enforcement officer should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, without exception,” a statement from the union said.
Some Congressional Republicans didn't like those pardons.
Rep. Don Bacon, R-Neb., said he wishes the pardons were more targeted. People who did not vandalize property should get some mercy, but that should not extend to people who hit police or broke windows.

“Republicans want to be the pro-law enforcement party,” he said. “I think all the labor unions that support law enforcement support us and we should protect that.”

Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, denounced the pardons for violent offenders who assaulted law enforcement.

“The Capitol Police officers are the backbone of Congress— every day they protect and serve the halls of democracy,” she said in a social media post Wednesday.
Fuck that police union - Trump said he would do it and they still endorsed him. Fuck Don Bacon for supporting Trump. Hell, at least Sen Murkowski voted to impeach him.
 
Project 2025 recommended pardons on a case-by-case basis. Trump toyed with the idea and then selected the "fuckit" option. It's not like he has to face reelection again. The only people who could do anything about getting rid of him are either too cowardly or fine with all of it.
 
Project 2025 recommended pardons on a case-by-case basis. Trump toyed with the idea and then selected the "fuckit" option. It's not like he has to face reelection again. The only people who could do anything about getting rid of him are either too cowardly or fine with all of it.
It seemed he had no idea what he was doing. When asked about whether it was wrong to assault police officers he said “sure” and then asked about pardoning someone who used a taser on the neck of officer Fanone he said “we’ll look into it”. Look into it??? He already pardoned the guy!!
 
Project 2025 recommended pardons on a case-by-case basis. Trump toyed with the idea and then selected the "fuckit" option. It's not like he has to face reelection again. The only people who could do anything about getting rid of him are either too cowardly or fine with all of it.
It seemed he had no idea what he was doing. When asked about whether it was wrong to assault police officers he said “sure” and then asked about pardoning someone who used a taser on the neck of officer Fanone he said “we’ll look into it”. Look into it??? He already pardoned the guy!!

Guys... while that is contradictory and seems to indicate neglect, laziness, or dementia, I don't think that is where we are. Trump saw what they were doing when they did it. He refused to tell them to stop through social media. Then he said they were patriots. Then, hostages. Most recently, he called it a day of love. He is completely okay with violence in his interests and letting these people go allows a violent option and greater opportunity to harass people in his name. He is aware of that and that's why they have a pardon.
 
It is often hard to tell the difference between genius and madness.

Trump's tariff crap is just his typical bully in business tactic. His outlandish lies often are inspired by the truth. For Trump, perception is everything, truth is irrelevant.
 
Project 2025 recommended pardons on a case-by-case basis. Trump toyed with the idea and then selected the "fuckit" option. It's not like he has to face reelection again. The only people who could do anything about getting rid of him are either too cowardly or fine with all of it.
That is a bit harsh. Trump said he was not going to follow Project 2025. In order to keep his campaign promise, he had to pardon everyone!!!!
 
Project 2025 recommended pardons on a case-by-case basis. Trump toyed with the idea and then selected the "fuckit" option. It's not like he has to face reelection again. The only people who could do anything about getting rid of him are either too cowardly or fine with all of it.
So he got lazy. Some work ethic. 😛

Why do other Republicans put up with him? Some of them are tons more diligent like what he seems to be. Like Mitch McConnell, someone who talks about playing the long game, and someone who reportedly collects his scrap paper so that nobody can spy on him by looking in his trashcans.
 
Project 2025 recommended pardons on a case-by-case basis. Trump toyed with the idea and then selected the "fuckit" option. It's not like he has to face reelection again. The only people who could do anything about getting rid of him are either too cowardly or fine with all of it.
So he got lazy. Some work ethic. 😛

Why do other Republicans put up with him? Some of them are tons more diligent like what he seems to be. Like Mitch McConnell, someone who talks about playing the long game, and someone who reportedly collects his scrap paper so that nobody can spy on him by looking in his trashcans.
My guess is Trump has a shit ton of incriminating evidence against a lot of Republicans. Do my bidding or I will release the evidence of your kink/transgressions/infidelities. I also suspect much of it was supplied by Russia.
 
Project 2025 recommended pardons on a case-by-case basis. Trump toyed with the idea and then selected the "fuckit" option. It's not like he has to face reelection again. The only people who could do anything about getting rid of him are either too cowardly or fine with all of it.
So he got lazy. Some work ethic. 😛

Why do other Republicans put up with him? Some of them are tons more diligent like what he seems to be. Like Mitch McConnell, someone who talks about playing the long game, and someone who reportedly collects his scrap paper so that nobody can spy on him by looking in his trashcans.
My guess is Trump has a shit ton of incriminating evidence against a lot of Republicans. Do my bidding or I will release the evidence of your kink/transgressions/infidelities. I also suspect much of it was supplied by Russia.

What's ironic is that there is likely 100 times as much incriminating evidence against Trump but his cult considers it a good thing.
 
Philadelphia DA Larry Krasner wants to prosecute January 6ers himself.

After January 6th pardons, DA Larry Krasner looks to state charges

Mind you, this is one of the fauxgressive DAs who does not even want to prosecute much of the crime in his district (for example teenage car thieves get "diversion"). But now he wants to go on a fishing expedition to investigate people to try to find anything he can throw at the wall and make stick.

Yeah, instead of going after white nationalist insurrectionists, he should be going after #BLMers and illegal aliens!!! After all, jails and prisons aren’t full enough.
 
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