The vast economic downside of deporting and/or substantially limiting immigrants into the US

[southernhybrid]

https://www.socialworkers.org/Advoc...ic-Consequences-of-a-Mass-Deportation-Program

This article discusses the negative impact of past deportations as well as what the impact could be if Trump gets his way. There is lots of information out there, but some of you don't seem to want to read it or do a little of your own DD.

Background and History of Mass Deportation Policies​

The notion of employing mass deportation as a solution to immigration policy disputes has a complex—and often ugly—history, dating back as early as 1794 with the state of Massachusetts passing a deportation law targeting poor Irish immigrants.

However, it was In the 1880s when U.S. deportation policies focused on large-scale expulsion of noncitizens motivated by racial and ethnic prejudices—mainly targeting Asians. The Chinese Exclusion Act, passed in 1882, declared a10-year ban on Chinese laborers immigrating to the United States. The flimsy premise for implementing the Chinese Exclusion Act was that it “endangered the good order of certain localities.”

In the 1920s, those of Mexican decent became the objects of large-scale mass deportation. In an effort to remove noncitizen Mexicans, law makers expanded existing deportation policy to make “post-entry infractions” deportable offenses. Under this expanded deportation policy, immigration authorities aimed their enforcement actions mostly at Mexican “immigrants.” There is little doubt that such actions were taken “on racial grounds, for racist reasons.” The direct consequences of this policy were that the numbers of Mexicans deported steadily increased—eventually reaching as many as a million people a year. To make matters worse, many Mexican Americans who were caught up in the sweeps and raids not only were U.S. citizens, but can trace their heritage in what is now the United States back many centuries.

Deportation of noncitizen Mexicans and Mexican Americans continued in the 1930s. During the Great Depression, as many as 2 million were deported from the United States to Mexico. More disturbing, it has been estimated that close to 60 percent of those deported were U.S. citizens, many of whom were born in the United States.

It would not surprise me if Trump deported citizens and/or green card holders, perhaps due to incompetence, but he's such a hater of poor minorities, there is no telling what he really wants. Plus, he's obviously deranged so we can't trust anything he says he will do as he changes his mind by the day or hour. It's as if he's running a reality tv show instead of a large country.

 

[RVonse]

Will all the useless shit Americans buy will still be available for cheap? Hard to say.

All the useless shit Americans will spend more time working after the immigrants who leave those jobs cause a shortage of workers and higher wages. Then those useless shit Americans will be working instead of loitering in Wal Mart trying to be the first to bring home the cheapest crap that breaks down immediately and then clutters up their homes.

But how will this be bad for America? I'm not sure how more useless shit Americans working is bad.

 

[RVonse]

Anyone with at least an average IQ realized that deporting or substantially limiting new immigrants into the US would eventually have a negative impact on our economy, but the evidence is starting to become apparent. I will "gift" an article that goes into a lot of detail regarding this problem and hope others will find more sources regarding this issue.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/09/...e_code=1.2k4.7YJ8.dAbiyLZnNAHO&smid=url-share

Fearing roundups, many immigrants are staying home. Construction, agriculture, senior care and hospitality employers say labor shortages will worsen.

The railroad tracks that slice through downtown Freehold, N.J., used to be lined by dozens of men, waiting for work. Each morning, the men — day laborers, almost all from Latin America and undocumented — would be scooped up by local contractors in pickup trucks for jobs painting, landscaping, removing debris.

In recent weeks, the tracks have been desolate. On a gray February morning, a laborer named Mario, who came from Mexico two decades ago, said it was the quietest he could remember.

“Because of the president, we have a fear,” said Mario, 55, who agreed to be interviewed on the condition that only his first name would be used because he is undocumented. His two sons are also in the United States illegally; one works in paving, the other in home construction. “We are in difficult times,” he said.

This scene has been playing out on the streets of Freehold, on the farms of California’s Central Valley, in nursing homes in Arizona, in Georgia poultry plants and in Chicago restaurants.


Fear has gripped America’s undocumented workers. Many are staying home.

The impact is being felt not only in immigrant homes and communities, but also in the industries that rely on immigrants as a source of willing and inexpensive labor, including residential construction, agriculture, senior care and hospitality. American consumers will soon feel the pain.

“Businesses across industries know what comes next when their work force disappears — restaurants, coffee shops and grocery stores struggling to stay open, food prices soaring, and everyday Americans demanding action,” said Rebecca Shi, chief executive of the American Business Immigration Coalition.

An estimated 20 percent of the U.S. labor force is foreign born, and millions of immigrant workers lack legal immigration status.Hundreds of thousands more have been shielded from deportation and have work permits under a program called temporary protected status, offered to nationals of countries in upheaval, which has enabled corporate giants like Amazon and large commercial builders to hire them. But Mr. Trump has already announced that he will phase out the program, starting with Venezuelan and Haitian beneficiaries.

Refugees from around the globe, who have settled in the United States after fleeing persecution, have supplied a steady pipeline of low-skilled labor for poultry plants, warehouses and manufacturing. But that pipeline could dry up since Mr. Trump shut down the U.S. refugee program. Last month, a federal judge restored it temporarily while a lawsuit is pending, but the program remains at a standstill and no refugees are arriving.

The White House did not respond to questions about the strategy of deportations and how the Trump administration envisions filling the gaps left behind by the immigrant work force.

Leaders of industries that are the most exposed warn that the impact will be widespread, with far-reaching consequences for consumers and employers.

Kezia Scales, vice president at PHI, a national research and advocacy organization focused on long-term care for older adults and people with disabilities, said her industry was already facing a “recruitment crisis.”

“If immigrants are prevented from entering this work force or are forced to leave the country by restrictive immigration policies and rhetoric,” she said, “we will face systems collapse and catastrophic consequences for millions of people who rely on these workers.”

There is a lot more in the article and I suggest you read all of it, as it's full of good information, as well as the price we will all pay if the felon continues to deport and scare hard working immigrants. Our immigration system needs to be improved, but this isn't the way to do it. Almost all of come from immigrant ancestors and the hatred and xenophobia is dangerous. Maybe the country needs to suffer greatly before more people will appreciate the contributions of poor immigrants. Right now, I doubt many want to come here as Trump is making the country a potentially dangerous autocracy. We are on a speeding train heading for a wreck, so hold on tight! And the fucking conservative Christians who were supposed to "love they neighbor as thyself" are largely to blame for this fucked up mess too. Hypocrites!

Spoken just like the typical southern plantation owner of the south circa 1820's.

We have to keep our cheap slave labor! We have to exploit everyone else. It is the only way we can live prosperous and enjoy all of life's pleasures. We don't want to do any work ourselves. Certainly not any real work. Get rid of that pig Trump who is decimating our slave labor!

To hell with beautiful people like us actually doing any work even at higher wages! After all, us indigenous folk want to do nothing but hide out in Wal Mart shopping for our deals! We want only college degrees and the do nothing jobs for ourselves. We must appear prestigious and proud in our social circles and tell everyone else how racist and unwoke they are. We do still realize practicalities that we must still eat though, so we will open our borders in someone else's state allowing "those" lower wage people to invade someone elses state for our pleasure. And we will give those lower wage people lodging, free driving license, and cells phones in our sanctuary cities as long as we can still gate ourselves far enough away from them. How dare that pig Trump destroy our manifest way of life! He is destroying our prestigious college educated way of life just like Abraham Lincoln destroyed the south!

 

[laughing dog]

So, what are you implying? That there was no economic effect on Obama's level of deportations, but twice that amount will cause economic disruption? Not sure about that.

Trump’s deportation plan, if carried out, is twice the size in half the time of Obama’s, so I would expect Trump’s plan to have a much more noticeable effect.

So, you're saying Obama's deportations did have a noticeable effect. Is there evidence for that somewhere? And where's the evidence that Trump's plan at twice the numbers would have a "much more" noticeable effect? How do you know its not three or four times before getting that "much more" noticeable effect?

I don’t know anything about the possible effect of Trump’s deportation plan other than its promised size and speed,which is more than twice the deportations in half the time compared to Obama’s. I would think it is a reasonable forecast/expectation that its effect would be more noticeable than whatever effect Obama’s plan had. “More noticeable “ would encompass 3 or 4 times to most people.

The number of people employed in the US is around 130 million people. 8 million is roughly 6% of that. Even if only half of the deportees are employed, Trump’s plan means taking out 3% of the employed work force in 4 years. Are you seriously incapable of understanding why many people think might have noticeable effects on the economy (or specific sectors), or are you engaging in desperate Trump apologia?

 

[thebeave]

Anyone with at least an average IQ realized that deporting or substantially limiting new immigrants into the US would eventually have a negative impact on our economy, but the evidence is starting to become apparent. I will "gift" an article that goes into a lot of detail regarding this problem and hope others will find more sources regarding this issue.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/09/...e_code=1.2k4.7YJ8.dAbiyLZnNAHO&smid=url-share

Fearing roundups, many immigrants are staying home. Construction, agriculture, senior care and hospitality employers say labor shortages will worsen.

The railroad tracks that slice through downtown Freehold, N.J., used to be lined by dozens of men, waiting for work. Each morning, the men — day laborers, almost all from Latin America and undocumented — would be scooped up by local contractors in pickup trucks for jobs painting, landscaping, removing debris.

In recent weeks, the tracks have been desolate. On a gray February morning, a laborer named Mario, who came from Mexico two decades ago, said it was the quietest he could remember.

“Because of the president, we have a fear,” said Mario, 55, who agreed to be interviewed on the condition that only his first name would be used because he is undocumented. His two sons are also in the United States illegally; one works in paving, the other in home construction. “We are in difficult times,” he said.

This scene has been playing out on the streets of Freehold, on the farms of California’s Central Valley, in nursing homes in Arizona, in Georgia poultry plants and in Chicago restaurants.


Fear has gripped America’s undocumented workers. Many are staying home.

The impact is being felt not only in immigrant homes and communities, but also in the industries that rely on immigrants as a source of willing and inexpensive labor, including residential construction, agriculture, senior care and hospitality. American consumers will soon feel the pain.

“Businesses across industries know what comes next when their work force disappears — restaurants, coffee shops and grocery stores struggling to stay open, food prices soaring, and everyday Americans demanding action,” said Rebecca Shi, chief executive of the American Business Immigration Coalition.

An estimated 20 percent of the U.S. labor force is foreign born, and millions of immigrant workers lack legal immigration status.Hundreds of thousands more have been shielded from deportation and have work permits under a program called temporary protected status, offered to nationals of countries in upheaval, which has enabled corporate giants like Amazon and large commercial builders to hire them. But Mr. Trump has already announced that he will phase out the program, starting with Venezuelan and Haitian beneficiaries.

Refugees from around the globe, who have settled in the United States after fleeing persecution, have supplied a steady pipeline of low-skilled labor for poultry plants, warehouses and manufacturing. But that pipeline could dry up since Mr. Trump shut down the U.S. refugee program. Last month, a federal judge restored it temporarily while a lawsuit is pending, but the program remains at a standstill and no refugees are arriving.

The White House did not respond to questions about the strategy of deportations and how the Trump administration envisions filling the gaps left behind by the immigrant work force.

Leaders of industries that are the most exposed warn that the impact will be widespread, with far-reaching consequences for consumers and employers.

Kezia Scales, vice president at PHI, a national research and advocacy organization focused on long-term care for older adults and people with disabilities, said her industry was already facing a “recruitment crisis.”

“If immigrants are prevented from entering this work force or are forced to leave the country by restrictive immigration policies and rhetoric,” she said, “we will face systems collapse and catastrophic consequences for millions of people who rely on these workers.”

There is a lot more in the article and I suggest you read all of it, as it's full of good information, as well as the price we will all pay if the felon continues to deport and scare hard working immigrants. Our immigration system needs to be improved, but this isn't the way to do it. Almost all of come from immigrant ancestors and the hatred and xenophobia is dangerous. Maybe the country needs to suffer greatly before more people will appreciate the contributions of poor immigrants. Right now, I doubt many want to come here as Trump is making the country a potentially dangerous autocracy. We are on a speeding train heading for a wreck, so hold on tight! And the fucking conservative Christians who were supposed to "love they neighbor as thyself" are largely to blame for this fucked up mess too. Hypocrites!

Spoken just like the typical southern plantation owner of the south circa 1820's.

We have to keep our cheap slave labor! We have to exploit everyone else. It is the only way we can live prosperous and enjoy all of life's pleasures. We don't want to do any work ourselves. Certainly not any real work. Get rid of that pig Trump who is decimating our slave labor!

To hell with beautiful people like us actually doing any work even at higher wages! After all, us indigenous folk want to do nothing but hide out in Wal Mart shopping for our deals! We want only college degrees and the do nothing jobs for ourselves. We must appear prestigious and proud in our social circles and tell everyone else how racist and unwoke they are. We do still realize practicalities that we must still eat though, so we will open our borders in someone else's state allowing "those" lower wage people to invade someone elses state for our pleasure. And we will give those lower wage people lodging, free driving license, and cells phones in our sanctuary cities as long as we can still gate ourselves far enough away from them. How dare that pig Trump destroy our manifest way of life! He is destroying our prestigious college educated way of life just like Abraham Lincoln destroyed the south!

Dude, you're being a little harsh on SH here. She is last person to be advocating for slavery. She has a good heart. I will admit though, that I have always found it a little skeevy, like you, when I hear arguments advocating for illigeal immigration. That is, white, well-to-do US citizens saying essentially, "we need to bring in these brown skinned people from other countries to do the backbreaking dirty work we whites don't like to do, like picking crops. Otherwise, our food prices will go up." It does sound remarkably like slavery, the key difference being slaves did not receive compensation for their work, except in the form of room and board. And given the crap wages that illegal immigrants get for picking crops and the high cost of food and housing, it wouldn't surprise me if at least some of the slaves didn't actually get a better deal.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Anyone with at least an average IQ realized that deporting or substantially limiting new immigrants into the US would eventually have a negative impact on our economy, but the evidence is starting to become apparent. I will "gift" an article that goes into a lot of detail regarding this problem and hope others will find more sources regarding this issue.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/09/...e_code=1.2k4.7YJ8.dAbiyLZnNAHO&smid=url-share

Fearing roundups, many immigrants are staying home. Construction, agriculture, senior care and hospitality employers say labor shortages will worsen.

The railroad tracks that slice through downtown Freehold, N.J., used to be lined by dozens of men, waiting for work. Each morning, the men — day laborers, almost all from Latin America and undocumented — would be scooped up by local contractors in pickup trucks for jobs painting, landscaping, removing debris.

In recent weeks, the tracks have been desolate. On a gray February morning, a laborer named Mario, who came from Mexico two decades ago, said it was the quietest he could remember.

“Because of the president, we have a fear,” said Mario, 55, who agreed to be interviewed on the condition that only his first name would be used because he is undocumented. His two sons are also in the United States illegally; one works in paving, the other in home construction. “We are in difficult times,” he said.

This scene has been playing out on the streets of Freehold, on the farms of California’s Central Valley, in nursing homes in Arizona, in Georgia poultry plants and in Chicago restaurants.


Fear has gripped America’s undocumented workers. Many are staying home.

The impact is being felt not only in immigrant homes and communities, but also in the industries that rely on immigrants as a source of willing and inexpensive labor, including residential construction, agriculture, senior care and hospitality. American consumers will soon feel the pain.

“Businesses across industries know what comes next when their work force disappears — restaurants, coffee shops and grocery stores struggling to stay open, food prices soaring, and everyday Americans demanding action,” said Rebecca Shi, chief executive of the American Business Immigration Coalition.

An estimated 20 percent of the U.S. labor force is foreign born, and millions of immigrant workers lack legal immigration status.Hundreds of thousands more have been shielded from deportation and have work permits under a program called temporary protected status, offered to nationals of countries in upheaval, which has enabled corporate giants like Amazon and large commercial builders to hire them. But Mr. Trump has already announced that he will phase out the program, starting with Venezuelan and Haitian beneficiaries.

Refugees from around the globe, who have settled in the United States after fleeing persecution, have supplied a steady pipeline of low-skilled labor for poultry plants, warehouses and manufacturing. But that pipeline could dry up since Mr. Trump shut down the U.S. refugee program. Last month, a federal judge restored it temporarily while a lawsuit is pending, but the program remains at a standstill and no refugees are arriving.

The White House did not respond to questions about the strategy of deportations and how the Trump administration envisions filling the gaps left behind by the immigrant work force.

Leaders of industries that are the most exposed warn that the impact will be widespread, with far-reaching consequences for consumers and employers.

Kezia Scales, vice president at PHI, a national research and advocacy organization focused on long-term care for older adults and people with disabilities, said her industry was already facing a “recruitment crisis.”

“If immigrants are prevented from entering this work force or are forced to leave the country by restrictive immigration policies and rhetoric,” she said, “we will face systems collapse and catastrophic consequences for millions of people who rely on these workers.”

There is a lot more in the article and I suggest you read all of it, as it's full of good information, as well as the price we will all pay if the felon continues to deport and scare hard working immigrants. Our immigration system needs to be improved, but this isn't the way to do it. Almost all of come from immigrant ancestors and the hatred and xenophobia is dangerous. Maybe the country needs to suffer greatly before more people will appreciate the contributions of poor immigrants. Right now, I doubt many want to come here as Trump is making the country a potentially dangerous autocracy. We are on a speeding train heading for a wreck, so hold on tight! And the fucking conservative Christians who were supposed to "love they neighbor as thyself" are largely to blame for this fucked up mess too. Hypocrites!

Did we see a huge negative impact on our economy due to mass deportations when Obama was in office? I don't recall such an economic impact, but maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention. Or maybe I don't have even an average IQ as the OP claims.

From back in 2017, during Trump's first term:

Obama Vs. Trump: Who Has Deported More Immigrants?

For a Democrat, Obama took a fairly tough stance, particularly early in his presidency, toward undocumented immigrants. In March 2014, Janet Murguía, president of the National Council on La Raza, a Latino advocacy group, called Obama "the deporter-in-chief."

It was a criticism that activists leveled at Obama throughout his presidency. From 2009 to 2016, his administration oversaw the forcible removal of more than 3 million undocumented immigrants—most of whom were sent back to Mexico. Neither Bill Clinton, nor George W. Bush, Obama's two predecessors, came close in reaching his tally over their two terms.

Mr Trump is talking about deportation levels more than double Obama's. If you had read your own link, you'd see that Trump is talking bout deporting 8 million people in 4 years while Obama deported around 3 million over 8 years.

Of course, Mr. Trump is prone to "exagerration".

So, what are you implying? That there was no economic effect on Obama's level of deportations, but twice that amount will cause economic disruption? Not sure about that.

Wasn't the economy trying to get out from the Great Recession then?

 

[laughing dog]

Will all the useless shit Americans buy will still be available for cheap? Hard to say.

All the useless shit Americans will spend more time working after the immigrants who leave those jobs cause a shortage of workers and higher wages. Then those useless shit Americans will be working instead of loitering in Wal Mart trying to be the first to bring home the cheapest crap that breaks down immediately and then clutters up their homes.

But how will this be bad for America? I'm not sure how more useless shit Americans working is bad.

It could be bad for America if causes a sufficiently large increase in the price of basic food stuffs.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Will all the useless shit Americans buy will still be available for cheap? Hard to say.

All the useless shit Americans will spend more time working after the immigrants who leave those jobs cause a shortage of workers and higher wages. Then those useless shit Americans will be working instead of loitering in Wal Mart trying to be the first to bring home the cheapest crap that breaks down immediately and then clutters up their homes.

But how will this be bad for America? I'm not sure how more useless shit Americans working is bad.

Methinks you misinterpreted what I wrote.

Or maybe I wrote it poorly.

 

[southernhybrid]

Anyone with at least an average IQ realized that deporting or substantially limiting new immigrants into the US would eventually have a negative impact on our economy, but the evidence is starting to become apparent. I will "gift" an article that goes into a lot of detail regarding this problem and hope others will find more sources regarding this issue.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/09/...e_code=1.2k4.7YJ8.dAbiyLZnNAHO&smid=url-share

Fearing roundups, many immigrants are staying home. Construction, agriculture, senior care and hospitality employers say labor shortages will worsen.

The railroad tracks that slice through downtown Freehold, N.J., used to be lined by dozens of men, waiting for work. Each morning, the men — day laborers, almost all from Latin America and undocumented — would be scooped up by local contractors in pickup trucks for jobs painting, landscaping, removing debris.

In recent weeks, the tracks have been desolate. On a gray February morning, a laborer named Mario, who came from Mexico two decades ago, said it was the quietest he could remember.

“Because of the president, we have a fear,” said Mario, 55, who agreed to be interviewed on the condition that only his first name would be used because he is undocumented. His two sons are also in the United States illegally; one works in paving, the other in home construction. “We are in difficult times,” he said.

This scene has been playing out on the streets of Freehold, on the farms of California’s Central Valley, in nursing homes in Arizona, in Georgia poultry plants and in Chicago restaurants.


Fear has gripped America’s undocumented workers. Many are staying home.

The impact is being felt not only in immigrant homes and communities, but also in the industries that rely on immigrants as a source of willing and inexpensive labor, including residential construction, agriculture, senior care and hospitality. American consumers will soon feel the pain.

“Businesses across industries know what comes next when their work force disappears — restaurants, coffee shops and grocery stores struggling to stay open, food prices soaring, and everyday Americans demanding action,” said Rebecca Shi, chief executive of the American Business Immigration Coalition.

An estimated 20 percent of the U.S. labor force is foreign born, and millions of immigrant workers lack legal immigration status.Hundreds of thousands more have been shielded from deportation and have work permits under a program called temporary protected status, offered to nationals of countries in upheaval, which has enabled corporate giants like Amazon and large commercial builders to hire them. But Mr. Trump has already announced that he will phase out the program, starting with Venezuelan and Haitian beneficiaries.

Refugees from around the globe, who have settled in the United States after fleeing persecution, have supplied a steady pipeline of low-skilled labor for poultry plants, warehouses and manufacturing. But that pipeline could dry up since Mr. Trump shut down the U.S. refugee program. Last month, a federal judge restored it temporarily while a lawsuit is pending, but the program remains at a standstill and no refugees are arriving.

The White House did not respond to questions about the strategy of deportations and how the Trump administration envisions filling the gaps left behind by the immigrant work force.

Leaders of industries that are the most exposed warn that the impact will be widespread, with far-reaching consequences for consumers and employers.

Kezia Scales, vice president at PHI, a national research and advocacy organization focused on long-term care for older adults and people with disabilities, said her industry was already facing a “recruitment crisis.”

“If immigrants are prevented from entering this work force or are forced to leave the country by restrictive immigration policies and rhetoric,” she said, “we will face systems collapse and catastrophic consequences for millions of people who rely on these workers.”

There is a lot more in the article and I suggest you read all of it, as it's full of good information, as well as the price we will all pay if the felon continues to deport and scare hard working immigrants. Our immigration system needs to be improved, but this isn't the way to do it. Almost all of come from immigrant ancestors and the hatred and xenophobia is dangerous. Maybe the country needs to suffer greatly before more people will appreciate the contributions of poor immigrants. Right now, I doubt many want to come here as Trump is making the country a potentially dangerous autocracy. We are on a speeding train heading for a wreck, so hold on tight! And the fucking conservative Christians who were supposed to "love they neighbor as thyself" are largely to blame for this fucked up mess too. Hypocrites!

Spoken just like the typical southern plantation owner of the south circa 1820's.

We have to keep our cheap slave labor! We have to exploit everyone else. It is the only way we can live prosperous and enjoy all of life's pleasures. We don't want to do any work ourselves. Certainly not any real work. Get rid of that pig Trump who is decimating our slave labor!

To hell with beautiful people like us actually doing any work even at higher wages! After all, us indigenous folk want to do nothing but hide out in Wal Mart shopping for our deals! We want only college degrees and the do nothing jobs for ourselves. We must appear prestigious and proud in our social circles and tell everyone else how racist and unwoke they are. We do still realize practicalities that we must still eat though, so we will open our borders in someone else's state allowing "those" lower wage people to invade someone elses state for our pleasure. And we will give those lower wage people lodging, free driving license, and cells phones in our sanctuary cities as long as we can still gate ourselves far enough away from them. How dare that pig Trump destroy our manifest way of life! He is destroying our prestigious college educated way of life just like Abraham Lincoln destroyed the south!

Did you bother to read the three more recent links that I posted that explained how past deportations hurt the economy and hurt US workers? I doubt it.

Yeah, as a middle class retired RN who primarily cared and advocated for the poor for 42 years, I'm exactly like a plantation owner. /s

Those of us who support the immigrants want them to have higher wages and more benefits, so your assumptions are quite ignorant.

Do you remember when it was discovered that Trump had a lot of undocumented immigrants working in at least one of his mansions? Trump and company are such hypocrites. They are the ones who enjoy exploiting the poor, including poor immigrants. Plus, not all immigrants make low salaries. In NJ, most nursing home aides are or were unionized. They made almost as much money as the nurses, before the nurses became unionized. At least that is the way it was when I was living in NJ, and I assume it's probably similar these days. One of the two best aides I ever worked with were immigrants, one from Mexico and one from Haiti. You have no idea what you're talking about, and I doubt you will research this issue more, something that I almost always do when someone makes a claim. Read some statistics. Getting rid of immigrants isn't going to make jobs better for American citizens.

 

[Axulus]

Will all the useless shit Americans buy will still be available for cheap? Hard to say.

All the useless shit Americans will spend more time working after the immigrants who leave those jobs cause a shortage of workers and higher wages. Then those useless shit Americans will be working instead of loitering in Wal Mart trying to be the first to bring home the cheapest crap that breaks down immediately and then clutters up their homes.

But how will this be bad for America? I'm not sure how more useless shit Americans working is bad.

Nothing says "Make America Great Again" than kicking out all the brown people so that our children can grow up to be vegetable pickers at the farms.

Also, there is zero evidence that more Americans will have jobs if we kick out all the immigrants. Prices will incease and demand for goods/services will fall (due to the lower population) which means jobs will be lost in other areas.

Unemployment was already at or near the natural rate of unemployment when Trump assumed office. Just bacause Trump is in office doesn't mean the laws of economics no longer apply.

 

[Axulus]

Anyone with at least an average IQ realized that deporting or substantially limiting new immigrants into the US would eventually have a negative impact on our economy, but the evidence is starting to become apparent. I will "gift" an article that goes into a lot of detail regarding this problem and hope others will find more sources regarding this issue.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/09/...e_code=1.2k4.7YJ8.dAbiyLZnNAHO&smid=url-share

Fearing roundups, many immigrants are staying home. Construction, agriculture, senior care and hospitality employers say labor shortages will worsen.

The railroad tracks that slice through downtown Freehold, N.J., used to be lined by dozens of men, waiting for work. Each morning, the men — day laborers, almost all from Latin America and undocumented — would be scooped up by local contractors in pickup trucks for jobs painting, landscaping, removing debris.

In recent weeks, the tracks have been desolate. On a gray February morning, a laborer named Mario, who came from Mexico two decades ago, said it was the quietest he could remember.

“Because of the president, we have a fear,” said Mario, 55, who agreed to be interviewed on the condition that only his first name would be used because he is undocumented. His two sons are also in the United States illegally; one works in paving, the other in home construction. “We are in difficult times,” he said.

This scene has been playing out on the streets of Freehold, on the farms of California’s Central Valley, in nursing homes in Arizona, in Georgia poultry plants and in Chicago restaurants.


Fear has gripped America’s undocumented workers. Many are staying home.

The impact is being felt not only in immigrant homes and communities, but also in the industries that rely on immigrants as a source of willing and inexpensive labor, including residential construction, agriculture, senior care and hospitality. American consumers will soon feel the pain.

“Businesses across industries know what comes next when their work force disappears — restaurants, coffee shops and grocery stores struggling to stay open, food prices soaring, and everyday Americans demanding action,” said Rebecca Shi, chief executive of the American Business Immigration Coalition.

An estimated 20 percent of the U.S. labor force is foreign born, and millions of immigrant workers lack legal immigration status.Hundreds of thousands more have been shielded from deportation and have work permits under a program called temporary protected status, offered to nationals of countries in upheaval, which has enabled corporate giants like Amazon and large commercial builders to hire them. But Mr. Trump has already announced that he will phase out the program, starting with Venezuelan and Haitian beneficiaries.

Refugees from around the globe, who have settled in the United States after fleeing persecution, have supplied a steady pipeline of low-skilled labor for poultry plants, warehouses and manufacturing. But that pipeline could dry up since Mr. Trump shut down the U.S. refugee program. Last month, a federal judge restored it temporarily while a lawsuit is pending, but the program remains at a standstill and no refugees are arriving.

The White House did not respond to questions about the strategy of deportations and how the Trump administration envisions filling the gaps left behind by the immigrant work force.

Leaders of industries that are the most exposed warn that the impact will be widespread, with far-reaching consequences for consumers and employers.

Kezia Scales, vice president at PHI, a national research and advocacy organization focused on long-term care for older adults and people with disabilities, said her industry was already facing a “recruitment crisis.”

“If immigrants are prevented from entering this work force or are forced to leave the country by restrictive immigration policies and rhetoric,” she said, “we will face systems collapse and catastrophic consequences for millions of people who rely on these workers.”

There is a lot more in the article and I suggest you read all of it, as it's full of good information, as well as the price we will all pay if the felon continues to deport and scare hard working immigrants. Our immigration system needs to be improved, but this isn't the way to do it. Almost all of come from immigrant ancestors and the hatred and xenophobia is dangerous. Maybe the country needs to suffer greatly before more people will appreciate the contributions of poor immigrants. Right now, I doubt many want to come here as Trump is making the country a potentially dangerous autocracy. We are on a speeding train heading for a wreck, so hold on tight! And the fucking conservative Christians who were supposed to "love they neighbor as thyself" are largely to blame for this fucked up mess too. Hypocrites!

Spoken just like the typical southern plantation owner of the south circa 1820's.

We have to keep our cheap slave labor! We have to exploit everyone else. It is the only way we can live prosperous and enjoy all of life's pleasures. We don't want to do any work ourselves. Certainly not any real work. Get rid of that pig Trump who is decimating our slave labor!

To hell with beautiful people like us actually doing any work even at higher wages! After all, us indigenous folk want to do nothing but hide out in Wal Mart shopping for our deals! We want only college degrees and the do nothing jobs for ourselves. We must appear prestigious and proud in our social circles and tell everyone else how racist and unwoke they are. We do still realize practicalities that we must still eat though, so we will open our borders in someone else's state allowing "those" lower wage people to invade someone elses state for our pleasure. And we will give those lower wage people lodging, free driving license, and cells phones in our sanctuary cities as long as we can still gate ourselves far enough away from them. How dare that pig Trump destroy our manifest way of life! He is destroying our prestigious college educated way of life just like Abraham Lincoln destroyed the south!

Dude, you're being a little harsh on SH here. She is last person to be advocating for slavery. She has a good heart. I will admit though, that I have always found it a little skeevy, like you, when I hear arguments advocating for illigeal immigration. That is, white, well-to-do US citizens saying essentially, "we need to bring in these brown skinned people from other countries to do the backbreaking dirty work we whites don't like to do, like picking crops. Otherwise, our food prices will go up." It does sound remarkably like slavery, the key difference being slaves did not receive compensation for their work, except in the form of room and board. And given the crap wages that illegal immigrants get for picking crops and the high cost of food and housing, it wouldn't surprise me if at least some of the slaves didn't actually get a better dea

Anyone with at least an average IQ realized that deporting or substantially limiting new immigrants into the US would eventually have a negative impact on our economy, but the evidence is starting to become apparent. I will "gift" an article that goes into a lot of detail regarding this problem and hope others will find more sources regarding this issue.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/09/...e_code=1.2k4.7YJ8.dAbiyLZnNAHO&smid=url-share

Fearing roundups, many immigrants are staying home. Construction, agriculture, senior care and hospitality employers say labor shortages will worsen.

The railroad tracks that slice through downtown Freehold, N.J., used to be lined by dozens of men, waiting for work. Each morning, the men — day laborers, almost all from Latin America and undocumented — would be scooped up by local contractors in pickup trucks for jobs painting, landscaping, removing debris.

In recent weeks, the tracks have been desolate. On a gray February morning, a laborer named Mario, who came from Mexico two decades ago, said it was the quietest he could remember.

“Because of the president, we have a fear,” said Mario, 55, who agreed to be interviewed on the condition that only his first name would be used because he is undocumented. His two sons are also in the United States illegally; one works in paving, the other in home construction. “We are in difficult times,” he said.

This scene has been playing out on the streets of Freehold, on the farms of California’s Central Valley, in nursing homes in Arizona, in Georgia poultry plants and in Chicago restaurants.


Fear has gripped America’s undocumented workers. Many are staying home.

The impact is being felt not only in immigrant homes and communities, but also in the industries that rely on immigrants as a source of willing and inexpensive labor, including residential construction, agriculture, senior care and hospitality. American consumers will soon feel the pain.

“Businesses across industries know what comes next when their work force disappears — restaurants, coffee shops and grocery stores struggling to stay open, food prices soaring, and everyday Americans demanding action,” said Rebecca Shi, chief executive of the American Business Immigration Coalition.

An estimated 20 percent of the U.S. labor force is foreign born, and millions of immigrant workers lack legal immigration status.Hundreds of thousands more have been shielded from deportation and have work permits under a program called temporary protected status, offered to nationals of countries in upheaval, which has enabled corporate giants like Amazon and large commercial builders to hire them. But Mr. Trump has already announced that he will phase out the program, starting with Venezuelan and Haitian beneficiaries.

Refugees from around the globe, who have settled in the United States after fleeing persecution, have supplied a steady pipeline of low-skilled labor for poultry plants, warehouses and manufacturing. But that pipeline could dry up since Mr. Trump shut down the U.S. refugee program. Last month, a federal judge restored it temporarily while a lawsuit is pending, but the program remains at a standstill and no refugees are arriving.

The White House did not respond to questions about the strategy of deportations and how the Trump administration envisions filling the gaps left behind by the immigrant work force.

Leaders of industries that are the most exposed warn that the impact will be widespread, with far-reaching consequences for consumers and employers.

Kezia Scales, vice president at PHI, a national research and advocacy organization focused on long-term care for older adults and people with disabilities, said her industry was already facing a “recruitment crisis.”

“If immigrants are prevented from entering this work force or are forced to leave the country by restrictive immigration policies and rhetoric,” she said, “we will face systems collapse and catastrophic consequences for millions of people who rely on these workers.”

There is a lot more in the article and I suggest you read all of it, as it's full of good information, as well as the price we will all pay if the felon continues to deport and scare hard working immigrants. Our immigration system needs to be improved, but this isn't the way to do it. Almost all of come from immigrant ancestors and the hatred and xenophobia is dangerous. Maybe the country needs to suffer greatly before more people will appreciate the contributions of poor immigrants. Right now, I doubt many want to come here as Trump is making the country a potentially dangerous autocracy. We are on a speeding train heading for a wreck, so hold on tight! And the fucking conservative Christians who were supposed to "love they neighbor as thyself" are largely to blame for this fucked up mess too. Hypocrites!

Spoken just like the typical southern plantation owner of the south circa 1820's.

We have to keep our cheap slave labor! We have to exploit everyone else. It is the only way we can live prosperous and enjoy all of life's pleasures. We don't want to do any work ourselves. Certainly not any real work. Get rid of that pig Trump who is decimating our slave labor!

To hell with beautiful people like us actually doing any work even at higher wages! After all, us indigenous folk want to do nothing but hide out in Wal Mart shopping for our deals! We want only college degrees and the do nothing jobs for ourselves. We must appear prestigious and proud in our social circles and tell everyone else how racist and unwoke they are. We do still realize practicalities that we must still eat though, so we will open our borders in someone else's state allowing "those" lower wage people to invade someone elses state for our pleasure. And we will give those lower wage people lodging, free driving license, and cells phones in our sanctuary cities as long as we can still gate ourselves far enough away from them. How dare that pig Trump destroy our manifest way of life! He is destroying our prestigious college educated way of life just like Abraham Lincoln destroyed the south!

Dude, you're being a little harsh on SH here. She is last person to be advocating for slavery. She has a good heart. I will admit though, that I have always found it a little skeevy, like you, when I hear arguments advocating for illigeal immigration. That is, white, well-to-do US citizens saying essentially, "we need to bring in these brown skinned people from other countries to do the backbreaking dirty work we whites don't like to do, like picking crops. Otherwise, our food prices will go up." It does sound remarkably like slavery, the key difference being slaves did not receive compensation for their work, except in the form of room and board. And given the crap wages that illegal immigrants get for picking crops and the high cost of food and housing, it wouldn't surprise me if at least some of the slaves didn't actually get a better deal.

If they want to come here to work, there is no good reason to make it illegal. And no, market wages in a mutually consenting arrangement are not akin to slavery. Did you get that from Das Kapital?

 

[bilby]

The above link does discuss the negative impact of deporting large number of unauthorized immigrants in the past as well as in the future, so of course it's not just what Trump is trying to do, but his plans at least to me, are more chaotic, and cruel.

This is also the reason why they are more damaging to the economy.

Past deportations sucked for the deportees and their employers; Current deportations suck for all latinos, legal or not, and therfore for all of their employers.

The deportations are less impactful than the fear. And in a chaotic system, fear is warranted, even if you are not officially a target.

 

[RVonse]

Will all the useless shit Americans buy will still be available for cheap? Hard to say.

All the useless shit Americans will spend more time working after the immigrants who leave those jobs cause a shortage of workers and higher wages. Then those useless shit Americans will be working instead of loitering in Wal Mart trying to be the first to bring home the cheapest crap that breaks down immediately and then clutters up their homes.

But how will this be bad for America? I'm not sure how more useless shit Americans working is bad.

Nothing says "Make America Great Again" than kicking out all the brown people so that our children can grow up to be vegetable pickers at the farms.

Also, there is zero evidence that more Americans will have jobs if we kick out all the immigrants. Prices will incease and demand for goods/services will fall (due to the lower population) which means jobs will be lost in other areas.

Unemployment was already at or near the natural rate of unemployment when Trump assumed office. Just bacause Trump is in office doesn't mean the laws of economics no longer apply.

Without the slave labor immigrants the vegetables will either get picked by automation or high(er) paid labor. That is the right way to do this. It is the moral way to do this.

If the college educated neck tie wearing liberals want their do nothing jobs and still eat cheap vegetables, they need to find another scam.

 

[bilby]

Without the slave labor immigrants the vegetables will either get picked by automation or high(er) paid labor.

Not likely. They will just get grown elsewhere, where labour is still cheap; Or not be grown at all, because they have become too expensive for most of the current customers to buy them.

 

[RVonse]

Anyone with at least an average IQ realized that deporting or substantially limiting new immigrants into the US would eventually have a negative impact on our economy, but the evidence is starting to become apparent. I will "gift" an article that goes into a lot of detail regarding this problem and hope others will find more sources regarding this issue.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/09/...e_code=1.2k4.7YJ8.dAbiyLZnNAHO&smid=url-share

Fearing roundups, many immigrants are staying home. Construction, agriculture, senior care and hospitality employers say labor shortages will worsen.

The railroad tracks that slice through downtown Freehold, N.J., used to be lined by dozens of men, waiting for work. Each morning, the men — day laborers, almost all from Latin America and undocumented — would be scooped up by local contractors in pickup trucks for jobs painting, landscaping, removing debris.

In recent weeks, the tracks have been desolate. On a gray February morning, a laborer named Mario, who came from Mexico two decades ago, said it was the quietest he could remember.

“Because of the president, we have a fear,” said Mario, 55, who agreed to be interviewed on the condition that only his first name would be used because he is undocumented. His two sons are also in the United States illegally; one works in paving, the other in home construction. “We are in difficult times,” he said.

This scene has been playing out on the streets of Freehold, on the farms of California’s Central Valley, in nursing homes in Arizona, in Georgia poultry plants and in Chicago restaurants.


Fear has gripped America’s undocumented workers. Many are staying home.

The impact is being felt not only in immigrant homes and communities, but also in the industries that rely on immigrants as a source of willing and inexpensive labor, including residential construction, agriculture, senior care and hospitality. American consumers will soon feel the pain.

“Businesses across industries know what comes next when their work force disappears — restaurants, coffee shops and grocery stores struggling to stay open, food prices soaring, and everyday Americans demanding action,” said Rebecca Shi, chief executive of the American Business Immigration Coalition.

An estimated 20 percent of the U.S. labor force is foreign born, and millions of immigrant workers lack legal immigration status.Hundreds of thousands more have been shielded from deportation and have work permits under a program called temporary protected status, offered to nationals of countries in upheaval, which has enabled corporate giants like Amazon and large commercial builders to hire them. But Mr. Trump has already announced that he will phase out the program, starting with Venezuelan and Haitian beneficiaries.

Refugees from around the globe, who have settled in the United States after fleeing persecution, have supplied a steady pipeline of low-skilled labor for poultry plants, warehouses and manufacturing. But that pipeline could dry up since Mr. Trump shut down the U.S. refugee program. Last month, a federal judge restored it temporarily while a lawsuit is pending, but the program remains at a standstill and no refugees are arriving.

The White House did not respond to questions about the strategy of deportations and how the Trump administration envisions filling the gaps left behind by the immigrant work force.

Leaders of industries that are the most exposed warn that the impact will be widespread, with far-reaching consequences for consumers and employers.

Kezia Scales, vice president at PHI, a national research and advocacy organization focused on long-term care for older adults and people with disabilities, said her industry was already facing a “recruitment crisis.”

“If immigrants are prevented from entering this work force or are forced to leave the country by restrictive immigration policies and rhetoric,” she said, “we will face systems collapse and catastrophic consequences for millions of people who rely on these workers.”

There is a lot more in the article and I suggest you read all of it, as it's full of good information, as well as the price we will all pay if the felon continues to deport and scare hard working immigrants. Our immigration system needs to be improved, but this isn't the way to do it. Almost all of come from immigrant ancestors and the hatred and xenophobia is dangerous. Maybe the country needs to suffer greatly before more people will appreciate the contributions of poor immigrants. Right now, I doubt many want to come here as Trump is making the country a potentially dangerous autocracy. We are on a speeding train heading for a wreck, so hold on tight! And the fucking conservative Christians who were supposed to "love they neighbor as thyself" are largely to blame for this fucked up mess too. Hypocrites!

Spoken just like the typical southern plantation owner of the south circa 1820's.

We have to keep our cheap slave labor! We have to exploit everyone else. It is the only way we can live prosperous and enjoy all of life's pleasures. We don't want to do any work ourselves. Certainly not any real work. Get rid of that pig Trump who is decimating our slave labor!

To hell with beautiful people like us actually doing any work even at higher wages! After all, us indigenous folk want to do nothing but hide out in Wal Mart shopping for our deals! We want only college degrees and the do nothing jobs for ourselves. We must appear prestigious and proud in our social circles and tell everyone else how racist and unwoke they are. We do still realize practicalities that we must still eat though, so we will open our borders in someone else's state allowing "those" lower wage people to invade someone elses state for our pleasure. And we will give those lower wage people lodging, free driving license, and cells phones in our sanctuary cities as long as we can still gate ourselves far enough away from them. How dare that pig Trump destroy our manifest way of life! He is destroying our prestigious college educated way of life just like Abraham Lincoln destroyed the south!

Dude, you're being a little harsh on SH here. She is last person to be advocating for slavery. She has a good heart. I will admit though, that I have always found it a little skeevy, like you, when I hear arguments advocating for illigeal immigration. That is, white, well-to-do US citizens saying essentially, "we need to bring in these brown skinned people from other countries to do the backbreaking dirty work we whites don't like to do, like picking crops. Otherwise, our food prices will go up." It does sound remarkably like slavery, the key difference being slaves did not receive compensation for their work, except in the form of room and board. And given the crap wages that illegal immigrants get for picking crops and the high cost of food and housing, it wouldn't surprise me if at least some of the slaves didn't actually get a better dea

Anyone with at least an average IQ realized that deporting or substantially limiting new immigrants into the US would eventually have a negative impact on our economy, but the evidence is starting to become apparent. I will "gift" an article that goes into a lot of detail regarding this problem and hope others will find more sources regarding this issue.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/09/...e_code=1.2k4.7YJ8.dAbiyLZnNAHO&smid=url-share

Fearing roundups, many immigrants are staying home. Construction, agriculture, senior care and hospitality employers say labor shortages will worsen.

The railroad tracks that slice through downtown Freehold, N.J., used to be lined by dozens of men, waiting for work. Each morning, the men — day laborers, almost all from Latin America and undocumented — would be scooped up by local contractors in pickup trucks for jobs painting, landscaping, removing debris.

In recent weeks, the tracks have been desolate. On a gray February morning, a laborer named Mario, who came from Mexico two decades ago, said it was the quietest he could remember.

“Because of the president, we have a fear,” said Mario, 55, who agreed to be interviewed on the condition that only his first name would be used because he is undocumented. His two sons are also in the United States illegally; one works in paving, the other in home construction. “We are in difficult times,” he said.

This scene has been playing out on the streets of Freehold, on the farms of California’s Central Valley, in nursing homes in Arizona, in Georgia poultry plants and in Chicago restaurants.


Fear has gripped America’s undocumented workers. Many are staying home.

The impact is being felt not only in immigrant homes and communities, but also in the industries that rely on immigrants as a source of willing and inexpensive labor, including residential construction, agriculture, senior care and hospitality. American consumers will soon feel the pain.

“Businesses across industries know what comes next when their work force disappears — restaurants, coffee shops and grocery stores struggling to stay open, food prices soaring, and everyday Americans demanding action,” said Rebecca Shi, chief executive of the American Business Immigration Coalition.

An estimated 20 percent of the U.S. labor force is foreign born, and millions of immigrant workers lack legal immigration status.Hundreds of thousands more have been shielded from deportation and have work permits under a program called temporary protected status, offered to nationals of countries in upheaval, which has enabled corporate giants like Amazon and large commercial builders to hire them. But Mr. Trump has already announced that he will phase out the program, starting with Venezuelan and Haitian beneficiaries.

Refugees from around the globe, who have settled in the United States after fleeing persecution, have supplied a steady pipeline of low-skilled labor for poultry plants, warehouses and manufacturing. But that pipeline could dry up since Mr. Trump shut down the U.S. refugee program. Last month, a federal judge restored it temporarily while a lawsuit is pending, but the program remains at a standstill and no refugees are arriving.

The White House did not respond to questions about the strategy of deportations and how the Trump administration envisions filling the gaps left behind by the immigrant work force.

Leaders of industries that are the most exposed warn that the impact will be widespread, with far-reaching consequences for consumers and employers.

Kezia Scales, vice president at PHI, a national research and advocacy organization focused on long-term care for older adults and people with disabilities, said her industry was already facing a “recruitment crisis.”

“If immigrants are prevented from entering this work force or are forced to leave the country by restrictive immigration policies and rhetoric,” she said, “we will face systems collapse and catastrophic consequences for millions of people who rely on these workers.”

There is a lot more in the article and I suggest you read all of it, as it's full of good information, as well as the price we will all pay if the felon continues to deport and scare hard working immigrants. Our immigration system needs to be improved, but this isn't the way to do it. Almost all of come from immigrant ancestors and the hatred and xenophobia is dangerous. Maybe the country needs to suffer greatly before more people will appreciate the contributions of poor immigrants. Right now, I doubt many want to come here as Trump is making the country a potentially dangerous autocracy. We are on a speeding train heading for a wreck, so hold on tight! And the fucking conservative Christians who were supposed to "love they neighbor as thyself" are largely to blame for this fucked up mess too. Hypocrites!

Spoken just like the typical southern plantation owner of the south circa 1820's.

We have to keep our cheap slave labor! We have to exploit everyone else. It is the only way we can live prosperous and enjoy all of life's pleasures. We don't want to do any work ourselves. Certainly not any real work. Get rid of that pig Trump who is decimating our slave labor!

To hell with beautiful people like us actually doing any work even at higher wages! After all, us indigenous folk want to do nothing but hide out in Wal Mart shopping for our deals! We want only college degrees and the do nothing jobs for ourselves. We must appear prestigious and proud in our social circles and tell everyone else how racist and unwoke they are. We do still realize practicalities that we must still eat though, so we will open our borders in someone else's state allowing "those" lower wage people to invade someone elses state for our pleasure. And we will give those lower wage people lodging, free driving license, and cells phones in our sanctuary cities as long as we can still gate ourselves far enough away from them. How dare that pig Trump destroy our manifest way of life! He is destroying our prestigious college educated way of life just like Abraham Lincoln destroyed the south!

Dude, you're being a little harsh on SH here. She is last person to be advocating for slavery. She has a good heart. I will admit though, that I have always found it a little skeevy, like you, when I hear arguments advocating for illigeal immigration. That is, white, well-to-do US citizens saying essentially, "we need to bring in these brown skinned people from other countries to do the backbreaking dirty work we whites don't like to do, like picking crops. Otherwise, our food prices will go up." It does sound remarkably like slavery, the key difference being slaves did not receive compensation for their work, except in the form of room and board. And given the crap wages that illegal immigrants get for picking crops and the high cost of food and housing, it wouldn't surprise me if at least some of the slaves didn't actually get a better deal.

If they want to come here to work, there is no good reason to make it illegal.

You are completely ignoring the obvious external taxpayer costs of housing and medical care for this same labor. You are no better than ExxonMobil wasting the environment (public cost) for the benefit of their private profits.

The reason we have immigration laws in the first place

 

[laughing dog]

You are completely ignoring the obvious external taxpayer costs of housing and medical care for this same labor.

If these immigrants are working legally, they are paying taxes. Do you have any evidence of the extent that taxpayers are footing the bill for housing of undocumented immigrants and their medical care? And do these studies account for the taxes on profits these immigrants generate for their employers and their landlords, and the additional property tax revenue?

I am unaware of any concrete comprehensive evidence that immigrants - legal or not - are a net drain on our economy. Most studies either deliberately ignore or are unable to account for most of the effects.

The reason we have immigration laws in the first place

The reason we have immigration laws in the first place is fear of outsiders.

 

[ZiprHead]

Will all the useless shit Americans buy will still be available for cheap? Hard to say.

All the useless shit Americans will spend more time working after the immigrants who leave those jobs cause a shortage of workers and higher wages. Then those useless shit Americans will be working instead of loitering in Wal Mart trying to be the first to bring home the cheapest crap that breaks down immediately and then clutters up their homes.

What if prices go up faster than wages? What if citizens will not do stoop labor for any price?

But how will this be bad for America? I'm not sure how more useless shit Americans working is bad.

@Bomb#20 You wanna take a stab at this?

 

[TSwizzle]

These activist groups never mention the cost associated with mass illegal entry into the USA.

 

[ZiprHead]

These activist groups never mention the cost associated with mass illegal entry into the USA.

What are those costs?

 

[Bomb#20]

@Bomb#20 You wanna take a stab at this?

Your wish is my command...

Methinks you misinterpreted what I wrote.

Or maybe I wrote it poorly.

Yes, RV misparsed CS and consequently posted an inapt counterargument. True, CS wrote it poorly, but I think the redundant "will" isn't enough to account for RV's misinterpretation -- it looks like RV read it in a rush and responded on autopilot.